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Not trolling. Just funny cause he became famous as Mr. shotgun cop.
He is an officer and because of his ranking, he was allowed to have access to a shotgun. I can't imagine what would happen if he did fire any shots.
Of course, he's clearly aiming in this, what was before or after...
well hong kong hasn't even pulled the curfew card yet, if the hong kong police really wanted to clamp down on the riots I am pretty sure they are more than capable
If things escalate, one of the next steps will be to shut down the MTR.
It seems to me that Beijing is taking a page out of Russia's playbook in order to suppress resistance to the Hong Kong government by using any means of force necessary.
Perhaps the Winnie the Pooh President Xi and the commie cronies are thinking "Hey, if Russia can annex Crimea with force, we can use force to suppress the protests in Hong Kong. Taiwan can also be taken by military force to rejoin the motherland"
-take a cue from Russia?
Any thoughts on the potential in the long term for China to invade Taiwan? Would the commies risk a confrontation with the US?
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Is this actually confirmed? It was literally a blurry pic of an excel spreadsheet.
I was watching it live. Yes it is confirmed. Basically this global times reporter, which is basically a beijing ccp mouthpiece, decides to go to the airport carrying a blue I love HK police t shirt in his backpack to do god knows what. He was found randomly taking headshot pictures of protesters and when confronted he ran. When they asked him whether he was the press, he refused to reply at first then subsequently said he was just a tourist. When they asked where he got the reflective press vest, he said it wasnt his and someone gave it to him.
So he apparently got his blue tshirt after covering the pro-police events from the past week or so. Why he decided it was a good idea to bring it into the airport while trying to take pictures of protesters, ill leave it to you to connect the dots.
People cant wear blue shirts now, what is this a colour revolution?
Why yes it is... No American flags being displayed yet? If John McCain were alive he'd make an appearance and they would love him for it despite that he once bombed asians in their homes.
It's fine to wear blue, just it should not have wordings saying "I love Hong Kong" or "I love Police" It represents the side of your political view nowaday.
Cop was cornered and beaten in the airport, he had to draw his gun, they're so lucky the cop was restrained, anywhere else there'd be bodies on the ground
Cop tries to take down a women just tryna walk away.
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He broke formation to go after a woman who was just standing there... Again, we're lucky he didn't kill someone. He's probably been a cop for like a year.
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Yeah I saw that afterwards, but it in no way condones what happened to him
We don't know why he picked her out st random seemingly, there were people a lot closer, he could have pulled down, but he went straight for her, so there must be a reason, the crowds response was just insane, they could have killed him with those blows to his head, even with his helmet
TL/DR: Employees at 13 public hospitals will be conducting a strike/sit in/demonstrations during their breaks and lunch hours to condemn the HK Police violence.
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You haven't been paying attention, have you?
You're too biased and anti govt skinny
If he wanted to just wreak havoc hed more likely go for the closest person to him, or even shoot the guy who took his baton and began smashing his head
You're too biased and anti govt skinny
If he wanted to just wreak havoc hed more likely go for the closest person to him, or even shoot the guy who took his baton and began smashing his head
Unless there's something else I missed?
Nobody is arguing against subduing and arresting people who are breaking the law. We've seen many cases of that, and as long as they are treated humanely, nobody would bat an eyelash.
The problem is all the cases of cops just going out of their way and beating the shit out of people. There are literally 5 HK cops who just went to prison for doing it. Whether she committed a crime or not, who knows. But we've seen many times already, cops breaking formation, chasing down random people (usually slow people, often innocent bystanders, often women) and just beating them, and walking away. No arrests, just gang beatings.
I'm not saying that's what this cop was doing - in fact he appeared to be showing restraint after he knocked her to the ground. My guess is he was chasing after someone else, knocked into her, and his brain went into face-saving mode, arresting her instead. He was already out of position, something a cop should never EVER do in this situation, but that's beside the point.
When the UN is calling out your police, Amnesty International is calling out your police... It does NOT mean you are "anti government" to call out the police. I am NOT anti-government. I am NOT anti-police. I am anti-violence. I am anti-tyranny. I am anti-injustice. If you want to argue on these points (people here have tried and failed) go ahead, but please don't try to call out bias where none exists. I am really disappointed when I see "fuck the police" and other dehumanizing things. The fact is, the police are out of control, or being controlled by a malicious commander. That's all I've ever said. Don't fuck the police, fuck whoever is influencing them. Don't fuck the protesters, fuck whoever is influencing them.
They are really starting to fight back. Usually, they would run away when hkpd shoot beanbags at them.
I've been keeping a close eye on them. I wonder what's going to happen next.
He broke formation to go after a woman who was just standing there... Again, we're lucky he didn't kill someone. He's probably been a cop for like a year.
And you wonder why you were called out for being biased? I think the best explanation I found was that he was going for the male that was flashing him with lights, right at the beginning of the video, and he may have accidentally charged into the girl. (which you have noted in a later post as a possibility)
Even if he was indeed going after her, this officer was way more gentler than the other cases we've seen (ie the lady that was actually shoved onto the street).
