Hong Kong extradition protests

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by buhdeh

As if you needed more proof of how out of touch and idiotic these mainlander counter-protests are - here are some pictures from Toronto:





Nice to see people using their freedom to protest to only try to take things away from others.

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

[twdm]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

You mean introduce rampant corruption and concentrate wealth in the corrupt and connected? Do you know how many blowjobs I could get on the mainland for the equivalent of $20 cad.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

Yes, the best way to win the support of the common people is to show them what the Chinese government has done for their top 0.001%

[Badhobz]

Please, the middle class is growing in China and actually thriving. Its not just the super wealthy that are buying properties, traveling, and going abroad. The CCP already had the support of the common Chinese. Its a shit load better than the old Chinese imperial system or the failed Republic guomingdang.

I can find you a blow job for 20 bucks in downtown east side too.

[welfare]

I thought China lifted the masses out of poverty by introducing some western economic concepts (capitalism). Like Vietnam. And Most other countries who'd remained hardline communist (and poor).
Or am i wrong about?

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Please, the middle class is growing in China and actually thriving. Its not just the super wealthy that are buying properties, traveling, and going abroad.

I can find you a blow job for 20 bucks in downtown east side too.

Travelling and buying property =/= owning 500k supercars.
Thats like me going to a trans mountain pipeline protest and fucking coal rolling and being surprised that I didn't get people to understand my perspective.

[Badhobz]

These guys rolling in their super cars don't give a shit what the Canadians think, it's just to support the Chinese government. What you think if they rolled up in a bunch of corollas all of a sudden Canadians would be like yeah! I can really get behind this cause because they are poor like the rest of us. Give me a break.

[westopher]

Do you understand what protests are for? It’s to gather in a large group to show support, and to use it that gathering to gain support for a cause and beliefs.

[Badhobz]

Seriously ? You actually believe that any of the local protests here will affect what's happening half way around the world. You, as a Canadian, are you gonna go charging into Hong Kong and take up their cause? Or are you just going to go about your day like everyone else and at most send your thoughts and prayers. If the 3 million protestors in Hong Kong ain't going to change the CCP mind, the 1 to 2 hundred people here surely ain't going to do shit.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

Yes with daddy's and mommy's corrupt money. I been to China almost every year and I can you tell not much have change. Go back and have a look. Outside of the 1st and 2nd tier city not much have change. Those 3rd 4th 5th tier still look like shit. Corruption is over the roof and the only reason some of these middle class got better is because of it. The average joe is still hardly getting by.

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I really encourage you to travel back to China and visit some 3rd tier city. I got a cousin who is a Chinese doctor there with certificate and everything and she makes barely over 3k RMB a month. If you have your means to buy/relation to work in Beijing your wage goes by 10x. She wouldn't be able to afford to rent her own if her dad didn't have his business which he is paying her money every month to support her.

[StylinRed]

The thing is HK police and the gov't, don't want China coming in, they're just stuck in the middle, trying to settle the public down, and appease the gov't.

I think after the airport debacle the police and protesters realize that China is going to roll in if they keep this shit up

So the police are on a new tactic (as previously posted) and the protesters came out and apologized, and are taking things peacefully this weekend too

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49380531 HK police saying no to china

[320icar]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Please, the middle class is growing in China and actually thriving. Its not just the super wealthy that are buying properties, traveling, and going abroad. The CCP already had the support of the common Chinese. Its a shit load better than the old Chinese imperial system or the failed Republic guomingdang.

I can find you a blow job for 20 bucks in downtown east side too.

Yes, the rest of the world has clearly seen mainland tourists and do nothing but complain lol

[Nlkko]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Please, the middle class is growing in China and actually thriving. Its not just the super wealthy that are buying properties, traveling, and going abroad. The CCP already had the support of the common Chinese. Its a shit load better than the old Chinese imperial system or the failed Republic guomingdang.

I can find you a blow job for 20 bucks in downtown east side too.

You gotta be in China present days to understand this.

Politics aside, CCP has done a phenomenal job with the country. They went from a bunch of broke ass rice paddy farmers in the 80s to the top economy in the world, surpassing the US. Their population in general are very well off. Low labor production has been steadily moving out of China to countries like Vietnam, etc.

Corruption is a given with any systems involved power and control. Capitalist countries like US has corruption too. You talking about wealth gap like Western countries don't have it.

