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Wow. A second honest article from the CBC in as many days? Color me surprised.
Makes you wonder why we need to bother paying Hajdu and Tam. Might as well just refer to the WHO directly.
Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that calls to implement life-saving social distancing measures faced "a lot of pushback" early in the US coronavirus outbreak and that the country is now looking for ways to more effectively respond to the virus should it rebound in the fall.
"I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives," Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" when asked if social distancing and stay-at-home measures could have prevented deaths had they been put in place in February, instead of mid-March.
"Obviously, no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those decisions is complicated," added Fauci, who is a key member of the Trump administration's coronavirus task force. "But you're right, I mean, obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different. But there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then."
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Getting quite tired of these constant confrontational posts from you that do nothing but try to rile people up and take over the thread with pointless arguing. Take a break from the thread for a few days.
I can’t remember if it was on John Oliver or somthing else I watched but some people seem to recommend a strategy of “pumping the breaks”
Ie. letting smaller outbreaks happen while loosening constraints, tighten them to deal with the outbreak then re-open the constraints until a rise is seen
Seems reasonable if it could be implemented
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They know the rate of change to an extent. Measures are put in place to keep hospitals at a reasonable level. If they really wanted cases to come to a near halt they would improvise more strict measures. Keeping severe cases at a max capacity of our hospitals is going to be the fastest way through. Why do you think it took so long for measures to be put in place in the first place? I can’t honestly believe it’s due to complete incompetence.
Yeah that's pretty much "flattening the curve" since the curve won't be zero.
The only goal is to not completely overwhelm hospitals... So "letting people get sick" isn't really a consideration - people are gonna get sick no matter what. But with strict social distancing measures, less of them will get it at once.
HK only had 4 cases yesterday - 3 imported and 1 local. So we're finally seeing the effect of the border stoppage 2 weeks ago. However the third wave will show us how many of those 2 weeks of imported cases have made local people sick, and how far it will spread from there. If people stuck to social distancing and wearing masks, the third wave should be relatively flat.
Singapore also closed borders around the same time, but they did not have strict social distancing measures or mask wearing, until this week. They had 191 new cases yesterday, mostly local.
The last 2 weeks in HK and SG told us quite a bit, and the next 2 weeks will tell us more. I just hope people are paying attention.
The main tool to flatten the curve is mask wearing in combination with border stoppage. If countries want to prevent a large second wave, they are going to need compulsory mask wearing in public, with similar social distancing they have now.
Open everything up? (Maybe possible with a huge amount of PPE available, but it’s not)
Send the under 40 crowd to work?
This is going to be a pretty big learning experience, hopefully we can be a little better prepared next time. Nurses and doctors are heroes. But it’s not because they are working through this, that is what they signed up for. It’s because they have to work through this without proper protective equipment. You can only hope the people responsible will be the ones taking the blame.
Open everything up? (Maybe possible with a huge amount of PPE available, but it’s not)
Send the under 40 crowd to work?
This is going to be a pretty big learning experience, hopefully we can be a little better prepared next time. Nurses and doctors are heroes. But it’s not because they are working through this, that is what they signed up for. It’s because they have to work through this without proper protective equipment. You can only hope the people responsible will be the ones taking the blame.
If any country is going to relax their Stay-At-Home orders, they are going to need to implement compulsory mask wearing. That means somehow get enough masks into the hands of people before doing so, or make the mask rules relaxed enough that any cover is allowed - even a t-shirt wrapped around your face.
Keep doing this until a proper vaccine is created. 1 year vaccine is wishful thinking IMO, and should NOT be rushed. The first SARS vaccine was abandoned after animal trials, in part because of funding but also it was absolutely destroying the lungs of the animals they were testing it on. I don't know if that means they would have had to go back to square one or what.
I've seen people say that early vaccines should be tested on healthcare workers, and that is literally the stupidest statement I've seen made regarding the virus, and that includes Trump.
