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I didn't see you condemning the people who curb stomped innocent citizens in the yuen long attacks.
i clearly said i didn't know the events leading up to the video
i haven't spent all day scouring twitter/weibo/facebook whatever but the little i saw seemed like yuen long was a pretty blanket attack, i didn't recall the camera panning to a 12-on-1 bukkake
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what is the next step here after pleading and pleading some more? Without a clear leadership it will just be total chaos and anarchy like right now
As a black man, would you rather live in pre-apartheid south africa or post-aparthied south africa.
Yea ok.
Maybe you should ask the black people living there in squalor, lawlessness, ridiculous youth unemployment, highest inequality in the world. Etc. Etc.
I'm sure their answer wouldn't be quite as "black and white" as you'd think.
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Of course they know this
Then I guess they won't be surprised when China announces that the one country, two gov't system just isn't possible any longer, as its clear the HK gov't cannot run HK, and in sweeps the PLA to bring back peace, n order, and off to the re-education camps/prisons go the protesters
Cause that's the endgame especially with a growing, directionless, violent, mob
Maybe you should ask the black people living there in squalor, lawlessness, ridiculous youth unemployment, highest inequality in the world. Etc. Etc.
I'm sure their answer wouldn't be quite as "black and white" as you'd think.
Like they where living the high life during apartheid.
How much ammo you have stocked up for race wars? because we all know you own a bunch of guns.
I applaud you for continousluy presenting the true intent of the protest from the begining.
But this is no longer the same peaceful protest in the beginning. Just look at all the social media stuff post online on both mainland and honger side. Its an all out race war. All the derergatory racist terms used on both side of the fence. Some of the terms honger used were absolutely disgusting. Calling mainlander racist terms that was used in colonial and japanese occupational days. Even some of the banner used in protest has straight up racist slangs in both chinese and english.
You and some core group of protester might see this as an anti CCP protest. There is vast group of people that are using this as a chance to voice their general anguish toward the society, toward mainlanders and to stir shit in general.
This is just providing CCP with all the propganda they need to paint the protest in the worse light possible. The general public in China is definitely not on Hong Kong side. How can they can when there are image of protesters holding up sign calling they "china pig". A very derogative term used by japanese during the second world war. I mean I feel angry looking at these clearly chinese looking people holding up sign denouncing their race and history. And I fully support their cause and what they are fighting for.
I know Skinny you consider Hong Kong your home and I completely see why you and the other hong kong protester are trying to fight for here. But this is ripping all chinese apart collectively. Just look at people making asumption based on someone's accent and they way they look/dress. No mainlander would feel safe right now in HK unless they can speak perfect hk style cantonese. And I'm sorry people are still claiming the city is not in a anti-mainlander mode right now?
This protest HAS affect the daily life of all Honger at this point. Its now impossible to carry on living in the town and not be involve somehow. Trying to drive through a blockade to go home? Wait while the protestor vandalize your car. I think saying the ENTIRE city is behind is a gross exageration. The entire city is now drag into this, those that have the means to leave are leaving to wait it out or for good. There is no place in the city to have the opposite opioion or to just to simply remain neutral. Just because the voice of the anti-government folks are louder doesn't mean there aint other voice. Some people truly just wants to be left along. If this carries on for another month or two, there WILL be more and more local support for PLA to roll in and restore order. Not neccesary because they are pro-CCP, they just want peace.
Thats why I continous to question, what is the next step here after pleading and pleading some more? Without a clear leadership it will just be total chaos and anarchy like right now. People taking advantage of the chaos to further their own personal agenda.
Madness just complete madness.
You're right that some people are feeding the propaganda machine with hatred and racism. But don't fall for that exact propaganda. The vast, vast majority are in line with the same issues from the beginning, along with the ones that have been added (police brutality, inept government, collusion with triads). There are people on the fringe who are violent, racist, idiots. Yes, the propagandists are going to focus on those people, and Mainland chinese people are only going to be fed that crap, but you should know better.
