Hong Kong extradition protests

[spoon.ek9]

forgot to add, yesterday a mainland supporter held up a hand written sign that read "How much American pad you?"

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by threezero

This mentality is toxic too within the mainlander community. Just because CCP did good for the general population doesn't mean they are without fault, and it doesn't mean the population as a whole shouldn't aspire to something even greater.

Flashing your wealth in front of the public will draw nothing but hate. People get it the Chinese are not paddy farmer anymore. China is still developing but there is not reason not to re examine what could be better.

nobody says they are without fault. I dont think a single mainlander can say that with a straight face. Most of us have had some family member or know of some family member who's been through the bullshit of the cultural revolution and the maoist regime.

As for as flashing your wealth, that is a very Chinese thing to do. That's not even a mainlander thing okay, that's a general Chinese thing. The highest amount of Ferrari owners per city is in Hong Kong, followed up by Singapore and then London. This is about as ingrained in our culture as filial piety.



we were flashing our shit and showing off for centuries okay.

[threezero]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

nobody says they are without fault. I dont think a single mainlander can say that with a straight face. Most of us have had some family member or know of some family member who's been through the bullshit of the cultural revolution and the maoist regime.

As for as flashing your wealth, that is a very Chinese thing to do. That's not even a mainlander thing okay, that's a general Chinese thing. The highest amount of Ferrari owners per city is in Hong Kong, followed up by Singapore and then London. This is about as ingrained in our culture as filial piety.



we were flashing our shit and showing off for centuries okay.

And the white people use to own slaves as a mean to flash wealth. Continue a bad tradition because it is a tradition is easy. Example how this action affect other's perception and the bigger picture is harder.

Dont reach for the lowest hanging fruit.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

forgot to add, yesterday a mainland supporter held up a hand written sign that read "How much American pad you?"

engrish isnt our strong suit

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by threezero

And the white people use to own slaves as a mean to flash wealth. Continue a bad tradition because it is a tradition is easy. Example how this action affect other's perception and the bigger picture is harder.

Dont reach for the lowest hanging fruit.

yeah but that's not really their fault. I mean if we gave all Canadians 50 million dollars, a good 60-75% would go out and spend it on the exact same stuff as these newly rich Chinese people. Just because they have money doesnt mean they need to hide it for the sake of other less fortunate people. If you made it, you made it. It might be ostentatious as fuck to the rest of us, but they just see it as proceeds of their status and wealth. To the wealthy, a ferrari is just a car just like we see a corolla. Is it right? meh.. i dont really have a problem with it. Its a bit tone-deaf, but it's for sure not the same thing as owning slaves.

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

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[spoon.ek9]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

engrish isnt our strong suit

do you honestly think the issue with that quote is the english...?

[bobbinka]

While the CCP may have done good for some of the population and improved things over X years... let's just remind everybody here that the people who are speaking up are the ones who have benefited from the CCP (either directly or indirectly through family members and business). But this is not all Chinese people, far from it.

It is unlikely we will hear from the ones who never benefited and have suffered or are suffering from it, because they are either censored, in re-education camps, or can never afford to leave the country.

It's a little hard to take anything that's said seriously when they are all trying to move their money out of the country (which is quite telling, really), are judged by social standings, and being watched/heard by cameras everywhere.

Yea, let's go talk to the kids who live by themselves and have to hike through mountains/forests to get to school or their parents who have to work in factories far away without seeing their kids for months at a time, hear what they have to say?

Originally Posted by Badhobz

The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

Being Chinese and looking Chinese in the mirror has nothing to do with whether one should accept the CCP. If you genuinely think that, you have some serious questions to ask yourself.

What does it mean to make peace with the family and come back into the fold? Are you sure you're not the one who is outside the fold of what it should mean to be Chinese?

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by bobbinka

Being Chinese and looking Chinese in the mirror has nothing to do with whether one should accept the CCP. If you genuinely think that, you have some serious questions to ask yourself.

