coronavirus discussion

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by underscore

Like fast contact tracing, wearing masks, maintaining physical distancing and cutting social interaction? Which have been proposed for months but too many people on this continent are too dense to figure it out.

You pretty much just listed Biden's plan for the virus (plus increased PPE manufacturing for hospitals)

[westopher]

Yeah well it’s been everyone’s “plan” here in Canada but you need to implement it. It’s not going well because of the freedumb idiots.

[pastarocket]

I heard on News1130 radio this morning that some government officials in other provinces are discussing the possibility of imposing curfews in order to try to flatten the curve.

-brings back memories of a curfew that my aunt, uncle, and some of American cousin faced this year in Arizona:

Emergency Declaration, Curfew In Place
News Release May 31, 2020
Declaration Also Authorizes An Expanded National Guard Mobilization

PHOENIX

Curfew In Place
News ReleaseMay 31, 2020
Declaration Also Authorizes An Expanded National Guard Mobilization

PHOENIX — Governor Doug Ducey today issued a statewide Declaration of Emergency, including putting in place a curfew starting at 8:00 p.m. tonight. The curfew is in effect from 8:00 p.m. until 5:00 a.m. and shall expire on Monday, June 8, at 5:00 a.m. unless further extended.

Do you think Dr. Bonnie will advise Horgan to impose a curfew if our daily Covid cases do not go down substantially after two weeks?

[JDMDreams]

Impose a curfew during dawali

[Liquid_o2]

Would curfews get people to stop hanging out? My sister lives in Surrey and she mentioned that so many people she knows are still getting together with family, cousins, kids are having play dates, going out for dinner - majority is disregarding the mandates from Dr. Henry. South of the Fraser is a disaster.

Rather than a curfew I would prefer a blanket mask mandate for Metro Vancouver, coupled with large fines for hosting gatherings, attending gatherings, etc. Just not sure how it would be monitored...

[CivicBlues]

what good is a mask mandate going to do when people keep meeting indoors? Just fine the fuckers and start breaking down doors.

[Hondaracer]

What more do you want from masks? Wear them the second you leave your home?

Nah

[underscore]

Start requiring them in businesses? I've had to go in for car insurance twice, once I was there for an hour, and not one other person who came in had a mask on.

[mikemhg]

I truly think we need to think outside the box in an effort to "open up the economy".

There has to be a mitigated risk equation here. We have a universal system, and hospital can't turn away patients, that's the primary factor here. With that system in place, it's almost impossible to impose some type of waiver system in which you may take the mitigated risk say to attend a conference, or concert, if you contract COVID, your costs are out of pocket.

Yes, I know that would be almost impossible to impose, I just wish we could start thinking of other solutions here.

I was speaking with a collogue on this one, and I truly think the message has been poorly outlined to the public. We need to get more away from the doom and gloom "you're gonna die!" message, and break it down more simply.

Plain and simple, the primary reason for the restrictions is to ensure the hospitals don't get over inundated. That should be repeated full stop by public officials, yes I know it has been, but I don't think so effectively, really that's the No 1 issue, and biggest problem here, not the fact whether or not you'll die from COVID.

The stories I'm hearing from VGH, that's the biggest headache, our hospitals aren't built to properly deal with having to setup separate sealed areas for COVID patients, so when we get an influx like we're having right now, it creates total chaos. People don't seem to understand that basic fact, the media should do a better job to explain that, and show people what it looks like and the difficulties involved with having to move patients around in a hospital, creating new wards and such as a result.

Speaking of Diwali, apparently most of the COVID patients coming into VGH right now are in fact South Asian, fascinatingly enough.

[SkinnyPupp]

Letting people say fuck it, I'll let myself get the virus... AKA the Rogan Solution... The problem is these people are what cause it to spread rapidly and cause hospital overcrowding, which is actually the main issue (only because we don't know the long term effects yet).

[68style]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Speaking of Diwali, apparently most of the COVID patients coming into VGH right now are in fact South Asian, fascinatingly enough.

No mystery here, even my brown friends told me it’s business as usual for a lot of weddings, hosting events at houses in backyards and the weddings for 400+ illegally at farms in Abbotsford and the caterers don’t say shit cuz they need the business.

[punkwax]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7453469/c...-study-lancet/

Nearly 20% of those who get the vid develop mental health issues. This scares the shit out of me. Strongly considering keeping my kids home from school again after somewhat reluctantly allowing them to go..

[westopher]

Ehhhhh like 1/4 people have mental health issue that are undiagnosed anyways. I wouldn’t get more worried about that. Anyone with any substantial trauma pretty much ends up with mental health issues. I think that statistic is the perfect example of correlation =/= causation.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by 68style

No mystery here, even my brown friends told me it’s business as usual for a lot of weddings, hosting events at houses in backyards and the weddings for 400+ illegally at farms in Abbotsford and the caterers don’t say shit cuz they need the business.

And yet skids are still spitting-on and sucker-punching elderly and small Asian women, it makes my skin fucking boil

[RRxtar]

The media and society making it out to be that anyone that gets covid is a horrible person who's going to be the cause of people dying, and then saying people who get covid will: habe symptoms for months, will have mental health issues, will never recover completely, etc. That on top of the already huge anxiety about society collapsing, people being destroyed financially, normal life being turned upside down, and all the doom and gloom in the world right now, which already has people struggling to hold it together. Its creation a ton of probably unnecessary fear around it so of course people are going to have anxiety if they catch it and since our society and populations are so shit at dealing with anxiety (look at prescription drug use) and we love labeling everything, they now have "mental health issues".