We're lucky he didn't kill anyone? Did you miss the part where the male had him by this throat with one hand, took his baton, and started beating him with it? Why are we lucky? Was there any indication he was absolutely one thought away from pulling that trigger? Or just because we've seen many cases of police using excessive violence, so this one must be too?
I wholly respect you for being anti-tyranny, anti-violence, and anti-racism (no discrimination towards mainlander Chinese). But even if you aren't biased, a majority of the videos or pictures you posted makes it seem like you are. A whole bunch of them are all calling out the police and the mainland government (and deservedly so), but yet you rarely post some of the stuff SOME of the protesters, vigilante, or even regular citizens are doing, or you play it down, suggest it's not the real protesters, or just make a passing comment.
The fact is, in my opinion, the police, the protesters, are influenced, controlled, lost, improperly trained, unprepared, disorganized, not thinking with their heads anymore, all these things. Maybe only a major event can bring this all to an end.
Maybe the government should've axed the bill for real (instead of play on words), or maybe the protesters should've just taken what was offered. But it looks like it's too late for that now.
I don't know if it's scare tactic, by I feel fear when I see those army trucks. For my family and friends and people living in HK, I hope I would never see the day that those trucks cross over the border into HK.
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Genuinely asking, albeit ignorant at this point. Is there anything inherently wrong about this bill? Or it’s because it’s China passing it, hence it becoming such a big deal?
And you wonder why you were called out for being biased? I think the best explanation I found was that he was going for the male that was flashing him with lights, right at the beginning of the video, and he may have accidentally charged into the girl. (which you have noted in a later post as a possibility)
Even if he was indeed going after her, this officer was way more gentler than the other cases we've seen (ie the lady that was actually shoved onto the street).
We're lucky he didn't kill anyone? Did you miss the part where the male had him by this throat with one hand, took his baton, and started beating him with it? Why are we lucky? Was there any indication he was absolutely one thought away from pulling that trigger? Or just because we've seen many cases of police using excessive violence, so this one must be too?
I wholly respect you for being anti-tyranny, anti-violence, and anti-racism (no discrimination towards mainlander Chinese). But even if you aren't biased, a majority of the videos or pictures you posted makes it seem like you are. A whole bunch of them are all calling out the police and the mainland government (and deservedly so), but yet you rarely post some of the stuff SOME of the protesters, vigilante, or even regular citizens are doing, or you play it down, suggest it's not the real protesters, or just make a passing comment.
The fact is, in my opinion, the police, the protesters, are influenced, controlled, lost, improperly trained, unprepared, disorganized, not thinking with their heads anymore, all these things. Maybe only a major event can bring this all to an end.
Maybe the government should've axed the bill for real (instead of play on words), or maybe the protesters should've just taken what was offered. But it looks like it's too late for that now.
I don't know if it's scare tactic, by I feel fear when I see those army trucks. For my family and friends and people living in HK, I hope I would never see the day that those trucks cross over the border into HK.
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Genuinely asking, albeit ignorant at this point. Is there anything inherently wrong about this bill? Or it’s because it’s China passing it, hence it becoming such a big deal?
You're repeating the things I said, then say I have a bias? Looking at your post, I think you're actually agreeing with most of what I've been saying here.
But yes I think we're lucky he didn't kill anyone.. You seriously disagree with that? You think it would be fortunate if a cop got mobbed and killed someone? That officer showed amazing restraint, being mobbed (though I contend that he should not have put himself in that position) and fortunately nobody really got hurt. (I think it's possible that his gun isn't even loaded) Again I am not excusing the mob, but mobs are formed this way... People lose their minds when they've been pressured for months. Cops have been doing this for weeks on end, and the mob is coming to a breaking point. And I am pretty sure that has been the goal from the first day.
The videos I am posting are actually highly curated from the ones I come across. You want to see bias? Follow anyone who is heavily on the protester's side. You will see almost as much propaganda from them as you do from the communists. OK maybe not quite as blatant, but the bias exists, and I have been sorting through it to share the most fair stuff I can here.
Crazy protesters have been posted here, but honestly it wasn't until cops started pretending to be protesters that we started seeing molotovs and batons being used. Is it a coincidence? Probably not, but now that we don't know who is and isn't a protester or press, we can't say with certainty. We already have proof of agent-provocateur tactics being used. All we know is that every action the government has taken, has been in the direction of provocation and insults, with the goal of making people belligerent, upset, and violent. It's like something you would see in an 80's cartoon about evil overlords, except in real life. It blows my mind.
Sorry if I sound ignorant but why should I care? This is a HK issue and no other country in the world is gonna help them or speak up on their behalf.
Where were these protest in 1997 when Britain gave control back to China. 2037 is when HK officially becomes china so these changes in the laws were gonna happen eventually.
I dunno the pessimists in me says you accept your eventual fate or move to another country.
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Sorry if I sound ignorant but why should I care? This is a HK issue and no other country in the world is gonna help them or speak up on their behalf.
