Hong Kong is an generally more informed society. Majoryity of the population knows how to use internet, knows different avenue of research etc.

That is why it is so hard for honger to understand why a good portion of mainlander dont support their cause or the power of propganda and how it can shape the public opioion towards social matter. While they are fighting the battle their own way, they are kind of ignoring the other side of the battlefield.

This is not unlike how some portion of the society cant understand why homeless people dont just "find a job" or why drug addict can't jsut "stop the addiction". Or vice versa.

The protest started out with hope of sparking a similiar civil unrest and upheaval in China. China has stomp out previous "riot and revolt" in virtually the same way. Changing the public opioion through media and propganda,get the public on their side and than they will legitimize their use of violence. Hong Kong protest claim to "be water" but they have kind of tunnel vision themselves. They've fail to get the mainlanders on their side and now its turn into Honger vs Mainlander.

Instead of stopping the propganda and making their only neightbor sympathical to their cause they've added fuel to the fire.

Lets not forget at the end of the day, no matter what happen Hong Kong will always be physically tied to China.

Personally I think the best course of action right now is actually to appeal directly to the Chinese government. Hold Carrie Lam, her admistration accountantble for mismanging Hong Kong. Punish her for allowing Hong kong to sink into anarchy and chaos. China can assert their sovereignty on HK, allow China to save their face at the same time defuse the situation at hand.

With a new administration, both side can restart their neogitation with a cleaner slate and a calmer state of mind. Work on rest of the demand together..


Dont think this will ever happen though. As much as people want to say this is not an Anti-china or Hong Kong seperationist movement.
It has turn into that. Fight force with force until you get supress violently. None of the request will be met and force China tighten their grip even more on Hong Kong.

But these people can't get out. They can't just magically immigrant to another country coz you know other countries just don't take you open arm. You have to file an application and wait 1 to 3 years. The rich and the powerful pretty much all have/can leave anytime they like. Is the middle class/poor that get stuck.

They should be lucky to be stuck in such a “world class city”...

Hopefully this doesn’t result in a bunch of people coming to Vancouver with the stench of this shit lingering on them. Keep that shit over there.

A bit of a side track, but it's what I was thinking while reading through this. If this was happening in the Middle East, how quickly will the US and other countries with vested interests get involved; maybe I haven't read enough but I wonder what other world leaders are thinking about what's going on here.

Should this be taking place in the Middle East, USA will no doubt be all over it, possibly due to the reap in benefits, oil reserves, weaponry sales, etc.

Just my thoughts of course.

Anything that has to do with China is a risky-business situation to be in. World leaders are no doubt watching the HK/China extradition war going on.

-but should anyone try to intervene, it could mean trouble and put their own country/nation in jeopardy.

Totally off-track of an example.
The Dolce-Gabbana debacle, where the founder of D&G made some distasteful and racist advertisements. The backfire and uproar in China was immediate, and DG's sales tanked in the Chinese markets.

China has the upper hand in many areas, and it gets sticky when other people try to intervene. Didn't a US navy ship get rejected for its entry into the HK/China regions recently?

China can always kick out hong kong :troll:

^Holy crap, that guy is only 42??? He looks like he's at least mid 50s

smart dictator that lead singapore to success.
Hong Kong doesn't have talents like him

Jews tried the same thing. We sent them back to Germany.

This is why you shouldn't come to Hong Kong right now


Police are completely indiscriminate about where they fire tear gas. That includes inside MTR stations BTW. You could be walking down the street, near a gathering of protesters, and you could get hit by tear gas. Especially if you're in a poorer neighbourhood where they don't give a fuck about the local citizens.

Excuse my ignorance. I'm just here to learn and understand more.
So what is expected to happen after 2047? Is another protest going to happen?

Is the conflict right now simply because China is trying to take over HK way sooner than it should?

Again just a reminder of why the public freaks out when they see a cop hovering over a civilian on the ground. This does NOT excuse their behaviour of course, but it sort of explains it. People usually rely on the police to protect them, but now it's the other way around.


Since UN's words of police violence and Amnesty Inernational's words of police violence don't seem to resonate as much, maybe a video will?

It's not "simply" anything, but in a large part, yes, this

if innocent people keep getting attacked isn't that called terrorism?.

the riot police aren't there to serve and protect the rioters/protesters, they're there to disperse or apprehend them, so I don't know what's expected other than that

so what seems to be happening recently (recently mind you) aired on the news here is this

hk police: "if you don't disperse, we'll do it forcefully" while moving in

protesters: "diu lay lomo!" while attacking the police

hk police: "ok hum ga chan..."

skinnypupp: "stupid barbaric police fuck them and any idiots who don't support the protesters"


sorry couldn't resist :P

Police, by definition, are meant to serve and protect the citizens - which the protesters still are.

Just because someone is breaking the law, does not mean the police can do whatever the fuck they want to that person.
:rukidding:

In his defence though, he really hasn't said anything about fucking the police, but just condeming them for their excessive use of force and lack of reasonable explaination for some of their actions.

