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twitchyzero 08-21-2019 07:24 PM
would we have Porsche BMW Hugo Boss without the Nazi's?

Raid3n 08-21-2019 07:39 PM
yes? lol. they weren't started by the nazi party...

Badhobz 08-21-2019 08:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spoon.ek9 (Post 8957526)
The two situations are not comparable. You're talking about people who moved from a democratic society to a democratic country. The other group is from an authoritarian communist country going to a democratic country.

You have already been able to separate your love for country apart from it's political system. What you need to do is look at this from a third party perspective.

Imagine German Nazis coming to Canada and bragging about how awesome their country is and then they start shitting on the local Jews for protesting against the treatment they've been getting back home. How does that look? Hypocritical much? The point people are trying to make here is, if your country (including it's system) is so great why leave? why do any of them need to have a backup plan/exit strategy if things are so awesome?

Obviously I've used some hyperbole here to get my point across. Nazi Germany =/= Mainland China.
So if nazi germany doesnt equal mainland china than your argument is invalid isnt it? its just a group of people (as you said, mainlanders are not nazi's right? right?), who left a fascist (China is far from communist, it's more fascist than communist) country, who have differing opinions. Most of these people still love their country but want to live elsewhere for a wide variety of reasons.

Ask any ex pat why they moved and you'll get a variety of reasons. When they display nationalism towards their home country do you automatically throw a statement like "if you like it so much, why don't you go back there?"
When Italians in America or Canada celebrate Columbus day and waive their flags around do you go up to them and criticize their nationalism?

Its the same shit with us nationalist Chinese. We might not like the CCP but we are proud of our home country. Why is this so hard to understand?

welfare 08-21-2019 08:42 PM
Why is it always the Nazis who signify the epitome of all things evil?
Why not imperial Japan?
They occupied more land, killed more people, and did it more ruthlessly.
But nope. It's always Nazi this, Nazi that...

twitchyzero 08-21-2019 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Raid3n (Post 8957531)
yes? lol. they weren't started by the nazi party...
you honestly believe established German brands would be where they are if it wasn't for the backing from the brutal regime that ruled Europe?

Ferdinand was a well-documented party member and BMW was the beating heart of the luftwaffe

so should the poles/jews/blacks that drive German cars go back to respecting their forefathers and buy a Daewoo instead?

my point is it's asinine to tell people to go back somewhere if they dared show any support/understanding of a culture they might still partially identify/associate with

the great thing about a democratic and 'free' society is being able to share an opinion with zero fucks given...i can see why waving a commie flag can irk many but to counter-protest against hooligans that trash places/tie people up to a lugguage cart isn't something that will get me all triggered

spoon.ek9 08-21-2019 09:07 PM
so you have no problem enjoying the freedoms here but take issue with HK trying to fight for theirs? where's the logic in that?

the sino-british declaration is law. valid law. china doesn't get to sit there and say haha yeah, fuck that we don't care. the mainland people don't get to sit there and have this attitude that HK should just stfu and fall in line. it's one country, two systems not one country, one system. meanwhile, they enjoy freedoms and rights in democratic societies while vehemently opposing HK for fighting to uphold the exact same things they are entitled to until 2047. Opinion doesn't change law.

threezero 08-21-2019 09:16 PM
People are allow to protest for whatever stupid reason they want to protest.

That is the beauty of democracy and free speech

The end.

Badhobz 08-21-2019 09:26 PM
yeah to what end though? besides ruining a perfectly good city what is the ultimate goal here? You really think China is going to let you guys become independent? do you really think western nations will step in to protect HK?

My logic is simple. Its a lost cause and too many people have been already hurt for something that will ultimately be useless. In less than 50 years China will be able to do whatever it wants. Id take this period to probably find a good exit plan if you really dont want to stick around when they come rolling in.

Manic! 08-21-2019 09:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8957545)
Why is it always the Nazis who signify the epitome of all things evil?
Why not imperial Japan?
They occupied more land, killed more people, and did it more ruthlessly.
But nope. It's always Nazi this, Nazi that...
Hitler did do some good things right?

Badhobz 08-21-2019 09:34 PM
autobahn! jet engines! rockets! VW/Porsche! yeah they did some good stuff too

trd2343 08-21-2019 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 8957557)
yeah to what end though? besides ruining a perfectly good city what is the ultimate goal here? You really think China is going to let you guys become independent? do you really think western nations will step in to protect HK?

My logic is simple. Its a lost cause and too many people have been already hurt for something that will ultimately be useless. In less than 50 years China will be able to do whatever it wants. Id take this period to probably find a good exit plan if you really dont want to stick around when they come rolling in.
I think that's where your view differs vastly than most here, if the perfectly good city you've mentioned is HK.

bobbinka 08-21-2019 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 8957557)
My logic is simple. Its a lost cause and too many people have been already hurt for something that will ultimately be useless. In less than 50 years China will be able to do whatever it wants. Id take this period to probably find a good exit plan if you really dont want to stick around when they come rolling in.
http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/me...l8pW/giphy.gif

threezero 08-21-2019 10:06 PM
Here is another unpopular opinion.

The real problem with Hong Kong and the real reason why the population is angry is the decreasing economic significance of Hong Kong and decade worth of economical inequality that has plague the place.

