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Yes, you have the right to believe in communism. You also have the right to believe in anti vax, the spaghetti god, and the flat earth theory. It doesn't mean I can't think you're an idiot and should go back to China.
Believes that the abolition of personal rights and freedom of speech is best for society but decides to live in a country that guarantees those freedoms. Hurrr durrr
The longest running party in Canada (aside from the liberals)
Mind boggling, isn't it? After all those millions controlled, slaughtered and starved to death wherever it's reared its head.
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Little too late. Must of Europe, Canada, US, Africa, Tons of Asia is already bought off/in China's pocket.
Look at all the theaters in US and Canada (AMC ) is already bought by Chinese company. In recent years there have been more and more Chinese movies being shown in US and Canada. It started with HK movies and then some good Chinese made movies like The farewell (which was really good btw) now to this stupid My people my country movie. That's just one small example. So many of our business are being bought (farms, supermarkets, clothings, hardware, gas, oil rigs etc etc) by Chinese company yet the gov does nothing.
If you guys haven't watched it already, the latest South Park episode literally makes fun of Disney and the rest of Hollywood for pleasing China among other ongoing topics. They called it "Band in China" and guess what, it's banned in China now.
And in case anyone wasn't aware, China is so butthurt that the original jacket of Maverick from Top Gun had the Japanese and Taiwanese flags that they removed it in the upcoming sequel.
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Mind boggling, isn't it? After all those millions controlled, slaughtered and starved to death wherever it's reared its head.
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you mean to tell me this forum is not based in HK?
skinnypupp and the rest of the HK chapter will surely be back in 27 years
I never really planned to stay here OR leave after 2047. I would just it base on the situation (and by then I'd be nearly 70 so who knows wtf is going on then). I first visited here in 2003 and "one country two systems" looked like it was going to work for the most part. There weren't even mandarin announcements on the MTR, or China flags at government buildings back then. Things changed a bit gradually after 2008 or so, and have been more rapid since Xi came into power in 2013. And here we are now.
So by your logic, a Canadian citizen who chooses to live and work in China (for whatever reason) is an idiot and should go back to Canada?
Sorry Hong Kong is not China. At least not if we have anything to say about it. When it one day becomes the shithole that is China, yes I will go back to Canada.
And your comparison is not quite identical. It would rather be like a Canadian citizen who gives up his citizenship for Chinese citizenship and then goes bitches to other chinese people how democracy is so great. In this situation I would give my full support to any chinese who tells you to get the fuck out of their country.
China sure loves getting everyone to hate them. These fuckin loser ass 50 cent army idiots on Twitter/Reddit/FB/IG bombarding comments with stupid shit like nmsl; swarming ESPN reporters for liking that Rockets GM tweet. Smh. The entire r/NBA subreddit is basically anti-Chinese now because of all the bot posts.
With all the bullshit they’re constantly pulling, I can see China inciting more hatred towards Chinese people living in western countries.
yeah okay, blame the Chinese nationalists for shit that hongers started. You idiots in Hong Kong didn’t stir up meaningless shit then there wouldn’t be these pathetic demonstrations all around the word. You idiots brought that shit locally here. We didn’t. Leave that shit in your ruined city. Nobody cares. Don’t bring it here. Why the fuck do you need to setup a Lennon wall here? Go back to Hong Kong and throw firebombs, it’ll be more effective than protesting locally and sowing divide amongst the local Chinese population.
Just because somebody is a nationalist doesn’t mean they support or approve of the current government. Ask any democratic American and they’ll still say America is no1 even though they hate trump and the current administration. You guys are saying all these pro China supporters are brainwashed just like all Americans are brainwashed then? Nobody can display nationalism? I’m in Houston and most of these guys here hate trump. But they love America. That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless. This whole Hong Kong is special bullshit doesn’t sit well with the rest of the country and is ultimately doomed to fail even if China sticks to the agreed upon terms.
That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless.
Wait. So you're proud of China, but not proud enough to actually be Chinese. From your posts, you'd rather live under the warm embrace of the CCP. So which is it? Would you rather be Canadian or Chinese? I'm getting a lot of mixed messages here.
Plus the fact that you would willingly give up your Chinese citizenship has hurt the feelings of 1 billion Chinese.
Yes, you have the right to believe in communism. You also have the right to believe in anti vax, the spaghetti god, and the flat earth theory. It doesn't mean I can't think you're an idiot and should go back to China.
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And your comparison is not quite identical.
Just following your line of reasoning by flipping the circumstances.
If someone believes in a country that guarantees personal freedoms (eg. Canadian) and lives in a society that abolishes personal rights and freedom of speech (eg. China) then they are an idiot and should go back to Canada ...
Just pointing out the kind of sloppy thinking and logic that you and skinnydawg and others who see this conflict as so black and white instead of it being very complex and multi-factoral.