Like the 2 videos he just posted, the only thing I can really make out is, a tear gas was fired at the direction of a restaurant entrance. I can't see any crowd in that particular direction, from the video.

The other video is a group of police hitting 2-3 civilian (who knows who these people actually are, protesters?imposters?thugs?) on the ground. What's clear is that they are already on the ground, and the police hit them with the baton for a good 5-10 seconds. It does look excessive, but the video starts when they are already hitting them, and there was no sound, so I can't make out what exactly led up to it.

Do have to keep in mind. News like to broadcast the exciting stuff. What isn't shown is the riot police tear gassing randomly empty streets. Picking pedstratian out for whatever reason.

Western news/ Non Hong Kong news also dont show much of the super cringey interview that Carrie Lam and her administration does.

While it does not justify any of the violence done by the protestor, the city is near a breaking point and the HK government is loosing control

no that's not what they are meant for by definition, by definition they're meant to enforce the law, prevent/stop crime, and maintain order...

to serve and protect is just a motto by some police forces in the US, and a title for a TV show. The HK police motto is to serve with pride and care

Yes, but when in the process of apprehending someone resisting arrest? It's very lax... After all they can kill you (Ur not considered apprehended until Ur calm, and under their control)

And I will say, I'm just taking a shot at skinny for laughs, I'm not serious :lol

You know if this was the US these protestors would have been shot with real bullets when they are attacking the riot police or just the regular police. A lot more people in the states have been shot for a lot less than these guys.

Orange Julius sent out this tweet to Winnie the Pooh Xi about talking face to face with protesters. :facepalm:

I highly doubt that Xi and the protesters would have any dialogue at this turbulent time.

Donald J. Trump
✔ @realDonaldTrump



If President Xi would meet directly and personally with the protesters, there would be a happy and enlightened ending to the Hong Kong problem. I have no doubt! …

It happens anywhere and everywhere ... even in democratic, free speech nations like Canada (2010). And this was only 1 week of meetings, imagine 10-11 weeks of this. Not defending the violence of police ... just saying that it should not be a surprise that shit happens under tense & stressful situations. Tell me one nation/country that would still have upstanding non condemnable police conduct after 10 weeks of protests like HK. If anyone would like, I can pull up videos of Paris (2019), UK (2011), Seattle (1999) ... I think you get the idea.


G20-related mass arrests unique in Canadian history
In the largest mass arrests in Canadian history, police arrested roughly 900 people in G20-related incidents during the weekend.

Officers made more than 900 arrests linked to the summit in the past 10 days, Jillian Van Acker, a representative of the G20 Integrated Security Unit, said Monday. However, early on Saturday morning, police said they had arrested a total of 32 people, meaning that close to 900 were arrested during the weekend alone.

The Canadian Civil Liberties Association denounced the mass arrests, saying they were illegal and unconstitutional because police did not have reasonable grounds to believe that everyone they detained had committed a crime or was about to do so.

So I guess its started... We're at that stage where the mass is starting to sympathize Police means of peace keeping and starting to slowly denounce the protestors.

How political protests in Hong Kong are fracturing families in Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ides-1.5247690

"I can see they [the protestors] are just fearless. They help out each other and they're way younger than me, too. I'm proud of them, quite honestly," says Chan from her Burnaby home.

But it's not a consensus shared by all, especially in the Chan household. Several of her relatives, including her mother, vehemently disagree with her. Political debates often lead to confrontations and a breakdown in communication.

The divide isn't reserved for the Chans. It's fracturing the family dynamic of many Canadians residents with Hong Kong roots.

Now, Chan says she regularly argues with her relatives — especially her mother, who supports the Hong Kong government — but to no end. Both sides are entrenched in their opinions, unwilling to budge.

"When [the arguments] get to that stage of aggression, I will just stop. I just close my door," she says.

Chan recalls one time sitting around the dinner table, eating dim sum, when her grandfather passed around a form declaring support for the Hong Kong government, and instructed everyone to sign.

Chan and her cousins refused.

Sora Chan agrees the violence has gone too far on both sides. But she sees the protestors' violence as a reaction rather than a provocation.

"For me, looking at Hong Kong right now, it's more like an animal's almost being killed and struggling for its last breath," says Chan. "They just want to fight back."

Despite the division, one thing they can all agree on is the desire for a peaceful resolution to the protests.

the stalemate will end when whoever is more desperate to terminate the daily disruptions throws in the towel

is it the HKers or the CCP?

are HKers successfully convincing Mainlanders to protest in their own cities? that hope has already vanished. otoh, this protest may have quite the impact on the taiwan elections

it's one thing for one of the busiest airports to be disrupted for a week...it's not sustainable to try and cut it off for weeks. all the business/tourism will be hurting if not already...at some point people will choose keeping their heads above the water over fighting for a pipe dream/counter eroding freedom...meanwhile the hk police/communists are likely to show more restraint to wait it out for the protesters to go past breaking point and crash