What does it mean to make peace with the family and come back into the fold? Are you sure you're not the one who is outside the fold of what it should mean to be Chinese?

So if you dont accept the CCP what do you purpose? outright civil war? you want a repeat of the taiping rebellion? or how about the nationalists vs the communist war that destroyed thousands of Chinese households? I honestly want to know what the end goal is and how the protestors want to achieve said goals. Demonstrating and protesting aint going to do jack shit vs this government especially when they hold all the cards. The only way to get rid of the CCP is to mobilize the entire country and for that to happen things have to get really bad for the majority of the people.

I dont support the CCP, i support China. I support 3000 years of Chinese history and our culture. I dont care who's in charge of the country as long as they represent the will of our people. If China decides that tomorrow it'll be democratic, ill support whatever ruling party gets voted in.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

So if you dont accept the CCP what do you purpose? outright civil war? you want a repeat of the taiping rebellion? or how about the nationalists vs the communist war that destroyed thousands of Chinese households? I honestly want to know what the end goal is and how the protestors want to achieve said goals. Demonstrating and protesting aint going to do jack shit vs this government especially when they hold all the cards. The only way to get rid of the CCP is to mobilize the entire country and for that to happen things have to get really bad for the majority of the people.

I dont support the CCP, i support China. I support 3000 years of Chinese history and our culture. I dont care who's in charge of the country as long as they represent the will of our people. If China decides that tomorrow it'll be democratic, ill support whatever ruling party gets voted in.

Man these pro mainland people really have no sense of irony, do they

[Traum]

Just going to chime in on what I have observed over this weekend, and filling in additional details on what has not been said here yet.

In the lead up to Saturday's demonstration out the Broadway - City Hall station, pictures started floating around on social media that showed the pro-China side discussing what they can do to disrupt the Saturday demonstration. Stuff I saw included suggestions of bringing knives, putting rocks/boulders in a backpack and use it as a weapon, with the most infuirating one being a picture of a handgun (and it did not look like it was a mere stock photo). Some suggested that the post originally came from Weibo. I have no idea where it originated from, but it doesn't take a genius to see that stuff like this has clearly crossed the line -- you do not credibly and descriptively joke about stabbing someone with a knife, clubbing them with rocks, or shooting them with guns.

The Saturday demonstrations orginally included a 4pm - ??? pm portion at the Canada Line station, and then again with a different activity in Downtown (on Granville & Robson). Organizers for the Saturday demonstration were informed by the police -- reportedly at 5pm on Saturday -- that there are threats of violence, including the potential for knive attacks. As a result, the Saturday organizers cancelled the evening demonstration plans. The pro-China side still showed up for their counter protest, and Razor Ramon HG has already included a video clip of it earlier in the thread.

Across Canada this weekend, there are similar demonstrations to support Hong Kong. Unfortunately, all of them have been met with counter protests from pro-China supporters.

In Halifax, the pro-Hong Kong demonstrations saw some 200+ pro-China people clashing with the pro-Hong Kong group.
In Toronto, an estimated 500+ pro-China people surrounded the pro-Hong Kong group.
In Winnipeg, an estimated 300+ pro-China people surrounded the pro-Hong Kong group.
In Calgary, ~100 pro-China people came to counter protest the pro-Hong Kong group.
In Montreal, the pro-Hong Kong demonstrators were supposed to join the Montreal Pride Parade to voice their support for Hong Kong. Much like what has happened here in Vancouver, the SPVM (Montreal police) notified the Montreal Pride organizers that there is a threat of potential disturbance from aggressive Chinese nationalists towards the pro-Hong Kong demonstrators. As a result of this, Montreal Pride removed the pro-Hong Kong demonstrators from the parade.

I mention all of the above because this is happening right here on our home turf and across Canada. The fact that it is happening absolutely disgusts me.

[Tim Budong]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...ina-protesters

this is just not right.

FYI Skinny, we can vote in the next Canadian election with a mail in ballot

[trd2343]

Originally Posted by Tim Budong

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...ina-protesters

this is just not right.

