Hong Kong extradition protests

[yray]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Fail history much ?

It’s more like her kid was forcibly taken and now she finally has him back but he’s turned into a little shit who thinks he’s better than her.

the little shit that became an ibanker that launders money for you and holds the secret account of your multiple exes. Your current husband wants to find these ex husbands to get the money back

[underscore]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-on-hong-kong/

China’s new ambassador to Canada is warning that any effort by Ottawa to emulate U.S. legislation that paves the way for sanctions against Hong Kong officials will seriously hurt Canada-China relations.

“If anything happens like this we will certainly have very bad damage in our bilateral relationship and that is not in the interest of Canada,” envoy Cong Peiwu told reporters at his first major interview with Canadian media.

He later added: “We are firmly opposed to any foreign interference.”

This week the U.S. Congress passed legislation to back protesters in Hong Kong and threaten China with possible sanctions, which sources told Reuters that U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to sign into law in the coming days.

Among other measures, the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act would enable the U.S. government to impose sanctions on Hong Kong officials responsible for human-rights violations – including visa bans and asset freezes.

Mass protests for greater democracy and autonomy have rocked Hong Kong for more than five months, with escalating violence and fears that China will ratchet up its response to end the unrest.

The U.S. legislation expressly says in its text that Washington should work with allies such as Canada “to promote democracy and human rights in Hong Kong."

Mr. Cong said, however, that the U.S. legislation would only encourage the protesters, whom he referred to as “rioters,” to continue their fight.

“What they have done is going to embolden those violent criminals,” the ambassador said of the U.S. legislation.

“What happened in Hong Kong has nothing to do with democracy and human rights.”

There are an estimated 300,000 Canadian citizens in Hong Kong, according to the Canadian government. This far outnumbers U.S. citizens in the Asian city, which the U.S. State Department estimates at 85,000.

While Mr. Cong is new – he replaced Lu Shaye, who left in June – the message he delivered to Canadians on Friday is the same as what Beijing has stated for months.

He said the “severe difficulties” in the China-Canada relationship were caused by Canada, when it detained Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou nearly one year ago on a U.S. extradition request.

And Mr. Cong said what will repair relations is Ms. Meng’s return. “The current difficulty was due to the handling of Madame Meng by the Canadian side,” he said.

Ms. Meng, a high-ranking member of China’s corporate elite, was arrested at Vancouver International Airport on Dec. 1 last year. She is charged with bank fraud and accused of misleading the bank HSBC about Huawei’s business in Iran. She has said she is innocent and is fighting extradition.

Shortly after Ms. Meng’s detention, China locked up two Canadians in China, former diplomat Michael Kovrig and entrepreneur Michael Spavor. It has since accused them of espionage. While Ms. Meng is free on bail and living in her $10-million Vancouver home, the two men remain incarcerated.

Mr. Cong said he hopes Canada would “send out a clear message to ask those rioters to stop the violence” in Hong Kong. “Otherwise, those Canadians living in Hong Kong – how can they be safe?”

He said China wants to build a deeper relationship with Canada. "For the Communist Party of China, our mission and aspiration is to see happiness for the Chinese people, the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation and at the same time peace and development for ... mankind.”

Asked how China would react if Canada barred Huawei Technologies from this country’s 5G networks, as the United States is asking for, Mr. Cong said he hopes Ottawa will provide “a fair, just and non-discriminatory business environment for Chinese companies including Huawei,” and said the U.S. is trying to hobble Chinese tech firms with “groundless accusations” that they represent a security risk.

Jane Lee, a member of Torontonians Stand with Hong Kong, said she would like to see Canada bring forward its own legislation on Hong Kong or take other actions.

Canadian Friends of Hong Kong, a group that supports the demands of Hong Kongers for more democracy and civil liberties, is calling on Ottawa to sanction Hong Kong officials for violations of human rights. Natalie Hui said her group would support the introduction of legislation like that passed by the U.S. Congress.

