coronavirus discussion

[CivicBlues]

Remember when Joe was just some paranoid doofus on a run of the mill 90s sitcom?

[unit]

i stopped listening to joe at least 8 or 9 years ago when joey and brian were the regulars on the show. he just talks about the same shit over and over again.

[blkgsr]

but he does have some cool guests on.

Forest Galante, former astronauts etc

[blkgsr]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Brazil has already surpassed Italy and Spain combined in deaths. Remember when we were freaking out about those two countries?

been calling india/pakistan etc and brazil since the beginning

i figured it would have hit indonesia harder but maybe the fact it's made up of so many islands that's helped them

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by blkgsr

but he does have some cool guests on.

Forest Galante, former astronauts etc

Totally agree, he has some excellent guests from time-to-time.

I find he completely ruins and sidetracks the interviews with these good guests, though. So the few times I do listen for a good guest, I'm subjected to a diatribe for an hour about moose hunting, bows, vitamin supplements, and monkeys.

I've moved on to podcasts like Ezra Klein's for more in-depth and thoughtful interviews.

[blkgsr]

ya he sure does like to drop in about vitamins and supplements....does he have his own brand or promote a specific brand that he's paid for? haven't bothered to look into it

[birddog3k]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

This is what I'm most concerned about. His young impressionable fans. My white nephews listen to his podcast, and I chat to younger guys in their early 20s at my gym that love his podcasts.

They all seem to parrot the same ideas -- Anti-political correctness, SJWs, how "left" universities are, transgender hyperbole, feminism sucks, men are being attacked, Trump isn't that bad, all of Joe's regular talking points.

My question to them is always the same, explain to me how these topics are the most important thing going on right now? How much have these topics directly affected you? Do you think these topics are more important than the economical and policy specific issues that are far more pernicious in your day-to-day life?

That's usually when the light turns on to some degree. It isn't a councidence that he surrounds himself with those creeps that call themselves the "Intellectual Dark Web", and why he pushes their agenda on a regular basis on his podcast. I've seen interviews where he will literally change the topic to whine about "Antifa" or how Berkeley is too lefty

Joe carries a lot of power and influence with his podcast, I just wished his younger followers were more keen to his agenda, and to not necessarily take this Fear Factor host's opinion as the gospel.

What's his agenda?

[Hondaracer]

So people who listen to Joe are seemingly too dumb to form their own opinions on things so now everyone is scared that they will follow his advice on issues like masks etc.

Then on the opposite end people are too dumb to do their own research on topics and would likely be completely uniformed on issues without Joe

You can’t fix dumb. If it wasn’t masks and downplaying covid people like this would likely be on some other conspiracy shit anyways.

[whitev70r]

OK, what I don't quite get is the extraordinarily high number of positive cases in the US and Prez Trump is holding rallies (regardless of actual numbers) ... in these stadiums ??!! They are going to get to herd immunity faster than anyone else ... except maybe Brazil!

[320icar]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So people who listen to Joe are seemingly too dumb to form their own opinions on things so now everyone is scared that they will follow his advice on issues like masks etc.

Then on the opposite end people are too dumb to do their own research on topics and would likely be completely uniformed on issues without Joe

You can’t fix dumb. If it wasn’t masks and downplaying covid people like this would likely be on some other conspiracy shit anyways.

I think in general people are more worried about young people. And without a double, yes youth are too dumb to form their own opinion. That’s what makes influencers and pieces of shit like the jake Paul or wtv and his brother

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by blkgsr

ya he sure does like to drop in about vitamins and supplements....does he have his own brand or promote a specific brand that he's paid for? haven't bothered to look into it

He does, he's part owner of the vitamin and supplement brand ONNIT.

https://www.onnit.com/joe-rogan/

I'll give it to Joe, he's slick in the way he markets on his podcast and pushes a narrative to support his company.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So people who listen to Joe are seemingly too dumb to form their own opinions on things so now everyone is scared that they will follow his advice on issues like masks etc.

Then on the opposite end people are too dumb to do their own research on topics and would likely be completely uniformed on issues without Joe

You can’t fix dumb. If it wasn’t masks and downplaying covid people like this would likely be on some other conspiracy shit anyways.