FYI Skinny, we can vote in the next Canadian election with a mail in ballot

I can see how this whole thing is looking more like HK vs China more than HK (or people in HK) against the China government.

“We were praying for human rights in Hong Kong. For freedom and democracy in Hong Kong,” Chiu said.


I certainly don't think this one person represents everyone views, but if you're going to pray, pray for both Hong Kong and China. People in HK deserves human rights, people in China do so too.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by trd2343

“We were praying for human rights in Hong Kong. For freedom and democracy in Hong Kong,” Chiu said.


I certainly don't think this one person represents everyone views, but if you're going to pray, pray for both Hong Kong and China. People in HK deserves human rights, people in China do so too.

I am not understanding why anyone must also pray for China if they pray for Hong Kong. By that logic, wouldn't the same person also need to pray for human rights for every single country in the world because everyone in the world deserves to enjoy basic human rights?

Things of course do not work that way in the world. People care for others differently depending on the level of closeness they feel towards them. The fact and reality is a large portion of people in Hong Kong, or people that associate with Hong Kong, do not particularly care for China, to put it mildly.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by threezero

And the white people use to own slaves as a mean to flash wealth...

Now now.
Let's not bring the gwai lo into this

[trd2343]

Originally Posted by Traum

I am not understanding why anyone must also pray for China if they pray for Hong Kong. By that logic, wouldn't the same person also need to pray for human rights for every single country in the world because everyone in the world deserves to enjoy basic human rights!

Things of course do not work that way in the world. People care for others differently depending on the level of closeness they feel towards them. The fact and reality is a large portion of people in Hong Kong, or people that associate with Hong Kong, do not particularly care for China, to put it mildly.

You’re absolutely right. However, China and HK relationship is far more (and complicated) than “just” neighbouring cities/countries. I won’t expect Germany to pray for France problems (not saying they won’t or don’t) or Cambodia for Vietnam.

I mean our hearts get heavy and we send thoughts and prayers (jokes aside) when hear shooting going on at our neighbour down south.

But if that’s the case, it is really putting it mildly that HK do not particularly care for China.


Edit:
Everyone also has their own right to pray for whatever they want (hey that’s why we live here right?)
I’m just pointing out what I think plays into the narrative HK vs China even more.

[asian_XL]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Yeah you and the rest of the protestors in Hong Kong. Too bad you cannot see all the important things we've achieved in the last 30 years.

Too bad you also cannot see all the important things Honger have achieved 30 years before China started building up. Yes, it was with the help of UK. It was the communists who ruined it all in the past 20 years. Good job.

[Badhobz]

What did you achieve ? Did you bring over a billion people out from collectivization farming and backwards social/economical standards to a global super power? Did you create a space program for our people and put our own astronaut in space or land on the far side of the moon? How about the fact that we can all hold our heads higher because we aren't dirt poor anymore and people can actually purchase luxury items.

You guys hate mainlanders because we come and buy your products? Did they rob those products or actually pay for it with their own money? I'm sure the shopkeeps aren't complaining about getting paid.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

do you honestly think the issue with that quote is the english...?

I don't believe it myself but who knows in this day and age. Look at all the dirty shit the CIA has been involved in the past. Bay of pigs in Cuba, the Iranian Revolution, United fruit company in Guatemala.

Sounds just like CCP propaganda to me. But that isn't even close to the crux of the issue. Most of the mainlanders don't understand protestors demands for freedom and therefore will never back the cause. All the while the city and its citizens suffers and we have these pointless protests/counter protests in our own backyard.

[Ferra]

Originally Posted by trd2343

I can see how this whole thing is looking more like HK vs China more than HK (or people in HK) against the China government.

I always find it amazing how the Chinese Communist Party is so ingrained in the culture, you cannot be anti-CCP without being consider anti-China.


e.g. If someone say they hate Trudeau and the Liberal party, no one would assume they hate Canada. Even someone who say they hate Putin, Maduro (single party state), people wont' assume they hate russia, venezuela ,etc

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

What did you achieve ? Did you bring over a billion people out from collectivization farming and backwards social/economical standards to a global super power? Did you create a space program for our people and put our own astronaut in space or land on the far side of the moon? How about the fact that we can all hold our heads higher because we aren't dirt poor anymore and people can actually purchase luxury items.

