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won't black box data/transmission with atc be made public in court? Even if Boeing is deep in Washington's coffers this doesn't seem like a scandal worth pulling off esp with the poor PR from last year
i can see Iran's stance though, why allow your current enemy #1 involved in investigations when tensions are this high
I would assume your probably correct. I do believe his opinion was just from the fact the Americans like to strong arm everything they can for their own goal. It’s been going on for decades, terrorist this, terrorist that. It wouldn’t be far fetched to see the truth get bent.
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Ty government of canada spokesman. My post was half anger wanting our leader to be more vocal.
Your post is an example of why the American government behaves so poorly. Not everything needs to be a snap reaction on twitter.
We were watching a literal war unfold through social media comments because someone who’s supposed to be the leader of one of the worlds superpowers is a child with a phone having a fucking temper tantrum and his moronic fan base eat it up.
The president of the US threatened literal war crimes on Twitter, and it’s because the public wants “the leader to be more vocal.”
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Your shitting on dead people after the fact. They should of done this. They shouldnt of done that. You come off as a insensitive know it all prick. People were probably trying to get home and get on the first flight out of there.
I'm not shitting on the victims but the situation needs to be used as a lesson. Sorry if reality offends you. I'm gutted for these people and their families because (IF shot down) this was totally avoidable. Like I said, the airline shouldn't have allowed that aircraft to take off and as hud 91gt stated the passengers trusted it was good to go (he's an airline pilot BTW).
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how the hell are they supposed to connect the dots from an incident in Eastern Europe 5 years ago with what's happening on TV?
Yah but come on man... you expect with everything travel related, especially the airline industry, that the powers to be do their due diligence including air traffic controllers, crew, maintenance staff, baggage handlers, execs at the airline you're flying on... everything is done in faith and trust when you use such services. You think everyone on that flight was a moron who didn't know what's going on? You're so advanced in your predictive abilities you would say "I don't think anything is going to be done right and this plane will get shot down, I'm going to de-plane or not get on it!" I highly, highly doubt it. Also, how many other planes took off and landed during that time? Dozens if not more? Are all those plane operators and passengers stupid too? Tehran isn't exactly a small airport, it's got 58,000 annual plane movements or 158 per day. Absolutely nothing happened around that time to suggest that this particular flight was any more dangerous than any others around it.
And even you do avoid the flight. Then what? You drive to another country's border? This isn't like you're in Seattle for the weekend and you can just book a hotel or whatever. Things are super regimented in shithole countries for how long you stay and where you can go/stay... roads don't exist... border crossings by land are impossible because of visa issues or blockades with other countries.
It's super easy to be the "I told you so" guy after you already know what happened.
Is an airline from a not so wealthy country like Ukraine really going to say no money from desperate people trying to leave? Or perhaps they knew from experience how dangerous flying can be in these situations and thought who better to help these people. Maybe they had that that they are civilian and therefore untouchable like the mentality of the woman in revealing clothing walking in a dangerous neighbourhood having the expectation not to be raped. We will have to wait and see and hope Iran cooperates.
Not to speak ill of the dead but really stupid to get on that flight as well, the attack was all over the local media and full blown war was on everyone's lips. Not a time to be in the local airspace.
LOL that's pretty much the same as those saying "I'm not a racist, but (insert ethnicity) people....."
Is an airline from a not so wealthy country like Ukraine really going to say no money from desperate people trying to leave? Or perhaps they knew from experience how dangerous flying can be in these situations and thought who better to help these people. Maybe they had that that they are civilian and therefore untouchable like the mentality of the woman in revealing clothing walking in a dangerous neighbourhood having the expectation not to be raped. We will have to wait and see and hope Iran cooperates.
The possible motives behind the Ukrainian airline to fly a civilian aircraft in the airspace of a war zone. I was of the understanding that other aviation authorities had stopped all flights in the area. If we can discuss the passengers and their reasons for flying, why not the airline?