Outrageous rent/house pricing, the stranglehold real estate tycoon has on land usage, the lack of opportunities for young generation and the crazy wealth gap between the have and have nots. It is easy to be angry as a native honger.

Democracy is great in terms of human right, freedom of speeches etc. It is not a guarantee to economic prosperity and in some way it deter economic reform.

Cry for democracy is a temporal band-aid for the real problem. Hong Kong will never be truly be happy until the root problem is solved.

StylinRed 08-21-2019 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by spoon.ek9 (Post 8957551)
the sino-british declaration is law. valid law. china doesn't get to sit there and say haha yeah, fuck that we don't care.
not to be a stickler but a declaration /agreement isn't law, and they can be broken, or renegotiated, etc, etc we see it all the time elsewhere in the world

Quote:
Opinion doesn't change law.
and yeah opinion can change the law, a judges opinion, or popular opinion, societal changes, does change the law :P

Bahhbeehhaaaa 08-22-2019 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8957277)
Nobody's getting fucking paid to protest in HK you clowns LUL
You are partially correct, not everyone gets paid. But the ones on the front lines are, at $1500 HKD per event. If this bill passes, it will hurt the wealthiest elites in Hong Kong. The wealthiest people on earth are the ones whos truth wealth cannot be shown publicly...

SkinnyPupp 08-22-2019 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bahhbeehhaaaa (Post 8957573)
You are partially correct, not everyone gets paid. But the ones on the front lines are, at $1500 HKD per event. If this bill passes, it will hurt the wealthiest elites in Hong Kong. The wealthiest people on earth are the ones whos truth wealth cannot be shown publicly...
Bold claims like that require undeniable proof. Otherwise don't bother

Bahhbeehhaaaa 08-22-2019 03:02 AM
What is proof? Elites don't proof because proof doesn't exist in their terms. At the end, hopefully Hong Kong will step out of the mess.

SkinnyPupp 08-22-2019 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bahhbeehhaaaa (Post 8957579)
What is proof? Elites don't proof because proof doesn't exist in their terms. At the end, hopefully Hong Kong will step out of the mess.
In other words it's all in your mind

welfare 08-22-2019 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 8957558)
Hitler did do some good things right?
Prior to invading Poland, he was lauded internationally as a hero for pulling that country (probably the hardest hit of all due to their treaty debt) out of the depression and transforming their economy.

Meanwhile, Stalin was systematically (intentionally) starving his own people by the millions and the Japanese were playing catch with Chinese babies using bayonets. Among other fun games like force the parents at gunpoint to have intercourse with their own children.

Six million one hand, half dozen million the other I suppose

Bahhbeehhaaaa 08-22-2019 04:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8957277)
Nobody's getting fucking paid to protest in HK you clowns LUL
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8957580)
In other words it's all in your mind
lol common man... "it's all in your mind"

CharlesInCharge 08-22-2019 08:13 AM
Honk Kong is full of Asian Zionist oligarchs.
If you look at Syria today with all the terrorist moved to one province, this is what Honk Kong is. If or when China has a war with the Zionist, what will the people of Hong Kong do? Will their alliance be with their Asian country men or Anglo Zionist empire?
Most likely they will be an insider threat to commit terrorist acts against its own people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8957581)
Prior to invading Poland, he was lauded internationally as a hero for pulling that country (probably the hardest hit of all due to their treaty debt) out of the depression and transforming their economy.

...
How did Hitler bring a destitute nation into a world power? Its said he printed his own currency? Why did anyone on earth exchange Hitler's, literately paper notes grown in trees, for oil and other commodities?

When you brainwashed people learn that you cant answer this, note that all of your history is a lie, Canada is a lie, your so called democracy is a lie.

twdm 08-22-2019 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 8957559)
autobahn! jet engines! rockets! VW/Porsche! yeah they did some good stuff too
Yea! Mao was so nice he didnt kill ALL your relatives. Nice of him to keep the ones with the lowest IQ lying around. WutFace

Badhobz 08-22-2019 08:46 AM
Im pretty sure I've said it before in this thread, but you're a fucking idiot.

bcedhk 08-22-2019 09:03 AM
https://i.imgur.com/oefpdSn.jpg

.... This is the VC of the IPCC in charge of dealing with police complaints. And you wonder why people have no confidence in the police complaint system.

welfare 08-22-2019 09:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge (Post 8957598)
Honk Kong is full of Asian Zionist oligarchs.
If you look at Syria today with all the terrorist moved to one province, this is what Honk Kong is. If or when China has a war with the Zionist, what will the people of Hong Kong do? Will their alliance be with their Asian country men or Anglo Zionist empire?
Most likely they will be an insider threat to commit terrorist acts against its own people.

How did Hitler bring a destitute nation into a world power? Its said he printed his own currency? Why did anyone on earth exchange Hitler's, literately paper notes grown in trees, for oil and other commodities?

When you brainwashed people learn that you cant answer this, note that all of your history is a lie, Canada is a lie, your so called democracy is a lie.
Hey Charles, can you tell us your stance on the validity of the holocaust?
From the perspective of someone who isn't "brainwashed"?


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