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SkinnyPupp 10-18-2019 02:32 AM

They're not stepping in, so much as changing their own internal policies based on things the chinese government are doing.

Mainly they will look at the advantages HK has as an SAR when dealing with the US. Most countries have special laws that allow HK to be treated differently from the rest of PRC. This is why it's such an important region of china in terms of international business - many can't or won't deal with them directly. The new bill will force them to regularly consider if HK can still be treated with special privileges.

Also it fucks over anyone who violates human rights who then try to have ties with the US, in terms of getting a visa or having financial holdings there.

Other countries are doing this as well, including Malaysia who just today said that they will not be allowing HK Police to apply for residency under their "MM2H" scheme (a way for foreigners to get residency in Malaysia as a second home)

Little by little, China are isolating themselves from the rest of the world. I've been saying this for years, but even I am pretty shocked at how rapidly it seems to be ramping up. They're going to be back int he dark ages of the 1960's and 70's soon enough. Eventually, even being able to watch NBA (or even knowing that those letters stand for) or playing Blizzard games will be a distant memory for their people (unless they try to buy some of these companies outright, but most likely they'd just make their own fake versions)

StylinRed 10-18-2019 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8963432)
Hong Kong citizens get nominated for Nobel Peace Price, China claims this is foreign interference.

FailFish

lol they have a point, that nom is exactly foreign interference. There've been, and are, struggles for freedom all over the world, places facing actual brutal oppression, like Bahrain, and because its against Saudi interests, the world remains silent, Formula 1 even held races while Bahrainis were getting bombed by Saudi Arabia, peaceful protests too mind you.

Not to say there shouldn't be foreign interference, just saying it is

SkinnyPupp 10-18-2019 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 8963436)
lol they have a point, that nom is exactly foreign interference. There've been, and are, struggles for freedom all over the world, places facing actual brutal oppression, like Bahrain, and because its against Saudi interests, the world remains silent, Formula 1 even held races while Bahrainis were getting bombed by Saudi Arabia, peaceful protests too mind you.

Not to say there shouldn't be foreign interference, just saying it is

It's just funny that they're crying about it, that's all. Crying about a nomination, saying that she should be "cautious" for nominating them. The prize is almost always political, so it's kind of a given that the people will be nominated when fighting against fascism.

StylinRed 10-18-2019 02:44 AM

Off topic, but since we mentioned Hollywood capitulation in here, just gonna leave this here

https://image.businessinsider.com/5d...jpeg&auto=webp

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50093028

Dreamworks new animated movie, features a map, showing Asia, and it shows China's version of Asia, which includes their manmade islands and claims to the sea

Yes its getting released in China too

SkinnyPupp 10-18-2019 02:49 AM


HK Police are talking about setting up a new type of official press pass, which will severely limit the amount of press that will be covering the scenes. On one hand I get it, there's a LOT of press out there, and even if they don't always get in the way, they can be an obstruction.

On the other, these minor press people have caught some very important footage of police violence, and it's pretty blatant the real reason behind this. I mean the fact that the cops don't show ID and actively try to obscure the press makes it obvious enough, but now they're really going to try to limit how many eyes are on them, and they will start arresting and/or assaulting most of the press who go out there without these official passes.

SkinnyPupp 10-18-2019 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 8963438)
Off topic, but since we mentioned Hollywood capitulation in here, just gonna leave this here

https://image.businessinsider.com/5d...jpeg&auto=webp

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50093028

Dreamworks new animated movie, features a map, showing Asia, and it shows China's version of Asia, which includes their manmade islands and claims to the sea

Yes its getting released in China too

Because the alternative is this. When Dior used a legitimate map that doesn't include Taiwan as part of China, they cried, and Dior capitulated. Dreamworks just said that China is more important to them than their domestic audience and the rest of the world.

StylinRed 10-18-2019 02:55 AM

I can understand that, given the suspected amount of ppl claiming to be press (bloggers at best) but as the HK journalists association stated, anyone can be considered press, and cover the protests, there are only stringent rules for covering gov't press conferences etc.

So I wonder if press passes will be passed out to anybody who applies? And the police are just hoping the act of applying will deter... Less formal journalists

StylinRed 10-18-2019 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8963440)
Because the alternative is this. When Dior used a legitimate map that doesn't include Taiwan as part of China, they cried, and Dior capitulated. Dreamworks just said that China is more important to them than their domestic audience and the rest of the world.

With the movie, I didn't realize it was an actual co production with Chinese studios, and it's set in China... Still tho ehh

But the article you just linked, wow it mentions a tonne of brands that have had to capitulate, all regarding territorial representation, not a surprise tho, China must account for 90% of their sales, but damn

CP.AR 10-18-2019 03:38 AM

I logged into RS for the first time in over half a year... to try to get some escape from the shitstorm here in HK (my facebook, IG is flooded).