Just because somebody is a nationalist doesn’t mean they support or approve of the current government. Ask any democratic American and they’ll still say America is no1 even though they hate trump and the current administration. You guys are saying all these pro China supporters are brainwashed just like all Americans are brainwashed then? Nobody can display nationalism? I’m in Houston and most of these guys here hate trump. But they love America. That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless. This whole Hong Kong is special bullshit doesn’t sit well with the rest of the country and is ultimately doomed to fail even if China sticks to the agreed upon terms.
Being able to think critically means we can separate and complex ideas and concepts instead of just lumping things into "black/white" or "right/wrong". Nobody is criticizing the amazing progress that China has made economically. But just because they make amazing economic progress doesn't mean they are now immune to criticism, and can do no wrong. Recent protests just goes to show how much underlying societal problems there currently are, not only in HK but all over China that is constantly getting suppressed. If economics is the only thing that mattered, why hasn't the CCP been able to entice the Taiwanese people to join the PRC? You can bet that the Taiwanese people will vote for a pro-independence leader in the coming January general elections while watching the Hong Kong saga unfold. The HK government has firmly displayed to the people that it is unwilling to own up to its mistakes, will take no criticism, and will use force and suppression instead of dialogue and communication.
Hong Kong IS special. It's literally in its name - Special Administrative Region. HK was the place where China wanted to have its cake and eat it too. They wanted to give the region freedom, in order to entice foreign investments and play with the rest of the world.
I think what the Mainlanders fail to realize is that HK is not only fighting for its own freedoms, it's fighting for the freedoms of all 1.34B Chinese people. Do you like living under authoritarian rule? Do you like not having a choice and say in your future, in what's important? Do you want your children to serve their governments, or have the governments serve them? Is expansionist ideals vs personal freedoms more important to you?
Maybe you really don't care about all that. I know plenty of politically apathetic people. But just understand that once you educate your populace, they will want more than just being told what to do. That is because through education you learn about more than just yourself and your immediate surroundings, you learn about history and the world. And smarter people, don't want to repeat the mistakes of their ancestors. This is why you see so many kids gearing up and joining the frontlines to try to do anything they can to cling onto what they currently have.
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I just wanted to add, for those that don't really understand the purpose of the front-line protestors motives and what it really means. None of these kids are under the illusion that they can somehow take on the well equipped police, or the PLA using bicycle helmets and surfboards. The whole purpose of the frontliners is to create just enough problems so that the government and the police needs to respond. And it is through their response, the population (and the world) can see what kind of government HK/CN really is. They are there just there to demonstrate the cracks within the public systems; if the government responds responsibly, owns up to its own failings (some police officers used excessive force in certain situations, we will review our policies regarding detentions and arrests, etc etc) then that will work towards gaining back public trust. You would see frontline protests ramp down. But the government has done the opposite of that, and continued to deny that they have done ANYTHING wrong, anywhere, then you will see the disintegration of trust between the public and the government. In this day and age, any interested parties can watch the livestream to get an unfiltered version of what's happening. But again and again, you will watch the government deny and blatantly lie to the public on what people can see with their own eyes.
You idiots in Hong Kong didn’t stir up meaningless shit then there wouldn’t be these pathetic demonstrations all around the word. You idiots brought that shit locally here.
Any peacefull riot / protest / strikes can be seen a pathetic so I can't agree with you on that. The peaceful marches in HK i support fully 100%, all the vandalism I don't. Remember just months ago, people are marching down the street, voicing their concerns. Now, it's constant news of people burning MTR stations and physical acts of violence.
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You guys are saying all these pro China supporters are brainwashed just like all Americans are brainwashed then? Nobody can display nationalism? I’m in Houston and most of these guys here hate trump. But they love America. That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless.
You are right on this; some are crazy supporter of being american / gun rights but are super sad / ashamed of having Trump as leader.
Yes, there are people who are born in china, made a great deal of money (legally) and are proud of being Chinese. My X is a canadian, and their parents were both teachers in China; they visit Canada every 6 months and stays for 4-5 months as a time. They know fully China has some privacy / freedom issues and they love how they can watch multiple platforms here in Canada to see multiple views of politics.
yeah okay, blame the Chinese nationalists for shit that hongers started. You idiots in Hong Kong didn’t stir up meaningless shit then there wouldn’t be these pathetic demonstrations all around the word. You idiots brought that shit locally here. We didn’t. Leave that shit in your ruined city. Nobody cares. Don’t bring it here. Why the fuck do you need to setup a Lennon wall here? Go back to Hong Kong and throw firebombs, it’ll be more effective than protesting locally and sowing divide amongst the local Chinese population.
Just because somebody is a nationalist doesn’t mean they support or approve of the current government. Ask any democratic American and they’ll still say America is no1 even though they hate trump and the current administration. You guys are saying all these pro China supporters are brainwashed just like all Americans are brainwashed then? Nobody can display nationalism? I’m in Houston and most of these guys here hate trump. But they love America. That’s just like a lot of the Chinese. We love China. We love our history, our culture, and the progress we made. We might not like the current government, but we are proud nevertheless. This whole Hong Kong is special bullshit doesn’t sit well with the rest of the country and is ultimately doomed to fail even if China sticks to the agreed upon terms.