You guys hate mainlanders because we come and buy your products? Did they rob those products or actually pay for it with their own money? I'm sure the shopkeeps aren't complaining about getting paid.

I like tho know how they achieve that? Is it by stealing IP from other company and then building a cheaper version of it using cheap labour and polluting its own rivers and and lake with deadly chemicals and without doing spending any money or R&D? Or is it achieve by serving deadly milk powders so a few selective rich can get even richer? Or using expiry vaccine on purpose so people can reap in the cash for themselves. The Chinese gov grip is so tight on its citizen it even regulate when natural gas will be delivery to you and when it stops. So you can even pay for it if you want coz you might want to warm your house sooner.

Oh and also if Chinese really love their own country how come they don't buy local brands? Instead they seek out foreign brands IE LV, Gucci, tiffany, burberry, Coach, Canada Goose? Also shouldn't they use Chinese brand for their cosmetic as well? What cell phones maybe they should switch from their iPhones to huawei and xiaomi. As far as I understand these so call "Chinese" only wants to act like they care about China but look closely they aren't even using any product made by a Chinese company because they know it not safe, quality isn't good, it break down easily. I have a relative in China who used to work for the Chinese gov till he retires and his replies in using a Ford instead of using some Chinese brand for his car "Chinese branded car is dangerous to drive in and they always break down. Most important only the poor drives them." Yet he is the first to criticize other foreign countries.

If these people really love China then start supporting Chinese brand and you are going to see 9/10 of them are just all talks. My wife is a Chinese born and raise in Beijing and the way she see this is that if you support China then start using stuff from Chinese company and not just all talk but no action taken.

[punkwax]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

What did you achieve ? Did you bring over a billion people out from collectivization farming and backwards social/economical standards to a global super power? Did you create a space program for our people and put our own astronaut in space or land on the far side of the moon? How about the fact that we can all hold our heads higher because we aren't dirt poor anymore and people can actually purchase luxury items.

You guys hate mainlanders because we come and buy your products? Did they rob those products or actually pay for it with their own money? I'm sure the shopkeeps aren't complaining about getting paid.

I don’t want to get too involved here but can’t help but notice that each time you praise what China has done recently, you point straight to the money.

I think that’s the problem. China is so focused on cash they treat their citizens and quite frankly, the Earth, like shit. The greed and posturing is ridiculous IMO.

But hey, enjoy those luxury items. I’m sure they’ll provide real internal happiness.

[Ludepower]

Can someone explain why theres a pro-china counter protest in a democratic country like canada?

I understand why canadian HK are protesting but why the fuck do canadian mainlanders care to come out and counter protest.

Like congratulation you made it here...relax and enjoy. Your living the canadian dream living here in a beautiful clean democratic country. Forget about your communist country and let others protest their freedom.

Theres lots of neutral non chinese people who are quickly seeing these hypocrites pro chinese for who they are. I'm down to goto these protest to publically shame them on social media.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ Because they see the protest on China state media and though the people in HK wants to seperate from China. Oh and to flex their ferraris which they purchased with daddy's and mommy's money.

[buhdeh]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

You don't understand. The whole point of showing up with these nice cars and luxury items is to show what the CCP has done for the chinese people. Take it back to the 80s and most of these guys wouldn't even be on bicycles.
The CCP has brought 1.4 billion peoples out onto the global stage as a world power. After hundreds of years of being dominated by foreign powers, China is risen on its own feet and many of us are proud of that. The protestors seem to forget that when they look in the mirror it's a Chinese face that is reflected back and instead of inciting further division, you should make peace with the family and come back into the fold.

You are right. The CCP is pretty generous letting these protestors hide and move all their assets to foreign countries and giving thousands of Chinese families the means to have their children escape China.