And alas...
First thread i click into is about the protests.
diu

SkinnyPupp 10-18-2019 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 8963442)
With the movie, I didn't realize it was an actual co production with Chinese studios, and it's set in China... Still tho ehh

But the article you just linked, wow it mentions a tonne of brands that have had to capitulate, all regarding territorial representation, not a surprise tho, China must account for 90% of their sales, but damn

Practically every movie is a co-production with Chinese studios now - they have to be in order to be able to be screened there.

Mr.HappySilp 10-18-2019 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8963445)
Practically every movie is a co-production with Chinese studios now - they have to be in order to be able to be screened there.

Really depends on the storyline. Movies like Joker will never be air in China no matter what. The topics are just too sensitive. When I was in China I happen to be channel flipping and caught terminator genisys playing on TV and on man the editing and cut scene was awful. They literally cut every scene that have police being shoot at (IE when T-1000 turn into a cop that whole scene was deleted coz they didn't want anyone to have the idea of shooting the cops). Because of all the scene was being cut the movies made no sense at times.

SkinnyPupp 10-18-2019 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 8963438)
Off topic, but since we mentioned Hollywood capitulation in here, just gonna leave this here

https://image.businessinsider.com/5d...jpeg&auto=webp

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50093028

Dreamworks new animated movie, features a map, showing Asia, and it shows China's version of Asia, which includes their manmade islands and claims to the sea

Yes its getting released in China too

The Philippines has pulled “Abominable” from theaters because the US-Chinese-made movie showed the controversial “nine-dash” line map supporting Beijing’s claims to nearly all of the South China Sea.

Hondaracer 10-18-2019 05:30 PM

Just kind of half ass reading some of this shit makes fucking Russia seem like the tolerant west lol.. how ass backwards can you get

SkinnyPupp 10-18-2019 05:58 PM

https://i.imgur.com/qtsHjXv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aXrcF3q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XMgToNi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BCNxrCv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/luO7Ry4.jpg


Masked human chains stretched throughout the city last night both on the island and kowloon. Halloween preview? Several thousand people, young, old, families with their kids. All masked in an illegal assembly.

Cops didn't show up, and no violence occurred :considered:

SkinnyPupp 10-18-2019 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8963439)
https://twitter.com/galileocheng/sta...40213745160192

HK Police are talking about setting up a new type of official press pass, which will severely limit the amount of press that will be covering the scenes. On one hand I get it, there's a LOT of press out there, and even if they don't always get in the way, they can be an obstruction.

On the other, these minor press people have caught some very important footage of police violence, and it's pretty blatant the real reason behind this. I mean the fact that the cops don't show ID and actively try to obscure the press makes it obvious enough, but now they're really going to try to limit how many eyes are on them, and they will start arresting and/or assaulting most of the press who go out there without these official passes.


Looks like they're backing off

Although I question her definition of "facilitating the press"

https://cpj.org/hk_stand-news_09-30-2019_rs.jpg

StylinRed 10-19-2019 12:48 AM

After mere days of protests a sate of emergency has been issued in Santiago, Chile, as student protesters become violent, and destroy subway stations, clash with police, and set fire to buses/stations, due to fare price increases

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50106743

Somewhat similar to HK with frustration boilingdue to an increasing wealth gap

Quote:

The unrest exposes divisions in the country, one of Latin America's wealthiest but also one of its most unequal. There have been growing complaints about the cost of living - especially in Santiago, a city of some six million people - and calls for economic reforms.

...

Speaking on television, President Sebastián Piñera said the aim of the state of emergency was to "ensure public order and the safety of public and private property". The measure allows authorities to restrict people's freedom of movement and their right to assembly.

...

Speaking to Radio Agricultural earlier, President Piñera said: "It's one thing to demonstrate and another to commit the vandalism we have observed. This isn't protest, it's crime."

It was not immediately clear how many people had been detained or injured. Despite the protests, authorities said they would not reverse the fare increase.

SkinnyPupp 10-19-2019 01:40 AM

The whole world has the same problem, where like 1% of the population holds 99% of the wealth.

As for the topic, tomorrow's march is being denied. They're closing down all the public services in TST (museum, science center, even Kowloon park) at noon. So you know they plan on sending riot cops in there to crack skulls.

Also HKU, the oldest university here, voted overwhelmingly to remove Carrie Lam as a chancellor. Some fascists already spoke out and said they plan on fighting this in court (the statement itself is non binding, just speaks of their intent)


This should give you an idea of how HK people would vote for her, if they could

twdm 10-19-2019 04:16 AM

A dude just got carved open with a large knife by a CCP shitbag.

https://www.facebook.com/16482462021...8928/?sfnsn=mo

Just note probably NSFW.

