Hong Kong extradition protests

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Gong show at Aberdeen ... I mean the one in Richmond, not HK.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

If China is so great, then why the fuck are you in Canada? Go fuck off back to China

[StylinRed]

What is something going on at Aberdeen today?

Originally Posted by Ch28

It makes no sense whatsoever.

If China is so great, then why the fuck are you in Canada? Go fuck off back to China

That line of thinking makes no sense either though. If you think some place is great, you can't go anywhere else? wtf

[whitev70r]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1798069&jwsource=cl

Tensions in Metro Vancouver over the situation in Hong Kong continued Saturday, with Mounties keeping pro- and anti-Hong Kong demonstrators separated at a SkyTrain station in Richmond.

Witnesses say the RCMP kept the pro-China and pro-Hong Kong groups physically separated as they faced off at the Aberdeen Canada Line station, where supporters of Hong Kong had rebuilt a so-called "Lennon Wall" featuring messages of solidarity with pro-democracy protesters.

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[twitchyzero]

more press caught in the ridiculous crossfire
good job on the mollies guys...keep them coming at innocents
at least the journalists know what they're getting themselves into, unlike the seniors that have their lungs choked out by the hooligans

[StylinRed]

Wow I guess they didn't know about our anti mask laws

It would have been hilarious if both sides sang the Canadian national anthem, instead of one side singing the Chinese one

[SpeedStars]

Is it wrong to think that these public displays have no reason for them to be in Canada? Other than drumming up support for either party, Canada itself is not involved nor would Canada have any effect on the demands of either party. All we get is some diulaylomo and some ciaonimas coming from both sides while I sip on some lemon tea

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by SpeedStars

Is it wrong to think that these public displays have no reason for them to be in Canada? Other than drumming up support for either party, Canada itself is not involved nor would Canada have any effect on the demands of either party. All we get is some diulaylomo and some ciaonimas coming from both sides while I sip on some lemon tea

The whole world is affected by China's tyranny in some way. In some sectors it's a little, in some it's a lot. Other countries are having issues as well. And BTW I don't mean immigration, so others around here, don't bother trying to put intolerant words in my mouth.

This isn't a small deal. This isn't JUST about the extradition bill. It's not JUST about police brutality. It's not JUST about human rights violations. China is moving towards a very dangerous, aggressive path that the free world will need to deal with eventually. I think the sooner, the better. They've already practically "bought off" much of Africa, so they now "control" basically most of the world's population. That might not mean much now, but it might in the future.

[SkinnyPupp]

There are calls from a segment of the protesters to "readjust" their methodology, the argument being that they are getting too widespread with the vandalism and violence. They believe there are agents provocateurs not only out on the streets, but online as well, provoking regular protesters to be more violent. I think this is a great idea, and I hope it's effective.

The use of fire in particular bothers me. Go ahead and "refurbish" triad dens and deface maxims if you want. Beat up idiots who come at you with knives, axes, and bamboo poles (normally I'd say call the cops, but come on). Smash taxi cars that try to kill dozens of people by driving straight through them. But don't fucking use fire.

I hope they take things down a notch or two.

[SkinnyPupp]

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[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

Not sure on the validity of this, but protesters set fire to a store, with seniors living upstairs who had to be hospitalized due to smoke inhalation

https://twitter.com/timdayipper/stat...79642390478854


And protesters are blocking the fire department from attending fires now

BTW I looked into this incident for more info, and the only thing I could find was that it was police tear gas that caused it, not a fire in a 360 mart, and fascist social media accounts made up the story.

At this point there is absolutely no way to tell who is telling the truth. This particular tweet is from a fascist shill who is just tweeting a screenshot, so we obviously can't just take his word on it (edit: actually he deleted his twitter), considering the screenshot he's tweeting could also be a fascist account putting out "fake news"

I stand by my point that fire should not be used though. Whether this happened or not, it easily could if they try burning down these triad shops.

[StylinRed]

This is what ppl should be protesting
Edit: whoops wrong link
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9144721.html

China accused of genocide over forced abortions of Uighur Muslim women as escapees reveal widespread sexual torture
Such abuses aimed at curbing women’s ability to reproduce are common in Xinjiang, experts say

I wonder sometimes if China is allowing the HK protests to go on because it takes attention away from what's going on in Xinjiang

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

https://twitter.com/chahongkong/stat...00803726716928

Eh... Come on hands are going to be going everywhere when dealing with a struggling suspect

And as feminists would say their chests are the same as men's chests, stop sexualizing it

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

That line of thinking makes no sense either though. If you think some place is great, you can't go anywhere else? wtf

Hong Kong supports democracy
China supports communism & dictatorship control

People supporting Hong Kong = people supporting the rule of democracy like the rest of the free world

People supporting China = delusional morons that think communism under the dictatorship rule of Winnie the Pooh is superior

Mainlanders supporting communism in a DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY is fucking ludicrous. If you think democracy is so bad and communism is #1 then why the fuck are you living and leeching off of all the things that make a democratic society so good?

