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That wins hearts, that wins support, the police won't be able to keep that up without losing international support
When the hearts of who? Last time there where peaceful protests, china ran people over with tanks. Peaceful protests don't work. Look at Tibet. Tons of peaceful protests around the world and even a major concerts with hundreds of thousands of people attending. Still nothing has changed.
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Here's one thing the protesters need to stop targeting NOW. Attacking the law courts goes completely against what they're fighting for. Judges have yet to show they've been corrupted by the Chinese government. Resist the fascists, terrorists, corrupt police, triads, etc. But come on...
What's your alternative to peaceful protests (which haven't worked and are no longer allowed) and financial blocking which is what you're against here?
As for the cop shooting the protester, we don't need to go back and forth.. the video is there, draw your own conclusions. It doesn't matter what you or I think. Obviously it's not a good idea to walk towards someone pointing a gun at you, but it's REALLY wrong to point a gun at someone and shoot people. If you debate that, it means you support shooting everyone you see who is doing something you don't like, even if they aren't threatening you or anyone else at the time.
What's interesting is that for all the daily misuse of tear gas and abuse of force, trying to get protesters to stop blocking traffic is the MOST justifiable way to use it. But instead of that we had a couple cowboy cops march in with guns. (and if you hadn't noticed, this was pretty much the first time we've seen traffic cops have an altercation with protesters who are already in place. The result: one protester shot, several other run over by a cop on a motorcycle).
Hmm, I'm not entirely sure where exactly from my post did you believe I'm debating whether it's ok for the cop to draw his gun in public.
I think I've made it clear already, "Don't get me wrong, I think it's ridiculous that the cop pulled out his gun amongst a crowd of citizen."?
My point is, why, why, is the protester walking into a cop with a drawn gun? There was no debate on whether the cop should've drawn his gun or not. He absolutely shouldn't. But why, and what was the protester hoping to achieve?
Maybe this is ridiculous, can the 5 demands be met under the table? Meaning, protesters call off the demands and protest, and the government comes out publicly to address them on their own will (or at least outwardly it looks that way).
Government will on their own will launch an investigation on police brutality. Have Carrie Lam step down herself due to some illness or resignation due to stress.
But releasing arrested citizen and granting more democratic freedom? Maybe slowly, but probably impossible immediately.
Either way, this would require massive amount of trust on both sides that they will carry through with their words, which is lacking these days.
Hmm, I'm not entirely sure where exactly from my post did you believe I'm debating whether it's ok for the cop to draw his gun in public.
I think I've made it clear already, "Don't get me wrong, I think it's ridiculous that the cop pulled out his gun amongst a crowd of citizen."?
My point is, why, why, is the protester walking into a cop with a drawn gun? There was no debate on whether the cop should've drawn his gun or not. He absolutely shouldn't. But why, and what was the protester hoping to achieve?
Maybe this is ridiculous, can the 5 demands be met under the table? Meaning, protesters call off the demands and protest, and the government comes out publicly to address them on their own will (or at least outwardly it looks that way).
Government will on their own will launch an investigation on police brutality. Have Carrie Lam step down herself due to some illness or resignation due to stress.
But releasing arrested citizen and granting more democratic freedom? Maybe slowly, but probably impossible immediately.
Either way, this would require massive amount of trust on both sides that they will carry through with their words, which is lacking these days.
Again we're just going back and forth.. Was it smart to swat at the gun? No. Was it smart to walk towards unarmed people with a gun, taking a hostage? No. But what are the results of this? A person was shot... And also it adds more fuel to the fire of anger.
And that's that. What more can you say?
As for under the table negotiations, I don't think that's feasible... A government led investigation into the police would not ever be accepted - it has to be completely independent.
I think most of the arrested people are being let go without charges. It's really up to the judges, which is why it sucks that people are attacking the courts. The judges are the one free thing HK has (something that China wants to replace BTW, which is why they need to keep fighting)
This person is a "Democracy activist" and HK student leader who is a spokes person for a number of " protest" movement groups. Concerning to say the least if she represents the majority of the rioters.