You just detailed my biggest fear of this current generation.

You're right, you can't fix dumb, and yet we've never had a time in human history where communication and the roll-out of information has been so easy.

It's created this double sword of sorts where people have become extremely silo'd. It has created platforms such as the JRE which reaches out to millions, every podcast. We've never had a piece of technology that has allowed such a propagation of ideas to this degree, ever.

It's a powerful tool if used benevolently.

Joe, like Trump, loves to represent himself as an "average" guy, carrying no bias, or ulterior motives, when he is far from that. Both are extremely wealthy individuals that have clear financial connections to areas in which they can apply that bias. Look no further to Trump ensuring real estate investors specifically carry a massive tax cut in the recent COVID bill passed in the senate. Joe's ideas on COVID on his podcast seem to carry similar motives in regards to his investments and company ties.

People love a cult of personality, and his followers tend to believe he's the gospel. I can't tell you how many "dudes" I chat with that will mention something from the JRE as plain facts, without spending a second looking into it.

It can end up being extremely dangerous when a guy who has a platform such as his begins to peddle conspiracy theories about Bill Gates and vaccines, or questioning the very validity of a pandemic.

[BIC_BAWS]

I was in Kelowna/Vernon over the weekend to get my car. Vernon, no one wore masks, not even employees of the insurance place in Vernon wore a mask. Plexi-glass was up, hand sani was avail, and only 2 people allowed inside at a time.

In Downtown Kelowna masks were not seen at all. Went to a ribs place, employees had masks on, patio was not staggered enough but inside tables were booths. Hand sani was provided but you had to use the spray cleaner bottle.

Edit: Oops wrong thread.

[Hondaracer]

There has also been virtually no major spikes weeks after the long weekend partying, protests etc.

Imo it goes to show either A) way more people are just asymptomatic carriers

Or B) the community spread is farrrrr less than originally expected.

Honestly, besides the raw numbers there’s almost no way you can say people are just doing “so good!” Here in BC

No one wears masks, seemingly very little frequent sanitation on high touch points at malls etc. People going FAR beyond their small social circles.

Doesn’t add up.

[whitev70r]

Not cool that this has to happen. C'mon people, if there is work, take it. It was only meant to tie you over.

Manitoba will pay people $2000 to get off CERB

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...tive-1.5623580

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Not cool that this has to happen. C'mon people, if there is work, take it. It was only meant to tie you over.

Manitoba will pay people $2000 to get off CERB

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...tive-1.5623580

Most people that are on CERB also happen to be part of the lowest wage earners. Their way of thinking is probably why would I go back to my minimum wage job when I can just sit at home all day and collect "free money"

[Tegra_Devil]

just cancel the CERB and call it a day

[Hondaracer]

Stay at home and not get exposed to random strangers AND make more than you would while going to work? Who would have thought?... :/

[ilovebacon]

I've abandoned CERB to work remotely. Not everyone is greedy.. My part time employer did asked me to come back in. Rejected her because I was already sick of working in that kind of environment.

[blkgsr]

Originally Posted by Tegra_Devil

just cancel the CERB and call it a day

this is the only solution

[Hondaracer]

Shun your cerb friends

[320icar]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Shun your cerb friends

Already started doing that.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

There has also been virtually no major spikes weeks after the long weekend partying, protests etc.

I thought the US had a big spike after the Memorial Day long weekend?

[1337]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...nths-1.4997427

The U.S. on Tuesday reported 34,700 new cases of the virus, according to a tally compiled by Johns Hopkins University that was published Wednesday. There have been only two previous days that the U.S. has reported more cases: April 9 and April 24, when a record 36,400 cases were logged.

New cases in the U.S. have been surging for more than a week after trending down for more than six weeks. While early hot spots like New York and New Jersey have seen cases steadily decrease, the virus has been hitting the south and west. Several states on Tuesday set single-day records, including Arizona, California, Mississippi, Nevada and Texas.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by underscore

I thought the US had a big spike after the Memorial Day long weekend?

Speaking moreso towards B.C.

Other places in the state’s have obviously been beyond careless in their reopening