What don't you like about them? Genuinely curious.
Any peacefull riot / protest / strikes can be seen a pathetic so I can't agree with you on that. The peaceful marches in HK i support fully 100%, all the vandalism I don't. Remember just months ago, people are marching down the street, voicing their concerns. Now, it's constant news of people burning MTR stations and physical acts of violence.
This is something I have grappled with myself. But to put things into context, the umbrella movement was already five years ago. 79 days of peaceful occupation protests, nothing happened. We are now 4-5 months into the 2019 protests; 100k people. 500k people. 1M people. 2M people, going out for peaceful demonstrations, and still, the government does nothing to appease the people's demands. The people get nothing but tear gas and riot police suppression in response. At that point, the people asked themselves, what would it take for the government to respond?
I think the tipping point was when there were ~2M people peacefully demonstrating and there was still an inadequate response from the government. This is why, despite HK being one of the safest cities in Asia you are seeing educated young kids doing targeted vandalizing as a way to escalate the situation in order to force the government to respond. And sadly, it was only after the escalation from the frontliners did you see that the government actually declare that they are formally withdrawing the extradition bill on Sept 4th. This actually ended up unifying the peaceful protestors with the frontliners, because the peaceful protestors now saw that without the pressure put on by the frontliners, this would've never happened.
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A bit off topic here.
With the different voting/gov system there are always pros and cons.
Let's look at US and Canada. We get to vote locally/nationally who will lead us in the next 4 years but all the policy/promise the different party makes is so short sighted, just throw money away to get votes and no party really cares for the future of the country beyond their 4 year term. I mean yes I can vote but none of them really does anything good for our country any good in the future (10+ years). I can see some of the policy/directions they put in place might not have immediate effect but it is very good in the long run but no party ever wants to implement them. I would like changing the term longer would help.
Now if you look at China yes they have very limited freedom, basically have to do what gov tells them. But since is a one party system they can implement long term policy/plans/infrastructure which in the long run makes it a better country/place to be in(Hopefully it will be more too like more freedom). Interesting though when China enters UN, USA was the one country to push it forward trying to turn China into the world's factory. Since 2008 China owns the most US nation bond and debt and that's when things started to change for China.
I'm a huge basketball fan, so I'm quite... disturbed and sad when James Harden apologizes for the comment the Rockets GM made?
The apology statement felt like it was only issued soley because China is one of their biggest market right now. So essentially, bowing to where the money is at.
I'm a Chinese born in Hong Kong, with parents born in China, and admist all this, I started wondering to myself, what does someone mean when they're proud that they're "X" ethinicty?
I love my Chinese heritage. I love Chinese culture. I shouldn't be ashamed that I'm born a Chinese, yet there shouldn't be anything I should be proud of either. Should I be proud that I have black hair while other ethnicity doesn't? Should I be proud that I have yellow skin while another ethnicity have dark skin? No. Just like I have no reason to be proud of how tall I am, or how I look, or how much wealth my parents I have.
So when you say you're proud of a certain nationality, you aren't really saying you love the culture heritage, but rather, you're proud of the values they uphold, and the things they have done today and in the past.
We are all just human beings, so why should I be proud that I'm a Chinese, and in so saying, that I'm glad I'm not European or etc?
Curious if anyone know what's the clubbing/drinking scene like in Central now a days?
Honestly the expats and the ultra rich are still living their daily lives in HK. Mid-level, Ktown and SYP have been relatively safe.... the Liason office and PLA army brigade offer the "buffer" zone
This is something I have grappled with myself. But to put things into context, the umbrella movement was already five years ago. 79 days of peaceful occupation protests, nothing happened. We are now 4-5 months into the 2019 protests; 100k people. 500k people. 1M people. 2M people, going out for peaceful demonstrations, and still, the government does nothing to appease the people's demands. The people get nothing but tear gas and riot police suppression in response. At that point, the people asked themselves, what would it take for the government to respond?
I think the tipping point was when there were ~2M people peacefully demonstrating and there was still an inadequate response from the government. This is why, despite HK being one of the safest cities in Asia you are seeing educated young kids doing targeted vandalizing as a way to escalate the situation in order to force the government to respond. And sadly, it was only after the escalation from the frontliners did you see that the government actually declare that they are formally withdrawing the extradition bill on Sept 4th. This actually ended up unifying the peaceful protestors with the frontliners, because the peaceful protestors now saw that without the pressure put on by the frontliners, this would've never happened.
We in Canada are lucky. Other countries had to fight and die for there freedoms.
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Wait. So you're proud of China, but not proud enough to actually be Chinese. From your posts, you'd rather live under the warm embrace of the CCP. So which is it? Would you rather be Canadian or Chinese? I'm getting a lot of mixed messages here.
Plus the fact that you would willingly give up your Chinese citizenship has hurt the feelings of 1 billion Chinese.
The fuck are you talking about. We left for Canada when I was 6 years old. You act like I had a choice in the matter. I grew up here, obviously I’m Canadian and my life is here. But I don’t go around shitting on where I came from.
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