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I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. Since you say you are proud of China, but at the same time despise them for what they did to your family. As anyone would. China becoming a super power definitely makes me proud to be Chinese, no doubt about it. But it's worrying how it's turning into a dystopian state. I can only hope that with economic freedoms, it relaxes it's grip on societal freedoms, as history has shown in other countries. As with other dominant countries through out history, some really bad shit had to go down for unity before things got better. |
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That's why the typical every day Mainland China person, who is just a regular good person, thinks outrageous things like this. They think all the marches in Hong Kong on Handover day are in support of China. They think the petitions being signed are to show support for the bill. They think any dissent is due to direct influence from the West. This is why I would never, ever argue with a mainland person. It's like arguing with a Christian about religion. There's no point. There's no logic. That's why someone who grew up in an environment of open education and free information can have opinions on communism vs democracy, but someone in a closed system can't really. It's also why I am extra disappointed when I see some people in here ignorantly supporting the communists, beyond just being pragmatic about it (the way threezero is). It's embarrassing to see a Canadian think that way. Badhobz should be ashamed of himself. |
HK should just break off and declare independence. Use that million+ population to good use. Get support from all the asian community around the world. If Kosovo can do it with less population, HK should be able do. If all else fails, at least have died trying. |
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Im worried too that it'll all just blow up once the money stops flowing. Thats really the only way Xi and his ilk can stay in power. As long as the money flows and people are getting wealthy, they'll ignore all the other issues around them. As Deng said, it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice, then it's a good cat. They've internalized this philosophy to the extent where the average citizen has given up almost everything of social value to pursue materialism. Thats a huge CCP failing. Look at what they did to the historic sites around the 3 gorges dam. That's thousands of years of Chinese history carelessly flooded to provide electricity to fund more materialism. That's the real friggin crime. We are sacrificing our own cultural identity and history to pursue a western more lifestyle and that's ultimately disastrous in a nation of 1.5 billion. |
3 Gorges is a drop in the bucket compared to the cultural revolution, in terms of wiping out Chinese history. I really don't see China's economic growth stopping. Considering the influence they're projecting globally. The issue now is that they have a aging population and in 30 years, with their birth rate, they might have a labour shortage. I don't think there will ever be a complete disappearance of Chinese culture, we're too damned proud as a people to give it up, no matter how much western influence there is. I think both of us have been taught by our parents what it is to be a Chinese person. |
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I've encountered first hand the great firewall. It's a fucken bitch. Though, in their growth phase, it might be necessary to prevent another civil war. Chinese aggression is a real thing, and I would have no doubt it would set them back the last 50 years if some nut job Chinese decided to oust Xi. Then we're in for a real spiral into depression. TBH, I think a democratic China would pretty much be Taiwan. Taiwanese are one of the most hospitable and nice people I've met. Their kindness is legendary. They do have a lot of discord between parties and groups, but they're economically well off. Albeit, with help from the United States. It's weird, because US doesn't even recognize Taiwan as an independent country, but a part of China. |
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The massive project [3 gorges] sets records for number of people displaced (more than 1.2 million), number of cities and towns flooded (13 cities, 140 towns, 1,350 villages), and length of reservoir (more than 600 kilometers). vs In a newly published biography of Mao Zedong by two UK authors, the estimated totality of death is discussed: “at least 3 million people died violent deaths and post-Mao leaders acknowledged that 100 million people, one-ninth of the entire population, suffered in one way or another” In addition to the targeted book, artifact, and temple destruction of the revolution. Just saying. Though, I will agree that both are a significant sacrifice in the pursuit of modernization. |
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Western Freedoms Spoiler! Lastly Hong Kong is an Anglo Zionist pawn nation. Pro Hong Kong members are not much different from brainwashed Americans who come from a terrorist nation but think they live in the most righteous and free nation on earth. |
Do I have to ban you from this thread too? |
Cant bring facts to the table to win your argument? |
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'Murrica delivers freedom and liberty to countries in the form of tanks, drone strikes, and ninja missiles. :lol now gtfo! |
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Also, this isn't a country, it's a private forum with rules people agree to when they come in here. |
It's just Charles being Charles. I agree with skinny here. |
doesn't matter what it is, with CIC it's always the zionists. |
And just like that, thread derailed. That's why I normally ban him from these threads. It's just nonsense |
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How would you feel if you woke up every morning worried about whether or not a Chinese official would come to your door to take you away because you wrote an article criticizing the government? The cultural norms and values between the countries are too different. Do you understand why the people of Hong Kong don't want to associate themselves with Mainland China? It's instances like these. Hong Kong and China doesn't speak the same language, use the same currency or drive on the same side of the road. I'll continue to acknowledge both as separate countries. |
Here you go ... for anyone who wants to 'do something about this'. Sat 11:00 China consulate on Granville. http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...y-in-vancouver |
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How would you know that? Most who do support Hong Kong in China either get hidden, jailed or immigrate (Just look at all the activist lawyers who have disappeared in the past few years). The popular opinion in China is based on CCP's control. 30 years is 30 years. But what China is doing is trying to fast track the change in 3 weeks. Once this bill is passed, most are certain they will try to fast track Article 23 too. The extradition bill will inevitably be passed, but not at this time. |
Badhobz, I think your primary issue is that you are a pacifist/opportunist... and there is nothing inherently wrong with that unless you also believe everyone else should be the same or assist in the changing of others to your belief structure. Many people would rather die than be oppressed. That is their right. Lots of people could have laid down in France or Netherlands or Poland during WW1 and WW2 and just accepted their German oppressors were stronger than them and that it's better to live under the Nazi regime as long as they were alive. I'm sure lots of people did decide to learn German and salute a monster. But many others decided to put their lives on the line and many of them died for what they believed in... and the rest of the world eventually woke up and realized what was happening too and decided to intervene on the side of justice. It might be too bad for HK because they legally do belong to China so the international community would have a hard time seeing it as an "invasion" per-say... and that is the ONLY leg Taiwan has to stand on. Taiwan wouldn't last a proverbial 5 minutes in a military fight with China, but you can damn well bet Europe, Australia and North America would be there immediately and China would have its hands extremely full at that point. The problem with choosing to live in an oppressive regime with loose human rights fundamentals is that 99% of the time you might be "okay" as long as you don't stick out too much or colour outside the lines at all... keep a low profile and "don't do anything wrong"... but what do you do when the line for what's right/wrong shifts without any warning and you happen to be standing on the wrong side of the line that particular day? What if someone doesn't like you and frames you? Every day of your life in a place like China is essentially a reverse lottery where the "winner" gets scooped up by the government and disappeared. Every day there's some chance that could be you... that's the reality of living in a place where there is no Charter of Rights and Freedoms and things like due process and burden of proof simply do not exist. |
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