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I was talking to a HK solicitor today and she had a few good points.
1) cops are there to make arrests based on their professional judgement. Prosecutor will make the decision to bring it up to a judge. Judge decides if you're guilty or now.
2) HK lawyers now posting videos on "what to do if you get arrested in HK"
a) don't speak a word b) don't talk to inmates c) don't talk to your parents nor plead to anything d) just be silent.
This is where shit goes sideways.
I got arrested before so this is what normally happens; you go to the station, you make a statement and you agree to go to court (if prosecutor has enough evidence etc to make a case). You are then released; promised to appear in court later.
What these fuckers are doing is REFUSING to give a statement; therefore, cops now have to put you in a cell for 48 hours. This is where everyone has to get researched.
Even Nicholas Tse had to get stripped down naked during his Ferrari crash.
Only if the girl would make a statement.... she would've been let go, but the fact she remained silent, this whole "violation" occurred.
As to 10 people standing outside the door.... wtf. You come out from a doctor's office after an exam, there are 25 people waiting in the lobby from 50 feet away... Why is that such a surprise???? What the women is saying are all subjective and has no weight under the court of law.
Lastly, if all these protesters hate China so much why the fuck are you still going up to China spending your paychecks there. Stay the fuck in HK.
lol at "talked to a friend/solicitor/business owner" statements again from 6793026.
The reason for the erosion of trust amongst the public with the HKPF is the fact that we have seen on numerous occasions their lack of professional judgement (e.g. stomping people on the ground, swearing at protestors/calling them cockroaches, shooting tear gas indoors, etc...).
Hong Kong is not China when it comes to certain legal principles, and HK citizens still have the right to silence based on the rules of the common law. So how are these people "fuckers" when they are just upholding their rights?
And I would say it's a pretty shitty professional judgement if the HKPF DC thinks a 20-year-old will be hiding something in their body? They are not smuggling drugs, so what do they expect to find from a strip search from the protestor; a lazer pointer in their butt? Rather than being professional, their actions lately have just stacked on more ridicule by millions of HK people and around the world for their irrational decision making.
From my point of view, HKPF is resorting to intimidation tactics to squeeze out the wrong words or conviction from these protestors so that they can put another one on the docket for more serious offences.
To your last point, you're missing the whole point of this protest. The majority of people are not protesting on hating China.... You should cut back on CTGN and People Daily, and try to find other news media to have a balanced view on things.
And I would say it's a pretty shitty professional judgement if the HKPF DC thinks a 20-year-old will be hiding something in their body? They are not smuggling drugs, so what do they expect to find from a strip search from the protestor; a lazer pointer in their butt? Rather than being professional, their actions lately have just stacked on more ridicule by millions of HK people and around the world for their irrational decision making.
If you're arrested, interrogated, getting at statement at a police station, and in this case for 48 hours along with other protesters, you will highly likely to be sharing a cell. Cops won't give a fuck on what you think, they don't give a fuck how old you are and if you're 80 yr old. In this case, you'll be searched and strip searched to ensure you don't possess anything that could cause yourself / others bodily harm.
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From what I read about this case, she wasn't held in jail? She went from the hospital, to the police station, to home? She wasn't held overnight? Like while I don't see anything wrong with how the strip search was conducted, I don't see why she was given one in the first place (unless she was held overnight)
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what part of slapping his penis and forcing piss rag into his gullet is causing the confusion that they're just following SoP?
It's almost like they want more people than ever to hit the streets
What's interesting is that everything China is doing is literally the opposite of what you'd do to quell a movement like this. They are provoking, inciting, and convincing more and more of the average citizen to want to fight against them.
anyone have sources of good coles note summaries on tracking this?
there is obviously a shit tonne of coverage and a lot of it is opinion driven
looking for something I can check regularly without sifting through random rage comments (although I guess there is merit in gauging sentiment also!)
Carrie Lam tried to legally withdraw the bill, one of the five demands, but China wouldn't let her.
This shows how broken the system is, and why HK needs to continue to fight. It's right there in their constitution, but they have no autonomy whatsoever.
