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Hong Kong extradition protests Surprised there isn't a thread on this, yet. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...m107342275.jpg https://images.axios.com/mmdtuYpiwum...0309679675.jpg Quote:
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More than anything else, I am just sad about how far and how fast Hong Kong has regressed. As commendable as the Hong Kong general public is for their restraint, I am very pessimistic about the outcome. The young kids / young adults will get their a$$es arrested and thrown into jail with criminal records for doing little more than assembling for the post-demonstration gatherings. A selected few will get slapped with ultra heavy jail sentences (7+ yrs) for doing anything more than just gathering. Crowds will get dispersed with pepper spray, and the police will get needlessly violent on protesters. I pretty much expected a similar immediate outcome as the Umbrella Revolution in 2014, except that the police will come down harder and harsher. Except that the aftermath will be far more serious this time around. Numerous western countries (25+, I think?) have already issued warnings of how the passage of the extradition law will hurt business investments, effectively suggesting that they will withdraw their investment dollars and personnel from Hong Kong. The US has threatened to rescind the US-HK Policy Act that grants special privileges to Hong Kong (compared to Mainland China). With the guarantees in the US-HK Policy Act, the US would really consider Hong Kong to be no different than any other Chinese cities, and Hong Kong can pretty much kiss its economy, international status, as well as modern lifestyle goodbye. To think that the former Pearl of the Orient will fall as low as it will... :( |
let see what happens Head of police and others are issuing statements right now warning people to stop and not attend the site or else extreme measures will be used Police are hell bent on clearing the area today |
Watching it on viutv atm it is clearing up, but slow Mom was wanting to head back to HK for a bit too yikes |
When I moved here 13 years ago, I thought I'd stick around in perpetuity, since the constitution in place stated that China couldn't even begin to have any influence here until starting in 2047. But no, they have been digging and digging away at Hong Kong. People are saying that this is the return of the Umbrella Movement from 5 years ago, but I fear that there will be more damage this time. Things will get ugly. Police are scrambling to clear the area, but people aren't going to leave easily. Even if they can't get 10K people in place, it will spread throughout the city. If the bill does pass, that's it for Hong Kong. It's done. This makes me really fucking anxious and it's kind of driving me crazy |
It's getting ugly already.. Cops shot this guy in the head with a beanbag, apparently he lost consciousness on the way to the hospital. They are beating the shit out of everyone they can get their hands on, including men and women who have already conceded to them. Just stomping the shit out of their skulls https://i.redd.it/isajj9a4xv331.png https://i.redd.it/ahh5u0obhw331.png |
Apparently LegCo is cleared... If they actually go through with this..... TONIGHT.... Edit: LegCo canceled for today... Round 1 is over. They're going to keep doing this until the bill gets canceled, or they get run over by tanks. |
This is unbelievably infuriating -- when the protester has shown absolutely no signs of aggression, the cop went for the head shot: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2265750246978918 Subsequent videos seem to show the young man being OK, but the bag shot got him on his right eye and he was bleeding as well as unable to see (from the right eye). He is otherwise mobile and lucid though. Both the HK gov as well as the police have gone mad. Riot police have their rules and procedures to follow when clearing the crowds out, but many of the officers are clearly not following protocol. |
the biggest concern is not if the bill will pass, but when it will pass I really don't believe the gov't will back down from this. This was uglier than 2014... people are prepared. diggin up bricks, masks, helmets, setting barricades in advanced etc. sure, there are a bunch of peaceful protesters sittin at the back closer to bank of america building etc, but i don't think the police are gonna let this one get hte peaceful protest like occupy did. It hurts to say, but the next 8-10hours are gonna be critical |
Police spraying pepper spray inside the MTR entrance... My wife just went through that station, but thank god she didn't have to leave the platforms, just transferring. She said it was actually less busy than usual down there. |
This is fucking crazy!!! the wife and her family is all up in arms about this shit too But i dont understand what the huge deal is. 1) as long as you dont do any crime, this new legislation wont apply to you 2) so what if your extradited to China, it was bound to happen in 50 years after 1997 anyways. 3) HK is CHINA, it has been since 1997. This one country 2 system bullshit is just a farce. i dont think anyone would believe the CCP would honor these agreements and this gradual erosion of HK's status is pointless. Either just take over the damn thing already, or let HK live in their bubble in perpetuity. Why 50 years!? what that going to do anyways. 4) Economically HK has been on a downwards path ever since 1997 as CCP is more focused on developing Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, etc. This gives HK even less leverage as the economical motivators move more to the core mainland cities. Either just take everything over already and roll in your god damn tanks, or leave it the fuck alone. Let HK play their democracy game, it doesnt hurt overall chinese GDP and it shows that China is flexible on a world stage. |