Jesus christ, are you that fucking stupid that you need someone to spell it out for you?

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by SpeedStars

Is it wrong to think that these public displays have no reason for them to be in Canada? Other than drumming up support for either party, Canada itself is not involved nor would Canada have any effect on the demands of either party. All we get is some diulaylomo and some ciaonimas coming from both sides while I sip on some lemon tea

a fortnight away from a federal election and people choose to spend a nice sunday afternoon dishing out diu's & tsao's

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by Ch28

Hong Kong supports democracy
China supports communism & dictatorship control

People supporting Hong Kong = people supporting the rule of democracy like the rest of the free world

People supporting China = delusional morons that think communism under the dictatorship rule of Winnie the Pooh is superior

Mainlanders supporting communism in a DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY is fucking ludicrous. If you think democracy is so bad and communism is #1 then why the fuck are you living and leeching off of all the things that make a democratic society so good?

Jesus christ, are you that fucking stupid that you need someone to spell it out for you?

None of that matters... People are still allowed to travel anywhere they want in the world, and voice their opinions

Getting angry that ppl don't share your views to the point youre telling them to 'go back where they came from' is fucking insane

[Razor Ramon HG]

GM of the Houston Rockets tweeted in support of Hong Kong and now the team is basically banned in all of China. Companies are killing ties with the Rockets, e.g. Tencent will no longer air digital games. Even Chinese basketball forums have removed the Rockets sections. Keep in mind, the Houston Rockets was the team that Yao Ming played for his entire career and he's one of the biggest NBA ambassadors ever in the country.

Taiwanese people know first-hand for decades how the Chinese government has been bullying them, now the Western world can see for themselves just how ridiculous things are. Unless people stand up to the CCP, things can only get worse as they exert influence into our every day lives.

[whitev70r]

Here is where the logic of democracy presents a quandry.

One of the pillars of democracy is freedom of speech, religion, beliefs and by implication, different political views. So to conclude that in a democratic society, you cannot hold a particular opposing political view (even if it is communism) means that you are essentially a dictator, the very thing you oppose.

In other words, in a democratic country, you have the right to believe in communism. AND you have the right to live there. Yes, you do. This is simple grade 9 political science.

[twdm]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Here is where the logic of democracy presents a quandry.

One of the pillars of democracy is freedom of speech, religion, beliefs and by implication, different political views. So to conclude that in a democratic society, you cannot hold a particular opposing political view (even if it is communism) means that you are essentially a dictator, the very thing you oppose.

In other words, in a democratic country, you have the right to believe in communism. AND you have the right to live there. Yes, you do. This is simple grade 9 political science.

Yes, you have the right to believe in communism. You also have the right to believe in anti vax, the spaghetti god, and the flat earth theory. It doesn't mean I can't think you're an idiot and should go back to China.

Believes that the abolition of personal rights and freedom of speech is best for society but decides to live in a country that guarantees those freedoms. Hurrr durrr

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG

GM of the Houston Rockets tweeted in support of Hong Kong and now the team is basically banned in all of China. Companies are killing ties with the Rockets, e.g. Tencent will no longer air digital games. Even Chinese basketball forums have removed the Rockets sections. Keep in mind, the Houston Rockets was the team that Yao Ming played for his entire career and he's one of the biggest NBA ambassadors ever in the country.

Taiwanese people know first-hand for decades how the Chinese government has been bullying them, now the Western world can see for themselves just how ridiculous things are. Unless people stand up to the CCP, things can only get worse as they exert influence into our every day lives.

To your second point, apparently the Taiwan flag has been removed from the apple keyboard in the latest ios in HK and Macau (it's always been missing in China of course). I think it will still show the emoji, but there's not an easy way to use it from the keyboard itself, unlike other flags

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

Eh... Come on hands are going to be going everywhere when dealing with a struggling suspect

And as feminists would say their chests are the same as men's chests, stop sexualizing it

Point 1, I totally agree, it's possible that hands slip while making arrests. However I absolutely disagree that this case was a coincidence. You can see a pinching and grabbing motion, and then with the other hand as she tries to protect herself.

To me this is a case of a cop assaulting her, making her feel violated. I have no idea what she did to get arrested, but to me this looks like it goes beyond a normal arrest.

As for your second point, I don't think this is the thread to get into that... You can go argue that somewhere else lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Here is where the logic of democracy presents a quandry.

One of the pillars of democracy is freedom of speech, religion, beliefs and by implication, different political views. So to conclude that in a democratic society, you cannot hold a particular opposing political view (even if it is communism) means that you are essentially a dictator, the very thing you oppose.

In other words, in a democratic country, you have the right to believe in communism. AND you have the right to live there. Yes, you do. This is simple grade 9 political science.