I mean it's as if they want the protestors to kill all those fuckers. I'd suggest any pro-ccp stooges to hide tomorrow because if someone triggers the mob, it's gonna be taxi man part 2. Except this time they'll actually bash their brains out.

StylinRed 10-19-2019 06:16 AM

a 22yr old stabbed a 19yr old handing out leaflets, his friend who was handing our leaflets with him, said the suspect had walked by him, yelling about protesters ruining HK, then headed towards his friend.

Suspect got in a taxi, and left, but police arrested himafterwards

SkinnyPupp 10-19-2019 08:53 PM



A long day is about to begin. If the cops would just stay away, people would just do their march peacefully. There have been smaller ones two nights in a row, with no issues, because the cops stayed back.

But here they are with their loudspeakers and signs, closing stations, getting their tear gas and pepper spray and water cannons ready FailFish

SkinnyPupp 10-19-2019 11:08 PM

Beijing using S Asians to attack protesters and trying to create a divide between the races is certainly backfiring on them. If anything, previously "racist" HKers (I use quotes because they're rarely malicious about it) are finally realizing that they're in the same situation their S Asian brothers and sisters always were. This is making the community tighter than ever.





SkinnyPupp 10-20-2019 01:55 AM


Cops rolled through with the dye cannon, and vandalized the mosque when no protesters were in the area (only some press members)



Afterward, protesters came back to help clean up

China has been putting pressure on the S Asian community in the last week, and this is just the latest attempt. Of course it's failing along with everything else they do.

threezero 10-20-2019 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8963435)
They're not stepping in, so much as changing their own internal policies based on things the chinese government are doing.

Mainly they will look at the advantages HK has as an SAR when dealing with the US. Most countries have special laws that allow HK to be treated differently from the rest of PRC. This is why it's such an important region of china in terms of international business - many can't or won't deal with them directly. The new bill will force them to regularly consider if HK can still be treated with special privileges.

Also it fucks over anyone who violates human rights who then try to have ties with the US, in terms of getting a visa or having financial holdings there.

Other countries are doing this as well, including Malaysia who just today said that they will not be allowing HK Police to apply for residency under their "MM2H" scheme (a way for foreigners to get residency in Malaysia as a second home)

Little by little, China are isolating themselves from the rest of the world. I've been saying this for years, but even I am pretty shocked at how rapidly it seems to be ramping up. They're going to be back int he dark ages of the 1960's and 70's soon enough. Eventually, even being able to watch NBA (or even knowing that those letters stand for) or playing Blizzard games will be a distant memory for their people (unless they try to buy some of these companies outright, but most likely they'd just make their own fake versions)

There is rules and sanction the government put on China. And than there is the reality of economic….

Sadly when it comes to making money, morality is often brushed aside.

Seeing how big companies is responding to topic that is delicate to China. Everybody clearly wants China's money at whatever cause it may be.

The Scariest effect of this whole HK ordeal, might just be HK loosing its special status for international business. HK was necessary portal for China when the west wanted the Chinese money without playing by the Chinese rules. It seems like the tide is changing. Obviously things like banking and the financial sector would still benefit from HK's distinction from China, but there isn't really any special advantage for other sectors, especially for international companies that will clearly bend backwards for China.

Luxury store are looking to pull out of the region as early as first quarter of 2020. International Business with branches in HK is closing shop/moving one by one.

Business as an entity value stability over all else, democracy is not even on the list of their priority. Looks like Singapore is going to be the biggest winner of the whole sega. Hong Kong's authoritative westernize asian brother is suddenly looking even more interesting now for companies that has an interested in Asia.

Perhaps in two years time. There will still be protest on the street on HK, except it will be about lack of employment, quality of living and the abysmal outlook for the region economically.

The city cannot survive on the financial sector alone, once the rest of the money completely dries up. the Financial sector will too. I guess the city can survive on state own business. But will people bow their head and accept that they must be state slaves after protesting against this very thing?

If the protest keeps it, it is just a matter of time when HK completely loses its special statue to the rest of the world. Perhaps not on a policy standpoint, but base on the reality of economics…...

SkinnyPupp 10-20-2019 05:31 PM

The protests must continue. HK is ruined either way. They might as well ruin it for the billionaires if their home is ruined anyway LUL

SkinnyPupp 10-20-2019 05:31 PM


Police are completely out of control. Once again they take a parting shot as they ran off, just like they did with the Indonesian press member. No regard for human life at all, just taking pot shots because... who the fuck knows why. They are completely out of control.

I think disbanding the police force may become a new demand. If they can't do an inquiry they may need to blow the whole thing up.


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