But she said any such legislative process shouldn’t be used to delay the imposition of sanctions on Hong Kong officials.

Ms. Hui noted that Canada has already passed the Sergei Magnitsky act that allows Canada to impose asset freezes and travel bans on human-rights abusers around the world – and Ottawa could act quickly if it wants to.

“Canada already has a [Magnitsky law] in place for use. All we need is the political will to apply it. We can then start to compile the list of individuals from Hong Kong and China to be sanctioned,“ Ms. Hui said.

“It is the first essential step for the Trudeau minority government to reset the tone for its renewed mandate in dealing with China, to send a clear message to all Canadians, especial Hong Kong and Chinese Canadians that the federal government won’t sell them out in return for profit.”

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by threezero

These guys got bail set at 5000hkd per person.

The couple that doused the old guy and set him on fire.

Bailed for 895hkd….

Actually they were bailed for $1000 each (and that's from a mainland government approved news source, so take that as you will)

Not that any of it is relevant... no matter what it's set at, they'd just need to get a bond for that amount.

[6793026]

DLLM

Come the fuck out and stop wasting people's time and efforts. There is NO threat to come out and there's also no reason for cops to "attack" and go in.
You are not fighting for shit right now, you don't have a message, no demands, and no leader to support you.

WALK the fuck out, be a man and accept the fucking consequences. (most likely just arrested and then released).
Honestly, no matter what side you are on, they have no proof of your involvement, no evidence of you doing anything. You willl never see a day in court let alone actually charged.

You say you are fighters, yet unwilling to deal with the issues when you get arrested.
You wear your colors so proudly yet you are now saying (after you changed to civilian non black clothing) and you want to be respected as students. DLS, this is a coward move.

You asking for the chairman to come in and take you out... FIRST of all, are you EVEN a student OF THAT university????
There is no food, no shelter no more... you are being abandoned. NO ONE is going to rescue you.



You spent 30 minutes in the sewers and realized you're STILL within the Poly U sewage system.

Students are in fear of disappearing after taking into custody.... FFS..

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

True, but the economic theory itself doesn't make for that. It can be debated with pros and cons compared to capitalism

It's authoritarianism you have an issue with, not communism itself. And authoritarianism can be used along with communism (like in North Korea) or capitalism (like in China (kinda)). Likewise, democratic states can utilize different types of economic ideologies.

it's one too ripe for abuse

i can't think of an example of a communist-majority state where the vacuum of power wasn't immediately occupied by a corrupt military leader, autocrats/oligarchy, a militia etc.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

it's one too ripe for abuse

i can't think of an example of a communist-majority state where the vacuum of power wasn't immediately occupied by a corrupt military leader, autocrats/oligarchy, a militia etc.

India? It's not Marxist/Leninist, but socialist. I am extremely unfamiliar with the politics there, but AFAIK it's a multi-party state and hasn't been overrun by the military or a dictator.

[twdm]

So far the district council elections is a landslide for the pro-democracy camp. Meaning no one who actually lives in Hong Kong gives a shit about what the mainland thinks. Meaning people who actually work and have a stake in the future of Hong Kong support the pro-democracy camp despite the disruption to their life.

Now the resident CCP bitches can stfu about the silent majority. Almost 3 million hong kongers voted on basically a de facto referendum.

(I hope this post doesn't bite me in the ass and there's a sharp reversal from 30 pro-democracy to 2 pro-establishment elected so far)

[StylinRed]

Voting anti-ccp doesn't mean you're pro-protesters/violent protesters

I don't know how you made that connection... No one's ever voted pro-CCP iirc

[twdm]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

Voting anti-ccp doesn't mean you're pro-protesters/violent protesters

I don't know how you made that connection... No one's ever voted pro-CCP iirc

Uhh the people voted for the parties that literally says 5 demands not one less on the voting ballot... Ok

But then again, you wouldn't know since you don't live in Hong Kong and have no stake other than the 50 cents you need to collect.

[eclipseman]

These elections will pretty much signal the direction the majority of HK people want to go...How else can you view the results?