I think you're just saying that they are a problem, and I agree. But to say no mainlander should feel safe in HK right now... you are just spewing hatred and propaganda right back into it. It's not like that at all.
At the same time, the China government is adding to the racist, by constantly trying to say that there's some western influence behind this movement. Every time they bring that up, they are basically saying they think Chinese people are too inept to have an effective political movement on their own. Maybe they really think that, I dunno... If people start doing it in huge numbers in the mainland, they might learn the hard way that Chinese people will start wanting freedom too once it gets to a certain point (and if they run out of money, as people are saying here, look out)
the China government is adding to the racist, by constantly trying to say that there's some western influence behind this movement. Every time they bring that up, they are basically saying they think Chinese people are too inept to have an effective political movement on their own. Maybe they really think that, I dunno... If people start doing it in huge numbers in the mainland, they might learn the hard way that Chinese people will start wanting freedom too once it gets to a certain point (and if they run out of money, as people are saying here, look out)
i agree it's baseless (like how Americans try to pin their domestic problems on the Kremlin) but how is it racist?
youre reading too much into it, i think in no way does this mean the CCP is suggesting HKers are spineless..dont forget there's a trade war ongoing so they need ammo to justify things
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i agree it's baseless (like how Americans try to pin their domestic problems on the Kremlin) but how is it racist?
youre reading too much into it, i think in no way does this mean the CCP is suggesting HKers are spineless..dont forget there's a trade war ongoing so they need ammo to justify things
They are basically saying the protests are too well run to be a grassroots operation by (ethnic) Chinese people. It's absolutely self-loathing and racist if you think about it for a second.
I do agree that the anti-US sentiment has been going strong for a while now, and getting worse. But to even suggest these things is just pathetic.
LOL apparently this store close door on Mon (or Tue) to show support for the protest in HK. And now all the mainland Chinese are avoiding and boycott this place. Can't really believe how thick headed these Chinese are but I will not go there more often just to show support!
I know some people here don't like hearing about the daily goings-on with this issue, but here's what happened this week.
Keith Fong, the leader of the Baptist University’s student union, was arrested on Tuesday, for "suspicious behaviour" it turned out that he was buying laser pointers in Sham Sui Po, which the police said were offensive weapons.
This of course caused outrage in the community... I know, laser pens CAN be dangerous. But so can hammers. And you can't just arrest someone for buying a laser pen or a hammer. People gathered around the SSP police department, and were tear gassed for their efforts.
The laser totally became a meme online, the idea being that they are harmless toys, and the 'weak spot' of the HKPF had been found. Like I said, they can be dangerous, but the way things are, hyperbole takes over.
I think the main issue is that the police arrested the guy, but could not come up with a proper reason why. There's no way they could possibly legitimately charge him.
So they did a press conference, showing how dangerous these things could be:
HKPF took the most powerful laser he bought (which had no batteries when they arrested them) and showed how deadly it could be. By pointing it at a newspaper (of course focusing on the black printing, which absorbs the heat - a trick any laser enthusiast knows about), showing it smouldering after a few minutes of focus.
This made even more of a mockery of the whole thing. HK people aren't blindly brainwashed morons. They saw through the charade, and it became an even bigger meme.
That night, some people rallied at the Space Museum in TST. There were hundreds of lasers, and it made for some amazing photography. People were shining them on each other, singing, dancing, and generally having a good time. I think this was a cathartic moment for a lot of HK protesters.
And then today, Fong was released after the maximum 48 hour detention. No charges (obviously), and the HKPF comes across once again looking completely inept.
It's moments like this that I think makes Beijing extremely confused and annoyed, that they can't get away with doing things the way they do in China.... If this was in China, they would have taken one of the perceived leaders (at least someone who helps organize), arrest him on whatever charge they feel like, and make it so he never sees the light of day again.