People like to shit on China and its one party system but one of the benefits of the one party system is that they can afford long long term planning and not having to switch agenda and deal with internal bickering.

Seriously, do a 2 week visit Chinese cities. It will blow your mind. They are so far advanced compared to many Western countries. Their methods sometimes might or might not be up to Western people's taste but there is ZERO question about their accomplishments in moving the countries forward. They have 1.3 billion people and most of them rally behind the party not for reason of fear or propaganda like you'd think. Educated Chinese don't support all of the party's policies but they are ok with most of it because they understand the benefits.

[Hondaracer]

One of the main reasons they appear to be "advanced" is the complete and utter lack of control of theft of global IP

they are a more advanced cold war Russia, let other countries innovate and then build a cheap knock off and revise until it works.

[spoon.ek9]

I haven't said anything in this thread up until now but have been reading and keeping up with the news and social media posts.

Let me start by saying that I am a CBC who appreciates our Chinese culture. One side of the family is HK, the other is China. Having been born and raised in Canada I have grown up with Western culture, manners, and rights. Now, don't get me wrong, this doesn't make me better than anyone here; whether you're HK or mainland born and raised. This issue at hand is not about superiority but rather, a difference in opinion regarding rights and freedoms. Where you are born isn't what shapes your morals and values. One thing people need to remember and realize is that opinion doesn't change law. You don't get to ignore law simply because you disagree with it. This is exactly what the Chinese gov't has been doing in regards to 1 country, 2 systems.

I was at the protest yesterday and there were quite a few things to observe. The level of hatred is probably at an all time high. I don't particularly want to go into the details of that as it is pretty well known among our own people as to why it exists. What I really want to say is this: It is extremely ironic to see communist mainland supporters protesting in a democratic society. Why? Because by protesting against democracy, they are actually demonstrating something that is allowed under this system. Much like that previous comment where mainlanders are logging into VPNs in order to make defensive comments on Instagram. Irony.

I really want the supporters of communism to picture yesterday's events as being in China. Would you see such open, loud and aggressive opposition against the Chinese gov't inside China? and without any consequence? Absolutely not. The irony is that you are using a democratic society's rights and freedoms to oppose something that actually affords you those exact same rights and freedoms.

So how do you get people to actually understand and acknowledge that? Obviously there are smart enough individuals in China who fully understand the problem with having such a system in control of their country. But what happens when someone speaks up there? kidnapped, detained, never seen again. Does this happen in Canada? No. Does this happen in other democratic societies? No! You can't keep turning a blind eye to the absolute trampling of human rights there. And if you are, that just means you value your own profit more than the importance of your own people. If you question this last statement, ask yourself which is more important to you? money or human rights.

Another topic that is used as a rebuttal is corruption within democracy. Yes, it exists and no, the system isn't perfect. But the rights and freedoms part is pretty damn important. We can speak our minds and have different opinions without the threat of death or lifetime imprisonment. Both systems have corruption but only one system values human rights.

By now, this whole situation has devolved into such a shit show (on both sides). Threezero and I are friends IRL and I agree that it would be beneficial to the cause to try and mend the relationship between HK and mainland. Will it actually happen? Don't know unless you try I suppose. Do the people in HK actually care to do so? Probably not but again, who knows. Let's not forget how many situations there were where HK supported the mainland in their times of crisis. Has SARS already been forgotten? There is still love for each other deep down. Right now it's been blanketed by all the hate built up over the past few decades.

Observations at yesterday's protest:

1. VPD did an excellent job keeping the peace and giving shit to people (on both sides) for stepping out of line
2. Sides were very cleared separated but you still had the occasional mainland kids pushing their way through the HK side waving their Chinese flags (clearly trying to instigate something). They were talked to by VPD for their actions.
3. Some of the guys on the HK side were pretty quick to swear at anyone supporting China and one officer said "You're just giving them what they want. The problem starts with you". This is true.
4. One passerby walking along broadway (mainland supporter) claimed HK people were yelling things at him so he yelled back. VPD told him to keep moving and instead he walked right up to a HK supporter and chest bumped him looking to start a fight. VPD officer quickly came in to separate the two and gave them both shit.
5. There were actually quite a few smart and funny chants going around
6. For the most part, things were kept pretty civil. Both sides are angry but no actual violence from what I saw. Some reporters claimed at it's peak there were easily more than 2000 people in attendance.