***edit: added live results from scmp

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...2/results-blog

[twdm]

http://www.twitter.com/lukedepulford...62935804370947


ROFL. This guy is the ultimate troll. He goes up to Junius Ho and tells him in person he was instrumental in revoking his honorary degree.

[twdm]

Update 2:30AM:
I don't think the CCP bitches have any hope. 108 pro-democracy vs 12 CCP vs 1 independent. 330 seats to be determined still.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

Voting anti-ccp doesn't mean you're pro-protesters/violent protesters

I don't know how you made that connection... No one's ever voted pro-CCP iirc

Pro Beijing party has had the majority in the DC practically forever. Here are the results of previous elections, 2003 - 2015



This year's result will be 90% green.

They started cheating after 2003 (after losing a lot of seats when people were fighting Article 23), mind you, and continued to cheat here. They just couldn't overcome the huge turnout this time.

People came out in droves yesterday, with a turnout of over 70% of registered voters. Turnout has been increasing over the years, but this is incredible.

Note that the DC doesn't have much power. They mostly deal with things like municipal policies, and don't actually make laws. Because of this, their political alignment normally isn't relevant (and it's why the DC has been pro-Beijing for so long... it didn't matter other than when it became political in 2003 and now) However they do make up some of the group that selects the Chief Executive. And they do have some power in holding the legislature accountable. Municipal issues will no longer be rubber stamped by the pro beijing group.

More importantly, this is being seen as a defacto referendum. People are voting based on one thing: support of democracy. It hardly matters who the candidates even are. Some have been there for decades, and are GONE now. Absolutely this is a political statement of support of the 5 demands. If the government ignores this result, they really are illegitimate (mind you, we already know they will, and already know they are, based on their reaction to over 2 million people marching the streets)

What's funny is that you specifically wanted the people to support their demands in a peaceful way, and here they are doing it in a HUGE significant way, and you're trying to dismiss it...

Currently sitting at 349 for Pan-Dem, just 44 for Pro-BJ. What a great morning for Hong Kong

There's lots of little news bits coming out, but I'm not going to post them all. Of note so far is that Junius Ho (the organiser of the triad attack, and generally one of the worst humans living today) lost his seat.

I am waiting to see what happens with Starry Lee. She is the chair of the DAB (the big pro-beijing party) and incumbent for over 10 years. She didn't campaign at all, but late last night they sent a blast to her supporters that they need to get out and vote for her. She is up against Longhair, so it's a battle of two big political figures. Their results aren't out yet afaik. (edit: she held on dammit. Enough fake votes there I guess)

Also (and I am just playing around here, don't get mad)

Originally Posted by StylinRed

Voting anti-ccp doesn't mean you're pro-protesters/violent protesters

Tell that to the people who voted this guy in

[320icar]

I’m not sure if there is a pure direct connection between wanting democracy and the 5 demands.

Edit: I went back and reread them. Doesn’t have anything to do with rioters and police stuff but I guess 1 and 5

[twdm]

Originally Posted by 320icar

I’m not sure if there is a pure direct connection between wanting democracy and the 5 demands.

Ok. Let's not be stupid here. No one actually believes that everyone who voted pan-democrat wants 100% of the 5 demands. The fact is most people may support only a few of the demands but they understand why people would want the other demands. I don't personally believe everyone should receive pardons for the crimes committed during the unrest.

The fact is most people are tired of having these CCP shitbag yesmen and women who sell out their city to suck Winnie's dick. They're tired of their shitbag dirty tricks every election. They're tired of seeing police being used to suppress dissent.

Notice how all of the things I said could basically describe EVERY mainland city?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by twdm

I don't personally believe everyone should receive pardons for the crimes committed during the unrest.

The demands are for pardons of people arrested for "rioting" on June 12, and to retract the classification of that protest as a riot.

People are burning banks and throwing bricks at cops knowing full well they are breaking the law, and aren't expecting to be pardoned. They are giving up their lives to fight.