There was a protest planned for today, but it has been officially cancelled. We'll have to see who plans to go there despite the cancellation. Sai Ying Poon MTR station will be closed at 1:30, and the police sent out another mass SMS, despite the cancellation. These SMS messages are like a call to arms lol... There were rumors last night that basically the entire Island MTR line would shut down. We'll have to wait and see...
This is happening all throughout the city, and at most residential estates (10pm every night)
In case you still think the movement is a bunch of kids on summer holiday (I've seen that suggested here, and it still bothers me) or just extremists who want to fight (maybe it's the same person who suggested this, but it's still wrong).
People are arriving to the cancelled protest. Police set up barriers around the China liaison office. It's clear the police have been trying to provoke people into more violence with the arrests, beatings, and protest bans this weekend. I hope the protesters don't get baited into conflict again.
Lol at the wumaos who keep saying western media are posting fake tweets and info....
They deleted this tweet right after local media pointed them out. FYI , global times is a CCP funded and controlled media and that dude is just a random HK guy with glasses, not Joshua Wong
Cops while chasing some protesters, cops get on train, beat on random people (may or may not be protesters), spray the train with pepper spray as they run away when the press arrive, without arresting anyone.
There were regular passengers in this train. Even when there are protestors in the train, What kind of danger were they posing to the officers that require them to spray three full bottles of their pepper spray? ( you can see an inspector grabbing the evidence away afterwards)
I’m not condoning the petrol bombs and attacks on police. But this type of shit by the police officers got to stop.
I’ve asked my partner’s family to cancel their trip to HK in October.
There were regular passengers in this train. Even when there are protestors in the train, What kind of danger were they posing to the officers that require them to spray three full bottles of their pepper spray? ( you can see an inspector grabbing the evidence away afterwards)
I’m not condoning the petrol bombs and attacks on police. But this type of shit by the police officers got to stop.
I’ve asked my partner’s family to cancel their trip to HK in October.
The blood curdling scream as he tries in vain to protect his loved one... That actually makes me sick to the stomach.
anyone have sources of good coles note summaries on tracking this?
there is obviously a shit tonne of coverage and a lot of it is opinion driven
looking for something I can check regularly without sifting through random rage comments (although I guess there is merit in gauging sentiment also!)
it's no use, there are so much videos /edits which you'll only see the 30 seconds pointing both sides.
Reddit + FB had shares on HK cop carrying a glock throwing fire bombs...then people fact check and many verified it's air gun. Only some special units could have called glock.
There were regular passengers in this train. Even when there are protestors in the train, What kind of danger were they posing to the officers that require them to spray three full bottles of their pepper spray? ( you can see an inspector grabbing the evidence away afterwards)
Yes, you are right, that video really doesn't justify the spray or violent; given that 30 second of the video.
I THOUGHT it was because of this Prince Edward video: old man in blue defending / fighting other passengers, but it doesn't seem like it, maybe different side of the same train (highly doubt it)?
9 out of 10 people are there to protest (safe / peaceful / gathering with families, fighting for HK), then there are those (usually top 1 %) who are throwing fire bombs at the cops.
I'm hearing news that the cops beat up some people, tossed tear gas in there, and locked the station preventing escape. Rescuers were begging (and crying) and pleading the cops to open the doors so that they could help people. Is there a source to this?
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The blood curdling scream as he tries in vain to protect his loved one... That actually makes me sick to the stomach.
Disgusting abuse of power by the HK Popo! A bunch of fucking thugs!
They should not be wearing a police badge after what they did to those commuters on the subway.
The incident happened at the Prince Edward Subway station in Kowloon, Hong Kong on the 31st of August 2019. Prince Edward station is far away from the protest venue, which is in Hong Kong island. There have been reports that the police arrived the scene after the train company called the police that someone was attacking the citizens. (news media later reported that it was a blue shirt elder attacking citizens with a hammer). The police then stormed in and use batons and pepper sprays to attack everybody with a surgical mask on or look remotely like a protestor.
Background: There was a massive protest in several districts of HK on the night of August 31th. Since the government in HK tried to push forward the extradition law that would have allowed extradition from Hong Kong to mainland China in early 2019, HK citizens have been protesting for months since June 2019.
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