Agreed, but at the same time, if you believe in fascism and want to spread fascism in Canada: fuck you.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not really protest related, but police related (or is it airport security?). Be sure to have your speakers on to hear the exasperation in the driver's voice as he informs this idiot that he has a dashcam

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[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

The whole world is affected by China's tyranny in some way. In some sectors it's a little, in some it's a lot. Other countries are having issues as well. And BTW I don't mean immigration, so others around here, don't bother trying to put intolerant words in my mouth.

This isn't a small deal. This isn't JUST about the extradition bill. It's not JUST about police brutality. It's not JUST about human rights violations. China is moving towards a very dangerous, aggressive path that the free world will need to deal with eventually. I think the sooner, the better. They've already practically "bought off" much of Africa, so they now "control" basically most of the world's population. That might not mean much now, but it might in the future.

Little too late. Must of Europe, Canada, US, Africa, Tons of Asia is already bought off/in China's pocket.

Look at all the theaters in US and Canada (AMC ) is already bought by Chinese company. In recent years there have been more and more Chinese movies being shown in US and Canada. It started with HK movies and then some good Chinese made movies like The farewell (which was really good btw) now to this stupid My people my country movie. That's just one small example. So many of our business are being bought (farms, supermarkets, clothings, hardware, gas, oil rigs etc etc) by Chinese company yet the gov does nothing.

So who is going to stop or challenge when most of the world country is already in China's pocket or are too busy with their own affairs (Brexit for example).

Edit: Even my wife was disgusted with how the Chinese gov act sometimes and she is from Beijing. She is even more surprise that the movie My people my country was aired in Vancouver and so many people actually go see it.

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by twdm

Yes, you have the right to believe in communism. You also have the right to believe in anti vax, the spaghetti god, and the flat earth theory. It doesn't mean I can't think you're an idiot and should go back to China.

Believes that the abolition of personal rights and freedom of speech is best for society but decides to live in a country that guarantees those freedoms. Hurrr durrr

So by your logic, a Canadian citizen who chooses to live and work in China (for whatever reason) is an idiot and should go back to Canada?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Little too late. Must of Europe, Canada, US, Africa, Tons of Asia is already bought off/in China's pocket.

Look at all the theaters in US and Canada (AMC ) is already bought by Chinese company. In recent years there have been more and more Chinese movies being shown in US and Canada. It started with HK movies and then some good Chinese made movies like The farewell (which was really good btw) now to this stupid My people my country movie. That's just one small example. So many of our business are being bought (farms, supermarkets, clothings, hardware, gas, oil rigs etc etc) by Chinese company yet the gov does nothing.

So who is going to stop or challenge when most of the world country is already in China's pocket or are too busy with their own affairs (Brexit for example).

Edit: Even my wife was disgusted with how the Chinese gov act sometimes and she is from Beijing. She is even more surprise that the movie My people my country was aired in Vancouver and so many people actually go see it.

EU, USA, and Canada are still democratic countries. They can try to 'buy off' politicians, but they will be found out and if things get bad enough, people will turn against them and be forceful the other way. Maybe a bit harder in some countries than others. Trump is just trying to use everything for his own benefit, Warren wants to go hard against China. I'm not sure what Bernie's stance is, or Biden though.

As for showing movies, I mean where there's a big immigrant population, there will be things that cater to them. I doubt they show many China movies in saskatoon. It really sucks when you see nationalist propaganda movies being screened, but America has been doing that for years, and Canadians buy it right up. I was pretty disturbed at a young age by movies like Independence Day for instance.

(these are minor affairs but I get what you're saying)

As for who is going to challenge, hopefully everyone. The more pressure they put on the world, the more they will have to fight back. It might continue to be in a subtle way, who knows. We might be all long gone before anything happens, and it's our kids who have to worry about it. I'm glad your wife has opened her eyes. There are TONS of mainland people who aren't just fascists or even just blindly nationalist

Not saying they'll all become freedom fighters, but I think people need to be careful of lumping up groups together. I think any reasonable middle class person, whether they're from China or HK or Canada, should be disgusted by the displays of nationalism using luxury sports cars and throwing money at people who are protesting.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by Razor Ramon HG

GM of the Houston Rockets tweeted in support of Hong Kong and now the team is basically banned in all of China. Companies are killing ties with the Rockets, e.g. Tencent will no longer air digital games. Even Chinese basketball forums have removed the Rockets sections. Keep in mind, the Houston Rockets was the team that Yao Ming played for his entire career and he's one of the biggest NBA ambassadors ever in the country.

Taiwanese people know first-hand for decades how the Chinese government has been bullying them, now the Western world can see for themselves just how ridiculous things are. Unless people stand up to the CCP, things can only get worse as they exert influence into our every day lives.

NBA, the team, the coach etc have all changed their tune

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49956385

Didn't think they made enough money to care from China, but I guess not