[6793026]

I am SOOOOOO happy today; there is FINALLY ONE DAY OF riot / protest free day in HONG KONG.



for once; 63% + of voting taking place. (37.12% last time) Traditional blue stations are now being kicked out with new yellow candidates.

8000 cops deployed to ensure things are smooth.

I'm so excited to see what's going to go on.

JUNIS HO... you're DONE.

didn't help when you have 3 dudes acting like triads escorting you around.

[yray]

71.2% voter turnout where not voting is not a crime is pretty major

[Mr.HappySilp]

I am happy that pro-democracy won majority of the seats but how will that really help. I mean the gov doesn't care about what citizen of HK feels anyways so they are just going to pass policy/law the same way they have been doing.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by 6793026

JUNIS HO... you're DONE.

didn't help when you have 3 dudes acting like triads escorting you around.

He was probably worried someone would really stab him this time

Originally Posted by yray

71.2% voter turnout where not voting is not a crime is pretty major

Not only that these are like municipal elections, no one ever goes to those, which is why they were so easy to rig before

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

I am happy that pro-democracy won majority of the seats but how will that really help. I mean the gov doesn't care about what citizen of HK feels anyways so they are just going to pass policy/law the same way they have been doing.

I went over it mostly in my post about the election. Another thing is that the narrative of the "silent majority" being against the protests has been crushed publicly on record. If you're against the protests and the overall movement, you are in a very small minority. Anyone with eyes could see that of course, but it's on record in a significant way now. Public polls have shown this, but polls are just suggestions of data - it's nothing like a referendum or an election, where people have to spend almost an entire day to simply say "Look, I want things to be this way".

If the government makes any decisions that don't go in the favour of the 5 demands, they are literally going against the will of the vast majority of HK. Even if they found a way to ignore the millions of people marching in the streets, it's right there in their faces again, and peacefully accomplished.

It also increases dissension among the pro-Beijing politicians. They are starting to be more vocal about the ineptitude of Carrie Lam.

And maybe you're right and they'll keep doing the same thing. Then the protests will keep going. They'll have to put 90% of the population in jail or suicide them for the protests to completely end. Or they can follow the demands, some of which are already in law but are being ignored.

[bcedhk]

It impacts the DAB party. For instance: as per SCMP:

Holden Chow Ho-ding has become the fourth DAB lawmaker to be defeated in the district council elections after losing his seat to pro-democracy candidate Wong Chun-yeung in Tung Chung South by a margin of 1,430 votes.
Chow is one of five “super district councillors”, a lawmaker returned from the district council (second) constituency of the legislature. Candidates must be district councillors and nominated by 15 other council members, before being able to enter the citywide elections.
Chow’s defeat gives his party a headache as he will not be able to enter the legislature through the same constituency in 2020.

He was consider one of the top few DAB members to rise to the top. But I think with his lost and past track record, he will be swept away.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

The day ppl suggest police to turn back, and let violent kids go home, you know reason and logic has left the field

Twitter

Police finally lifted their siege of the university today (how bizarre is that sentence?), so the "violent kids" will be able to go home. One of those "violent kids" who has been stuck there all this time was elected to the district council on Sunday he's a journalist

A lot of violence could have been avoided, had they done this two weeks ago, or even right after the first batch of people left. Even if some criminals got trapped in the school, there's no excuse to lay a damn siege on a damn school. That is insane.

Twitter

They went in and did an inspection yesterday, collecting evidence. They listed all the weapons they found, lots of molotovs and some arrows. Lots of bottles of peanut oil. No pipe bombs that you said you saw, so either they were stashed away, or didn't exist in the first place.

[SkinnyPupp]

Protesters in China showing how it's done, shooting fireworks at cops

Twitter

HK protesters almost have it "easy" compared to what they have to deal with in China though. These incursions seem to be happening on a pretty regular basis. Of course we hardly ever hear about it, and anyone who gets caught but not killed gets "disappeared".

[ssjGoku69]

This reddit guy says that video is from 2005 though.