coronavirus discussion

[Teriyaki]

Have regular 40-50ppl meetings on Teams with no issues. Granted its usually only the 10 or so with video feed but technology really shouldn't be an excuse at this point.

[threezero]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

Dr. Bonnie has to deal with some pretty stupid questions from people about the workplace.

She mentioned during today's Covid update that an employer asked her "Can I have an in person staff meeting of 12 people inside a room?".

Her two part answer was "Yes, if each person in that meeting can maintain a minimum of 6 feet of distance between every person in that meeting".

"The bigger question is why do you need 12 people to attend an in person meeting?"

Do employers not use Zoom, MS Teams, or other technical solutions for video conference calls??

Dr. Bonnie said that she is really surprised that an employer asked her this question at this time.

Not a stupid question at all. Most of us working in live event industry that are holding on for dear life NEEDS clarification like this.

Yes yes, you can use technology to connect people but some meeting still needs to be conducted in person. Case in point union negotiation that for some reason needs to be conducted in person.

Business event have still been taking place for the past few month following the strict social distancing/cleaning guideline provided by the government. Many recurring event that has been book in advance are now facing the dilemma of whether their meeting now violates the new restriction.

This would determine how and if they can cancel without penalty.

Dr.Bonnie saying Business meeting is okay as longs you meet social distancing policy = if you cancel it is your decision. Full cancellation clause applies

Dr.Bonnie saying no to the same question means planner can claim force majeure and suddenly you have a way more lenient cancellation policy.

Bigger issue is Dr.Bonnie being surprise by this. Will not go well with the industry see as the live event industry have been basically push aside since the pandemic. We have been deem non-essential and never given the same type of attention for re-opening/revival of the industry compare to say restaurants and bars.

Vague wording and confusion by the government on why people are still meeting while following guideline provide by the government themselves is not helping the cause as all.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Frankly it’s this type of language and the PC cultured associated that makes her messaging so ineffective.

So sorry, people who have been knowingly breaking the rules in private ARENT to blame? Ok

It's a sign of the times - whether you agree with PC or not if she were to come out and call out east indian people, or filipinos, or whatever, there will be such a big uproar it'll even further diminish her message.

You really have to understand, she has an absolutely shitty job right now.

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

^^ we tried to have a 6 person webex meeting at work, basically our images crap out and you only see a grey screen

That's cause WebEx is crap LOL

I remember using it for my internship to communicate with Australia branch. What a mess

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[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

It's a sign of the times - whether you agree with PC or not if she were to come out and call out east indian people, or filipinos, or whatever, there will be such a big uproar it'll even further diminish her message.

she almost kinda did though

Dr. Bonnie Henry said the increase of cases in the South Asian community is mainly due to weddings and celebration-of-life events.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/11...ian-community/

bit shocked to see SkinnyPupp fast to call out the whites though

[JDMDreams]

I see nothing wrong with calling the offenders out. This at the end of the day is a pandemic. They need to be way more transparent about who, where, when, rather than hiding what businesses or who in schools has been infected. Especially when they are so adamant on keeping them open.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I see nothing wrong with calling the offenders out. This at the end of the day is a pandemic. They need to be way more transparent about who, where, when, rather than hiding what businesses or who in schools has been infected. Especially when they are so adamant on keeping them open.

You do have to be careful, though. As we saw at the beginning of the outbreak, people of Asian descent were the targets of violence, harassment, racism, etc. because the virus originated in China.

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh I made fun of white people a few months ago, that means I'm racist and bring it up constantly

White people are such snowflakes

[fishCak3s]

I feel strongly about mandating masks as we've see from countries that are doing well. US CDC just published a study that masks not only prevents spreading the virus but also protecting the wearer from inhaling infectious droplets.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html

Health and Human Services Secretary of the US came out on TV and said where they found at 1m if both people wearing masks, it can reduce viral transmission by 70% therefore protecting both the infected from spreading the virus and the wearer.

One thing Dr. Henry said today bothered me. A reporter asked what will she say to the business owners that are having difficulties enforcing mask wearing in their establishment because customers would say "Dr. Henry tells me I don't have to wear one so you can't force me to."
Dr. Henry replied that businesses need to include mask wearing in their covid safety plan which is more enforceable than her making it an order to wear a mask and it's an expectation to wear a mask in public indoor spaces in this province which people know.

Clearly the owner of these businesses have mandated mask wearing that's why they're hearing these comments and I've seen enough covid safety plans to say most require masks.
Dr. Henry did not answer the question but rather putting it back onto the business owners that are asking for her guidance.

[winson604]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

^^ we tried to have a 6 person webex meeting at work, basically our images crap out and you only see a grey screen

Damn, maybe old version? At the start of Covid we upgraded our webex and I've had meetings up to like 90 people without issue.