[68style]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

And yet skids are still spitting-on and sucker-punching elderly and small Asian women, it makes my skin fucking boil

Drug addicts and morally obtuse people aren’t known for rational or logical thought unfortunately...

[BIC_BAWS]

Testing turnaround time seems to be very variable. Coworker got tested on Sunday at Richmond, got the negative test results today. I got my test done yesterday at Richmond, got my negative test results today.

Friend's sister got tested a few weeks ago and got it back in 4 days.

[SpeedStars]

^ how do you go about getting tested? Back in March/April I tried to get tested but they would not test me unless I exhibited all symptoms and had trouble breathing or chest pains.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by RRxtar

The media and society making it out to be that anyone that gets covid is a horrible person who's going to be the cause of people dying, and then saying people who get covid will: habe symptoms for months, will have mental health issues, will never recover completely, etc. That on top of the already huge anxiety about society collapsing, people being destroyed financially, normal life being turned upside down, and all the doom and gloom in the world right now, which already has people struggling to hold it together. Its creation a ton of probably unnecessary fear around it so of course people are going to have anxiety if they catch it and since our society and populations are so shit at dealing with anxiety (look at prescription drug use) and we love labeling everything, they now have "mental health issues".

This is a double edged argument, full or extreme assumptive arguments. You can't lump everything into a bag and label it mental health issues.

First off, if you get covid, the people around you will judge you based on your actions/attitude. We had a positive case at work around April, and because everyone knew said person took things seriously and didn't do anything they weren't supposed to, everybody was supportive. If we knew said person was a shitstain that went clubbing every weekend, of course they will judge poorly upon their character.

Prolonged/life-long symptoms should be a motive to try and to everything you can do NOT get it in the first place, which doesn't add any more anxiety if one was careful anyway. And the YOLOers won't care to begin with.

6 months into the pandemic I think most people are realizing that it isn't the end of the world, and while I've been fortunate to keep working through it all, even those impacted financially are all realizing that at least there's a decent safety net in Canada (yay socialism!)

I get what you're saying, but the mental health piece is a separate matter IMO. If you were struggling with things before, then yes of course Covid probably didn't make things better. But it's a bit of a stretch to say Covid alone caused mental health issues.

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by SpeedStars

^ how do you go about getting tested? Back in March/April I tried to get tested but they would not test me unless I exhibited all symptoms and had trouble breathing or chest pains.

You have to lie about it quite frankly. I only did because my coworker's dad had contact with someone that tested positive.

I'm worried about false negative since I got my result back so fast.

[Hondaracer]

Nothin like lying about symptoms to clog up the system for the actual positive cases.

Coworkers dad being in contact with Somone who is positive is not an exposure event to you.

[threezero]

Originally Posted by SpeedStars

^ how do you go about getting tested? Back in March/April I tried to get tested but they would not test me unless I exhibited all symptoms and had trouble breathing or chest pains.

Sign up to work in films.

Somehow they are able to test every single one working on filmset with a week turnaround time to ensure they can be on set.

[twitchyzero]

does 14 day quarantine before 9/25 goes through EI sickness benefit? do i still need updated roe with internet self-reporting if it was only for those 2 weeks? the phone queue was > 1hr

[Mikoyan]

Originally Posted by threezero

Sign up to work in films.

Somehow they are able to test every single one working on filmset with a week turnaround time to ensure they can be on set.

Private testing contract with lifelabs. Saw a news article last month that productions were running into testing backlogs too. Some tests were shipped to WA state apparently.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I truly think we need to think outside the box in an effort to "open up the economy".

We don't need to think outside the box. We need to follow good examples.

List all the countries that have had real success containing the virus, and see how we can adapt their measures.

Let's just talk about Taiwan because I know there the best and I think we can definitely take some of their stuff and adapt to fit our culture/regulations.

Track&trace:
This is the core component of TW's strategy. Of course our privacy laws are vastly different. China is even worse on that, but this is one of their core strategies as it gives a flying fuck about privacy.

But it can be a very simple app. Anyone can register with their phone number, it will keep track of your whereabouts on the phone but anonymous to the server as registration process record no names, just a phone number. You can even go another step to encrypt those numbers so that only the system knows the actual numbers making it impossible to access those data except the system. Anyone who wants to go into any public place like a resto/gym... or any private property that opens to public, (owner/operators of these entities can choose to require that as safety measure), you scan to check-in to verify that you have not been in close proximity of the virus.

When a case is identified, the tracing of that person is compared to everyone in the database, and notify affected "numbers" so these people can stay low for a while. (they will be unable to go into business that requires them). When one's yellow/red-flagged, they can either stay low or go into a testing facility to have them green-lighted again following a test.

Anyway, I might be talking shit as I'm no privacy law expert. However, the idea is to create a way for people to go on with their normal business WITH a catch to deal with this fucking virus. And one can choose to either participate or just do everything online with no activity that involves gathering in places with others.