With this new law about to be passed, those who are arrested for this protest will be tried in China ... double doom. "Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men .... " |
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Just ask the Canadians who were arrested for completely made up reasons, all because China had one of their spies arrested in Canada. These people still have yet to be heard from since. We don't even know if they're still alive. And from there, we'll have whatever other insane law China decides to add. Oh you made a Winnie the Pooh meme? Boom, never heard from again. Then comes the public surveillance, which they already do in many parts of the country. Don't want to be mean here, but give your head a shake Reading the rest of your post wants me really mad, so I'll just stop here. Fucking hell |
This is fucking stupid as I've been following this. China wants to get their hands on everything now. The police are put in the worst situation possible since they have to do their job, but at the same time they likely don't agree with the extradition. |
i remember when the public was sympathetic with the police in 2014 i guess not any more |
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you will probably be locked up and charged for treason if you start writing a book about tiananmen square or taiwan Independence in china I remember hearing news about a businessman who was fined & jailed because he accidentally printed a map that doesn't show taiwan as part of China... |
The rich, powerful, educated will just immigrate to other countries same with people who have skills (same thing happen just before 1997). My aunt saw this coming way back aroudn 2000 I think and pretty sold all of her asset and move back to Vancouver even quitting her 7 figure quit job (in HK dollar). So many friends I know who left Van after graudate are quitting their jobs and moving their family back to Canada. Is not that this new bill is the way how China is tightening its grind on everything. The thing with this new bill is that say you posted some on social media about China and if the Chinese gov doesn't like it they can just grab you legally back to China and throw you in jail for whatever reason they like. There are no laws in China. If you are rich, powerful, and knows people law don't apply you to in China. Heck you can rape, run someone over with your car and kill him/her and nothing will you happen to you as long as you have the right person bought. If you got no connections you can't even get away with littering if the cops wants to arrest you. There are so many CCTV in China now literally they gov can track exactly where you are at any given point in time. I fear after this many many people will leave HK and leaving those that are unable to leave struggle. EDIT ON A sidenote China just pass a new bill about the new regulations they have on TV shows. is dumb lol. If you want to to air any anicent times TV shows it have to follow actual history and if it is fantasy TV show they can only air it once and can't do any remake (there a ton of Chinese TV shows that follow books so with those shows you can only air it once). Ancient shows can't be made up story. TV shows can not in anyway degrade the gov (which is always the case anyways), bad guy must stay bad till the end(so they can say after serving their jail be be the good guy or you can't show them missing their family or feel sorry for what they do.). And a bunch of stuff. Pretty much this will kill any creativity for any TV shows in the future just to please the current gov. |
Since I'm too upset/drunk to elaborate eloquently, I'll just link to this reddit post that I HOPE will illuminate the issue for people who don't know any better. If you really wonder why this is such a big issue when "HK is China anyway" (it's not) and "if you don't break laws, you'll be fine" (you won't) then you need to read this. You really don't seem to understand. China's rulers and government aren't just "a bit different" from Canada or US. They are a fascist regime. They give no fucks about human rights. Seeing responses I've seen in this thread shouldn't be that surprising, coming from a place of privilege of being in Canada. But other parts of the world are not like Canada. And not just the "evil" theistic governments and dictators. China is REALLY FUCKING BAD if you care about human rights and freedom and liberty, and GETTING WORSE BY THE MINUTE. Hong Kong has never been its own sovereign nation, but it has never had to deal with being under control of tyranny. Not like this. Not for a long time. Quote:
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^^ But let's be honest though no one believe HK will stay the same in 50 years. People just don't expect the changes to take place so fast and being force down on the citizen on HK (or Chinese living in HK). This whole one country two system is doom from the start. With the European union falling apart, US economy not doing well and China is on the raise. Which country is going to try to stop China. US but they aren't very successful. All of these country protesting is just for show. If they want to actually do something then do something instead of issuing statements which doesn't do shit. Most country is too deep in China's pocket to dare to do anything about it. |
this weekend will be fun... weekend riots, weekday business work hard play hard cops are on a powertrip, doesn't help when all the british trained superiors are retired, now we are just dealing with idiotic baby boomer generation |
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This last one was a gif posted on reddit. Some say it might actually just be water as the guy who got sprayed looked mostly annoyed more than pained. |
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There is definitely blood on the police's hands. |
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