[Amuse]

https://youtu.be/Z4_K5Mm8eJA

[underscore]

Are there no standards requirements for things put on billboards here to be factual? Someone paid for space on a digital one here with "COVID: Is the cure worse than the disease?"

[CRS]

Originally Posted by fishCak3s

I feel strongly about mandating masks as we've see from countries that are doing well. US CDC just published a study that masks not only prevents spreading the virus but also protecting the wearer from inhaling infectious droplets.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html

Health and Human Services Secretary of the US came out on TV and said where they found at 1m if both people wearing masks, it can reduce viral transmission by 70% therefore protecting both the infected from spreading the virus and the wearer.

One thing Dr. Henry said today bothered me. A reporter asked what will she say to the business owners that are having difficulties enforcing mask wearing in their establishment because customers would say "Dr. Henry tells me I don't have to wear one so you can't force me to."
Dr. Henry replied that businesses need to include mask wearing in their covid safety plan which is more enforceable than her making it an order to wear a mask and it's an expectation to wear a mask in public indoor spaces in this province which people know.

Clearly the owner of these businesses have mandated mask wearing that's why they're hearing these comments and I've seen enough covid safety plans to say most require masks.
Dr. Henry did not answer the question but rather putting it back onto the business owners that are asking for her guidance.

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of this BS.

We need to mandate masks.

If there's a second lockdown, my life (and that of my household) will not change much. If your life changes drastically, you're the reason why there's a second lockdown.

[6793026]

vancovuer sun article is estimating 2500 cases daily by december.. holy F.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by CRS

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of this BS.

We need to mandate masks.

If there's a second lockdown, my life (and that of my household) will not change much. If your life changes drastically, you're the reason why there's a second lockdown.

That's a pretty unfair statement to make. Not everyone can work remotely. Loss of job is a pretty fucking drastic life change.
I assume you didn't mean it that way, but a lockdown is a pretty drastic situation for people who are following the rules still, and have been the whole time.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by westopher

That's a pretty unfair statement to make. Not everyone can work remotely. Loss of job is a pretty fucking drastic life change.
I assume you didn't mean it that way, but a lockdown is a pretty drastic situation for people who are following the rules still, and have been the whole time.

You're right.

I should have articulated better with saying that it applies to people's social interactions rather than lives as a whole.

[westopher]

We have stuck to our "bubble" so to speak. There are really only two couples we have seen throughout this in a social setting, and it's been in restaurants, not at our homes, as directed, and honestly, not seeing them is (and even has been this week) a drastic change for us. Some people are much more social than others. Me and my wife don't have kids, and seeing just a couple other people across the table to have a burger and a beer, and to shoot the shit about how our weeks were is a big part of our lives. It seems small, but it's a big contributor to well being.
It does really suck being at work, and see groups of people (who I assume) completely disregarding it, but we cant police it due to the way the directives are worded. Although we have in obvious situations. A fucking group of 10 people tried to come in and seat their kids at a different table than them as a clear group of three households. It was just like, GTFO of here.

[JDMDreams]

A lockdown is coming whether your like it or not, they are at the point they have no choice, as it's just going to get worse if they don't. You can thank Canada's everything is fine, reactionary policies, we will wait to see what happens rather than being proactive and future proofing.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by underscore

Are there no standards requirements for things put on billboards here to be factual? Someone paid for space on a digital one here with "COVID: Is the cure worse than the disease?"

Well the WHO has similar wording on their own site. As does the UN

Albeit for mostly 3rd world countries though where supply chain breakdown = starvation

[320icar]

Originally Posted by underscore

Are there no standards requirements for things put on billboards here to be factual? Someone paid for space on a digital one here with "COVID: Is the cure worse than the disease?"

Obviously not, I see religious billboards all the time trololololo

[mikemhg]

Just started mandating mask wearing at my gym going forward, imposed by City of Burnaby.

[Hondaracer]

Great..my gym also in Burnaby.

Pretty shit because there are 4 ppl in a 600+ sq foot section :/

[Doubl3_H]

My office made it mandatory to mask up when you leave your office. Walking down to get a coffee, mask up, going to the shitters, mask up.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by Doubl3_H

My office made it mandatory to mask up when you leave your office. Walking down to get a coffee, mask up, going to the shitters, mask up.

Yup, same. I guess this is what Bonnie Henry meant when she put the onus on businesses rather than a blanket mandate. We had immediate 100% compliance, although it is a professional setting rather than a warehouse or restaurant, etc.

[westopher]

We have had mandatory masks for staff since April, and have 100% compliance. If you don’t have it, you don’t work. It’s simple.