Yah but come on man... you expect with everything travel related, especially the airline industry, that the powers to be do their due diligence including air traffic controllers, crew, maintenance staff, baggage handlers, execs at the airline you're flying on... everything is done in faith and trust when you use such services.
Yeah, I agree you do! For hours prior aircraft from all over the world diverted around or turned back from entering this airspace. The airline took the risk to take off.
You're so advanced in your predictive abilities you would say "I don't think anything is going to be done right and this plane will get shot down, I'm going to de-plane or not get on it!" I highly, highly doubt it.
Really? Come on. No. It's risk mitigation.
Also, how many other planes took off and landed during that time? Dozens if not more? Are all those plane operators and passengers stupid too? Tehran isn't exactly a small airport.
Actually not many it was 6am, unfortunately it only takes one mistake. They delayed take off by an hour and then went for it. You can see the local traffic at the time using www.flightradar24.com
Here is the aircrafts flight path on FlightRadar:
US military saying now they have identified two launches in the vicinity of PS752, brutal
A couple thousand dollars, a couple days, missing work or school or whatever... it's not worth your life.
That's easy to say when you have money and time to spare. Even if you have the money you now have to find a later flight (since there's no other way out of there), find somewhere to stay, and hope that things don't deteriorate further in the meantime. Given the current political climate that seems like a pretty likely to happen, so you're risking being completely stuck in the country. On top of that if someone's Visa expires before they're able to leave I've heard that sort of thing goes down really well in the Middle East.
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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reading this thread is like waiting for goku to charge up a spirit bomb in dragon ball z
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
I hope you live a long and full life JD13, but if you do die in an accident, I will try not to go over a list of seemingly (to me, from my ivory tower) obvious measures that I surmise you should have taken beforehand to have prevented it happening........................
That's easy to say when you have money and time to spare. Even if you have the money you now have to find a later flight (since there's no other way out of there), find somewhere to stay, and hope that things don't deteriorate further in the meantime. Given the current political climate that seems like a pretty likely to happen, so you're risking being completely stuck in the country. On top of that if someone's Visa expires before they're able to leave I've heard that sort of thing goes down really well in the Middle East.
These people are DEAD man! Do you not think that the victims and their families would prefer to be alive and deal with those hardships than the alternative?! What a truly stupid statement, get some perspective.
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LOL that's pretty much the same as those saying "I'm not a racist, but (insert ethnicity) people....."
Using 'stupid' was a poor and insensitive choice of words on my part. I was genuinely angry when I wrote that post because of how avoidable the scenario was. I apologize for that statement.
survived the hit but later got compromised by the damage,it had enough to turn back to the airport but fell to pieces...imo the fuel had to be leaking after.
by mistake?...how the fuck? whoever was in charge of the air defense need to be sentenced to death.
survived the hit but later got compromised by the damage,it had enough to turn back to the airport but fell to pieces...imo the fuel had to be leaking after.
by mistake?...how the fuck? whoever was in charge of the air defense need to be sentenced to death.
100% missle by that vid if there was any doubt.
Like I said in my last post, how the fuck can it be a mistake when you’re firing AA rockets at the flight path of departing planes from your main airport..
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The demographic of the casualties certainly indicate it was a mistake. Iran certainly isn’t proving a point against the US other than complete combat incompetence by killing a bunch of Ukrainians, Canadians and their own citizens.
Now we are in a position where the military actions by our closest ally has resulted in the death of 63 of our citizens. And that’s a really, really fucking big deal.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
The AA batteries would have been on the highest alert anticipating American aircraft. There are a lot of factors here, and they would have been tracking anything in the sky within range. It could have been something as simple as PS752 squawking the wrong code, or identifying, and the launch may have actually been automatic. Those are details we will probably never know. It doesn't change the outcome for the victims but there's a big difference for the families between an accident and a mistake. It's a very sad and angering situation.
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Really? Come on. No. It's risk mitigation.
whoever was in charge of the air defense need to be sentenced to death.