HK still has SOME rule of law that exists. And this week we saw a good example why the people of Hong Kong fought so hard to block the extradition bill.
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^^ that's just so stupid on so many levels. Teachers in high school, college/university prof use leaser pointers during lecture ALL THE TIME. SO I guess all these teacher/professors are using a weapon as well? Should they all be arrested then? Should the sales of all leaser pointers be ban?
What about cat owners buying leaser pointers to play with their cats as well (coz cat loves to chase leasers on a wall) should the owners be arrested too coz they are buying a toy for their cats? What about science world or all these science fair, Disneyland/concerts doing leaser shows, should all these place be fine and the CEO get lock up as well?
LOL HK police is getting dumber by the day. Next thing you know they will be arresting students for buying a ruler because it can be use weapon, arresting c-lais when they purchase feather duster becasue it can be use as a wespon. What about when people purchase umbrellas? Guess those people should be arrested too.
Next thing you know you will get a arrested when you buy an onion coz the smell can gas the HK police so it can be use as a weapon of mass destruction lol.
Yeah I know you're using hyperbole, and laser pointers CAN be dangerous, but I agree this comes across making the HKPF look so bad... Whoever is commanding them, I can't even imagine how clueless and out of touch they must be.
I am still blown away by how far they have fallen. They were actually a world-class police force in the 90's, something all countries in Asia looked up to. Now they are pretty much the laughing stock of the world, or flat out terrorists. Mindblowing
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Yeah I know you're using hyperbole, and laser pointers CAN be dangerous, but I agree this comes across making the HKPF look so bad... Whoever is commanding them, I can't even imagine how clueless and out of touch they must be.
I am still blown away by how far they have fallen. They were actually a world-class police force in the 90's, something all countries in Asia looked up to. Now they are pretty much the laughing stock of the world, or flat out terrorists. Mindblowing
See look how dangerous feather duster can be!!! HK should ban the sales of feather duster. I mean most of use have been beaten and whip by our parents with one of them when we were kids.
But yea pretty much anything you buy CAN be dangerous and be used as a weapon. HKPF is so stupid right now. If I was one I would not want to go out in public during my day off. I will be too embrassed.
Only just?
My mom's been wanting to go back for several weeks now, and I'm like no, no, we'll go during the autumn fest, now I'm like no, no, how about new years
Like they where living the high life during apartheid.
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Only just?
My mom's been wanting to go back for several weeks now, and I'm like no, no, we'll go during the autumn fest, now I'm like no, no, how about new years
That's what worry me. My parents are going back to HK in Sept for 2 weeks. I was a bit worry but now I am really worry. I mean they are pretty old and what if they get caught and got beat up by the white shirt thugs it got tear gas coz they happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if they above the protests area. Just look at what happen at the MTR.
Should be fine though, the other airport protests have been crowded, but for some reason police never seem to show up in large numbers to cause violence. This is the one place that they seem to be reluctant... (knock on wood)
Departure hall has been secured, they're only letting people with boarding passes enter even the check-in area. My wife's brother, sister, and dad are all flying out of there this weekend.. Should be fine though as long as the cops don't engage, just go a bit earlier.
Peaceful sit-in, they have brochures set up, and multi-lingual people to share the word with travellers
That's what worry me. My parents are going back to HK in Sept for 2 weeks. I was a bit worry but now I am really worry. I mean they are pretty old and what if they get caught and got beat up by the white shirt thugs it got tear gas coz they happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if they above the protests area. Just look at what happen at the MTR.
Keep an eye on this info, so you know where the protests will be. The ad hoc ones only really happen at night, when the police do something stupid (like when they stripped a girl's skirt and her panties came off, or when they arrested Keith Fong for buying laser pens)
Just avoid those areas at those times, keep an eye on the news, and it should be fine.
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Should be fine though as long as the cops don't engage, just go a bit earlier.