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When the hearts of who? Last time there where peaceful protests, china ran people over with tanks. Peaceful protests don't work. Look at Tibet. Tons of peaceful protests around the world and even a major concerts with hundreds of thousands of people attending. Still nothing has changed.
Unfortunately with a lot of places in the world, their protests simply won't matter, that may be due to a lack of coverage, or lack of financial clout, etc.
Like Bahrain for example, no coverage, and no economic power.
Tiananmen? That was a different time, and the Chinese ppl didn't have much economic clout as they do now, it was just a giant farm back then
Tibet? They have a lot more support globally, unfortunately they pose no economic benefit or threat to anybody.
Kosovo? That's an example of extreme combative Ness working, but it was coupled with extreme human rights abuses perpetrated by Serbia, and the political will by the West to push back against Russia. Hong kongers don't have the will or means to be so violent
Win the hearts of who? The only ppl who can help them, global economic pressures, they won't get the amount of support they need by being semi combative, after decades of being combative, Palestine has a couple UN resolutions, and a voluntary initiative to not support made in Israel goods... A lot of good that does, and Hong kongers don't have the means to be anywhere near as combative as Palestinians, nor the desire I imagine.
So why not give their only real means a shot? Complete utter peaceful protests, bring the entire region into an economic standstill (not even Tiananmeners were capable of this) and if they Dave a brutal backlash, the despair may just trigger the help they need
They are getting a lot of support already. America is about to pass the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act any time now, in fact they are rushing to get it done quickly, possibly on Monday. UK is talking placing sanctions on people who abuse human rights in HK. This would most obviously crush Carrie Lam, who I believe is a UK resident (at least her children are). She is also at risk of losing her fellowship at Cambridge, who was requested by 3 lawmakers last week to consider doing so.
Then of course you have Taiwan, who has politicians supporting Hong Kong, as the president has been since the beginnign. But now they have a pro China candidate saying HK needs to have universal suffrage.
There are several others going against protesters, trying to clear roadblocks and brick piles. I don't call them fascists, because they aren't making political statements. Some of them probably just want to get to work and ignore any issues, etc. I still think it's a bad idea for them to do so, but I don't assume they are pro-fascism just because they're clearing bricks.
Not that it matters who is throwing what. HK people need to stick together to fight against evil. If you are not a fascist but still disagree with what protesters are doing, fighting with them in the streets is NOT the right thing to do. It plays directly into the government's hands.
This person is a "Democracy activist" and HK student leader who is a spokes person for a number of " protest" movement groups. Concerning to say the least if she represents the majority of the rioters.
Overwhelming comments are in this tone:
"We want government to be accountable to us" Hong kong government definitely should be accountable to their poor education.
This amazing interview has fully showcased the mindset of the typical hk rioters: Self entitled, illogical, spoilt, dillusional and full of themselves. Thanks.
The interviewer has asked all the good questions. The interviewee is a hopeless HK student leader. She knows nothing about democracy but demo crazy. What a shame to HK university.
This comment pretty well sums up that video:
Painful to watch... its like an adult trying to reason with a toddler.
A video of it shows the brick was thrown right at his face.
But seriously, a brick fight? If one person starts it, bound to have bricks thrown back and forth.
A video of it shows the brick was thrown right at his face.
But seriously, a brick fight? If one person starts it, bound to have bricks thrown back and forth.
You're right, it looks like the woman with the skirt just missed hitting him, possibly BECAUSE he got hit by another brick and went down first
Either way, atrocious and tragic.
He was one of at least 5 or 6 people who died this week. Everyone else for mysterious reasons
How is that there only means of a shot. It was violence that freed America from Britain, It was violence that freed the slaves and to was violence that got rid of apartheid.
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How is that there only means of a shot. It was violence that freed America from Britain, It was violence that freed the slaves and to was violence that got rid of apartheid.
Why don’t you go to war with Pakistan over Kashmir then ?
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