Where were these protest in 1997 when Britain gave control back to China. 2037 is when HK officially becomes china so these changes in the laws were gonna happen eventually.
I dunno the pessimists in me says you accept your eventual fate or move to another country.
I can give you an example. Say you sign a 50 year mortgage for 1 million at 4% interest for that 50 years. However the bank decides after 7 years it will double your interest to 8%. You of course goes and argues with your about it. After a few weeks calling to your bank, visiting the branch office and complain on social media they agree not to raise your interest. Then 3 years they try the same thing and this time they didn't back down till you contact the local newspaper. Then 3 years later your bank try the same thing and this time they aren't backing down even if it goes on the news and you rally a group of friends and relatives to protest at the branch with news reporter. But instead of the bank backing down they got the police in and tear gas you, your friends, your relatives and the news reporter and then proceed to beat the crap out of you. Oh and don't bother going to the court coz the bank have the court bought so you will lose the case. And the contract you sign said you can't change mortgage provider.
How would you feel then? Now image that's how the people in HK feel the same way only 9000x worse.
You're repeating the things I said, then say I have a bias? Looking at your post, I think you're actually agreeing with most of what I've been saying here.
But yes I think we're lucky he didn't kill anyone.. You seriously disagree with that? You think it would be fortunate if a cop got mobbed and killed someone? That officer showed amazing restraint, being mobbed (though I contend that he should not have put himself in that position) and fortunately nobody really got hurt. (I think it's possible that his gun isn't even loaded) Again I am not excusing the mob, but mobs are formed this way... People lose their minds when they've been pressured for months. Cops have been doing this for weeks on end, and the mob is coming to a breaking point. And I am pretty sure that has been the goal from the first day.
The videos I am posting are actually highly curated from the ones I come across. You want to see bias? Follow anyone who is heavily on the protester's side. You will see almost as much propaganda from them as you do from the communists. OK maybe not quite as blatant, but the bias exists, and I have been sorting through it to share the most fair stuff I can here.
Crazy protesters have been posted here, but honestly it wasn't until cops started pretending to be protesters that we started seeing molotovs and batons being used. Is it a coincidence? Probably not, but now that we don't know who is and isn't a protester or press, we can't say with certainty. We already have proof of agent-provocateur tactics being used. All we know is that every action the government has taken, has been in the direction of provocation and insults, with the goal of making people belligerent, upset, and violent. It's like something you would see in an 80's cartoon about evil overlords, except in real life. It blows my mind.
And certainly, I apologize for misunderstanding your comment. I'm definitely not great at English, but I felt I would've interpret it differently if it was "luckily, no one was killed (or injured)" because from the video, although highly unlikely, the officer could've been seriously injured or killed too.
For the record, I did reread your sentence several times to check my understanding of it. I do apologize that I misunderstood what you meant/feel.
Anyhow, I definitely agree with you that there are agent-provocateur tactics being used. Hence, I too am trying to becareful not to label those who are attacking the police or causing chaos as protesters, because, we really don't know who they are anymore. They COULD be radical protesters, or police, or thugs using all this as an excuse for violence, or even protesters who were once peaceful but have lost their patience. Right now, besides UN releasing a statement, a lot of things aren't working in the protesters favour.
Adding a bit of personal experience, my mom is just a regular homemaker. She is definitely a kind person and doesn't support violence,racism etc. Because she was born in China, she's definitely more nationalistic than my siblings and I. The point I want to make though, she only knows how to use iPad and TV for media. She turns on the TV every morning, and a lot of news coverage would portray how violent the protesters are, but not very often, or rarely, do they cover the excessive force use by the police. She doesn't know how to use the internet to go on Revscene or other places to view discussions. So how she views the protest is greatly affected by what she sees in the media. Multiple that by thousands, ten thousands households, and you realize how much the protesters are going up against in addition to the government.
I can give you an example. Say you sign a 50 year mortgage for 1 million at 4% interest for that 50 years. However the bank decides after 7 years it will double your interest to 8%. You of course goes and argues with your about it. After a few weeks calling to your bank, visiting the branch office and complain on social media they agree not to raise your interest. Then 3 years they try the same thing and this time they didn't back down till you contact the local newspaper. Then 3 years later your bank try the same thing and this time they aren't backing down even if it goes on the news and you rally a group of friends and relatives to protest at the branch with news reporter. But instead of the bank backing down they got the police in and tear gas you, your friends, your relatives and the news reporter and then proceed to beat the crap out of you. Oh and don't bother going to the court coz the bank have the court bought so you will lose the case. And the contract you sign said you can't change mortgage provider.
How would you feel then? Now image that's how the people in HK feel the same way only 9000x worse.
I would walk away from the bank and cut my loses and move to another country. Vancouver is fucking expensive...I either pay up or move somewhere cheaper.
I'm not starting an arguement. But the writing is on the wall and the eventual outcome looks bleak with no other country daring to intervene.
Not gonna stick my neck out for this and will search out a safer future for me and my family.
Ok now back to our schedule programming of daily videos of protesting that none of us can do about it.
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