So yeah... compulsory mask wearing for the next year or two until a vaccine is implemented
Either that, or this is just our new seasonal flu. Every year we just have to mask up to go out, and work from home becomes the norm for most people. This is a very real possibility.
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If city of Vancouver is going bankrupt then it’s a complete mismanagement of their revenues. The mayor and councillors are either skimming off the top or getting screwed on the deals they are making.
Unionized employees don’t help but with the sheer amount of tax revenues I don’t see how they can possible be broke after just a few months.
they've been riding off 30-40 years of massive property tax gains...if they ran with even half-assed efficiency they shouldn't be at an insolvency risk within 3 months (article says they already laid off 1500)
Either that, or this is just our new seasonal flu. Every year we just have to mask up to go out, and work from home becomes the norm for most people. This is a very real possibility.
Personally I don't see that happening here. Maybe in Hong Kong they would consider it a normal thing to do but I really don't see BC implementing a 'mask wearing' season every year for good.
I can see strict measures until a proper vaccine is created but that really is the goal, get a vaccine and get back to the life we all know and love.
Schmepf said that they came up with a list of materials ranging from coffee filters and Swiffer dusting clothes, to window shades and even material used in aviation, oil refinery and the medical fields.
They then bought a $1,400 Grainger particulate-counter device capable of measuring filtration down to 0.3 microns.
N95 masks - which hospitals are desperately in need of - effectively block about 95 per cent of particles that are 0.3 microns or larger.
The designers found that lining a cotton mask with two blue shop towels enhanced the mask's filtration rate up to 93 per cent when it came to 0.3 micron-sized particles.
Cotton masks alone, they found, filtered only 60 per cent of those size particles, Schmepf told Business Insider.
The two brands they tested and recommended were ToolBox's shop towel and ZEP's industrial blue towel. The also tested Scott-brand shop towels, but found they weren't as effective for filtration as the other two brands.
They are still testing the other shop towel brands on the market.
During their general material testing, the women also identified another fabric with solid filtration capabilities - towels made from polypropylene, which is used to clean industrial machines.
According to their tests, the masks made from this material held 95 per cent of their filtration abilities for up to three machine washes, making them 'semi-disposable' masks.
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Society would rather have people die than accept this as the “new norm”
It’s completely unrealistic to think this could be sustainable in the least. Everything from construction to elective surgeries being put on repeated, extended holds etc? It won’t happen. (Although as I type that I realize I didn’t take into full extent the viruses current state)
But I think If that’s what would happen the extent of the financial damage will be unimaginable.
For the vast majority of people the financial repercussions of this will be far worse than any human toll.
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Perhaps BC is also part of the Type A strain as the western US and that is partly why we have faired better than Ontario and Quebec who have Type B?
Thunderf00t explains how much of the population needs to adhere to quarantine measures for it to be successful and how import it is for money to be going to the middle class:
Personally I don't see that happening here. Maybe in Hong Kong they would consider it a normal thing to do but I really don't see BC implementing a 'mask wearing' season every year for good.
I can see strict measures until a proper vaccine is created but that really is the goal, get a vaccine and get back to the life we all know and love.
Hong Kong went through the same things with SARS. It wasn't normal then, and it didn't really become normal all of a sudden. Same as Japan, where mask wearing common even for "fashion" and simply keeping your face warm in the winter.
People adapt
Vaccine isn't automatic either. We have YEARLY vaccines for influenza which kills more people than C19, and does it every year, and it only reduces it by what, 30%?
The main thing we (may) have going with C19 is that it (may) not be seasonal (meaning it won't leap back and forth across hemispheres like influenza, staying alive and mutating every year)
Also a C19 vaccine (MAY) have potential to be used against all coronaviruses, including SARS and even the common cold.
It's all so up in the air, and we learn more every single day. There's no way to count on anything at this point. Just have to deal with it the best we can, day by day. For now that means stay home, and wear a mask if you have to go out. Wash your hands lots. Etc.
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