So how does this all end? I don't know... but hopefully it's a peaceful resolution.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

The CCP already had the support of the common Chinese. Its a shit load better than the old Chinese imperial system or the failed Republic guomingdang.

just because something is better than another system doesn't mean it's not fucked up

good riddance to the Imperial China, but I'm not sure cultural revolution was the only solution

Originally Posted by Nlkko

People like to shit on China and its one party system but one of the benefits of the one party system is that they can afford long long term planning and not having to switch agenda and deal with internal bickering.

Seriously, do a 2 week visit Chinese cities. It will blow your mind. They are so far advanced compared to many Western countries. Their methods sometimes might or might not be up to Western people's taste but there is ZERO question about their accomplishments in moving the countries forward.

and places like Japan and Korea achieved advancements far beyond the West without population cleansing and heavy oppression

are you sure there's no internal struggle within the CCP?

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

I really encourage you to travel back to China and visit some 3rd tier city.

there's poverty/neglect in almost every society. have you not walked down parts of Hastings?

Originally Posted by bobbinka

So... these people, in democratic Canada, where they have freedom of speech, are counter protesting against those in (or supporting) HK that are protesting for their freedom/rights/future, which these people never had in the land they came from?

you answered your own question

as long as these pro-Beijing aren't ripping down the Lennon Wall/getting violent, i dont' see a problem

the exotic car parade, c'mon don't fall for it, it's clear they're just trying to see how many people will get triggered

[bobbinka]

oh, it may have had a question mark, but it definitely was not a question if you read between the lines.

[Alpine]

Keep in mind that although CCP is corrupt is fuck, so is everyone else. Don't forget that countries like Canada & USA were/are just as corrupt but they didn't undergo their development and progression during the era of the internet & social media. You cannot attack the CCP without acknowledging how corrupt everyone else is.

[Qmx323]

So, those driving through Granville today....

At the old embassy/whatever house that the Falun Gong Protesters used to be at.

They had China supporters on one side, and HK supporters on the other.

Police were there, it looked like they were just assembling.

Those who want to watch a show should go check it out

[GS8]

This would be a great time for Gululu to come back and spread more of his dynastic wisdom...

[threezero]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

just because something is better than another system doesn't mean it's not fucked up

good riddance to the Imperial China, but I'm not sure cultural revolution was the only solution

Just want to correct this misconception.

Cultural Revoluion lead by Mao nearly killed the fledgling China. It created a scary us vs them mentality that tore the whole country apart. Nobody in China today thought that was a good idea. Those that have live through it have horrible stories to tell and never wish that on the country again.

DengXiaoPing's policy took China to its prosperity today. He was able to implement capitalism only after Mao died. His "CCP style capitalism" is still the official model and direction for the current CCP party.

Deng himself was punish for disagreeing with Mao and saw first hand how dissent and mob mentality torn the country apart during cultural revolution. This heavily influence how he response to Tiananmen in 1989. His policies were working, China was turning itself around, he was afraid Tiananmen protest will put china backing to the state it was during the cultural revolution. So he handle it the way he did.

Mao never saw pass the paddy fields.

Deng saw china of today more than 50 years ago.


Not arguing whether historical event is right or wrong. But It is a common misconception for the west to portray cultural revolution on the same context as the Tianamen massacre. It is not.

Cultural revolution was one the worse chapter in China's history. Ironically Tianamen square happen because the government was trying to prevent a cultural revolution 2.0

[asian_XL]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

I feel shame saying I am Chinese now.

[Badhobz]

Yeah you and the rest of the protestors in Hong Kong. Too bad you cannot see all the important things we've achieved in the last 30 years.

[threezero]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Yeah you and the rest of the protestors in Hong Kong. Too bad you cannot see all the important things we've achieved in the last 30 years.

This mentality is toxic too within the mainlander community. Just because CCP did good for the general population doesn't mean they are without fault, and it doesn't mean the population as a whole shouldn't aspire to something even greater.

Flashing your wealth in front of the public will draw nothing but hate. People get it the Chinese are not paddy farmer anymore. China is still developing but there is not reason not to re examine what could be better.

[SkinnyPupp]

Also, as much as things have improved for mainland people in the last 20 years, it's been going the other way for Hong Kong people in the same time (and it's directly related). Something to keep in mind