coronavirus discussion

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Businesses can do their part once vaccine rolls out to incentivize getting it . Want to get on a plane? Show your vaccine card. Want to watch a movie in the theatre? Show your vaccine card. Eat at a crowded chain restaurant like Earls/Cactus/Joeys? Card!

Like that Matt Damon movie, those who weren't vaccinated yet had to stay inside, and those who were had a scannable tag... or like China with their phone app

Japan should do that with the Olympics next year, want to come to the olympics/enter Japan? Show us it vaccination papers, or get vaccinated at customs

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Love dis dystopian timeline

You keep saying things like this as if somehow it means anything.

It's not really dystopian if you consider the alternatives, no? You want to live on a farm secluded from everyone else? No? How about in the jungle? No? Arctic circle?

Like is 2020 dystopian compared to 1950 because we all have to wear seatbelts and not drink when we drive?

What about 1950 compared to 1800? You're not allowed to shit in the street anymore! Dystopia!!

What about 1800 compared to 1300? What? I can't pillage my neighbour and rape his wife!? Government tyranny!

Like seriously man.

[Hondaracer]

Having a chip on your person to prove you were injected with some RNA vaccine aint equivalent to wearing a seatbelt lol..

I dont really care as i will get the vaccine asap if that means international travel is opened up.

I bring up the dystopian part because this is the type of thing that countless fiction novels have been written on. and to stir covid cucks like yourself up

[320icar]

Thank god they don’t put chips in face masks or you’d have a complete toddler tantrum

[CivicBlues]

who is talking about implanting chips onto your person? Sounds like Bill Gates 5G conspiracy fuckery to me. I'm talking about the yellow booklet that you get filled in when you get your Hep A/MMR/Tetanus shots.

Many countries already do this with the Yellow Fever vaccine. Don't have one? Get denied entry or get jabbed on the spot by some sketchy border guard.

[Hondaracer]

when i say chip i just mean RFID built into your phone etc. which would have the health data or an app

[welfare]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

who is talking about implanting chips onto your person? Sounds like Bill Gates 5G conspiracy fuckery to me. I'm talking about the yellow booklet that you get filled in when you get your Hep A/MMR/Tetanus shots.

Many countries already do this with the Yellow Fever vaccine. Don't have one? Get denied entry or get jabbed on the spot by some sketchy border guard.

Those vaccines weren't developed within a year though. And not on a scale of what's projected for a covid vaccine.

[68style]

Guilty of yellow fever here

[underscore]

Private companies are already logging all kinds of info about you, if they care to I imagine it'd be easy for them to determine (or guess) whether you get a COVID vaccine. I'm not exactly a fan of such things but if they're happening anyways may as well be useful and provide accurate vaccination information.

Spoiler!

[MG1]

Just got news that two seniors from the care home my mother-in-law is in got taken to hospital last night. They were in the same ward/wing. For the longest time, they were in lock down. Then in recent months, they’ve been allowing visitors. Not sure what their rules were, but nobody visited her from our family. My mother in law was very understanding and we definitely didn’t want to be the ones to bring Covid to the place. How can people place others at risk? I don’t get it. I drop off goodies to the place. Items are sanitized and put together with gloves. The newsletters I print out as quarantined for a few weeks.

Someone was careless at the place. I listen to Bonnie Henry’s reports with fingers crossed that the care home would not be mentioned.

Now all I can do is hope they totally clean the place and isolate everybody.

[320icar]

How can people place others at risk? I don’t get it.

My family friend, her father had a bad stroke a few years ago and hasn’t been able to be home since, has been in a long term care facility. Not old either, late 60’s. He had another stroke and has been non-verbal since. His mind is there, but has no easy way of communicating since he can no longer talk and has poor dexterity.

They haven’t been able to see him since February. He is wasting away in a care home and it’s hurting the family deeply. His wife is home with the grandchildren, but hasn’t been able to see her husband of 45 years for months when he needs her the most.

Covid sucks. It’s unfortunate on all sides. Do I think it’s selfish to risk bringin in covid to a care facility? Yes. But I also see the other side of that coin.

[GLOW]

dystopian?
there's no talk of Daybreakers, I am Legend, or 28 days later...we're not there yet

[twitchyzero]

Lessons from Australia: Victoria shows the world what a real lockdown looks like

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ysis-1.5804343

but i thought only puppet states can control covid well doe
our culture not following rules/recommendation is a poor excuse

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Businesses can do their part once vaccine rolls out to incentivize getting it . Want to get on a plane? Show your vaccine card. Want to watch a movie in the theatre? Show your vaccine card. Eat at a crowded chain restaurant like Earls/Cactus/Joeys? Card!

might as well wear a star on your arm
i'm for vaccination but a health card is a slippery slope

[SkinnyPupp]

It is absolutely dystopian to do what's being discussed here. I think a lot of people will accept it though, as it may be the only way to "move on" from where we are now.

[CivicBlues]

What kind of dystopian fiction are you guys reading? Getting a vaccine and then telling people about it so you can patronize their business for a year, maybe 2 tops, so we can get back to normal is hardly the stuff of nightmares.

The reality we live in now (lockdown/half-measures, anti-mask protests, politicizing a disease, businesses shuttering) is much more dystopian IMO.

[Hondaracer]

Well in any fiction novel it would seem those two would go hand in hand no? Lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

What kind of dystopian fiction are you guys reading? Getting a vaccine and then telling people about it so you can patronize their business for a year, maybe 2 tops, so we can get back to normal is hardly the stuff of nightmares.

The reality we live in now (lockdown/half-measures, anti-mask protests, politicizing a disease, businesses shuttering) is much more dystopian IMO.

IMO it's dystopian in that it will create a huge divide in society - vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Add to that the fact that this division will be traceable via something like an ID card, or more likely a phone app, makes it also look like something you'd see in dystopian sci-fi.

Picture the scenario someone pointed out above, the idea being totally reasonable to have to scan your phone or show a card to be allowed to go to into a restaurant or to see a movie.

It's a logical solution, and like I said a lot of people are going to accept it. And it's not something like a social credit score or anything like that. But it's still eerily similar to what you think of when you consider a dystopian future. Also what if some people can't get access to a vaccine for whatever reason? Maybe there will be issues where some vaccines are better than others, or some make certain people sick? We don't know anything yet. And Canadians will be covered, but what about countries where people would have to pay for the vaccine themselves? In that case, there will be many who can't afford it.

Also, once the tracing and splitting up and tracing society starts, do you think it will stop there? Or will society move towards tracing more things? Things like this usually only go in one direction.

[Obsideon]

I'm probably gonna get fails but if given the choice I for one would vote to bring the hammer down hard and get it over with.
What's 1 month of complete total lockdown (EVERYTHING shutdown), need permit to leave the house, etc) compared to this current situation of dragging this on for 10 months and counting? ...
I had a discussion with a friend (over the phone of course lolz) and the best example is... would you rather take 1 hard swift kick in the nuts and be done with it or would you prefer to take a punch to the gut every month for the rest of the year?

[SumAznGuy]

717 new cases with 11 deaths.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by Obsideon

I'm probably gonna get fails but if given the choice I for one would vote to bring the hammer down hard and get it over with.
What's 1 month of complete total lockdown (EVERYTHING shutdown), need permit to leave the house, etc) compared to this current situation of dragging this on for 10 months and counting? ...
I had a discussion with a friend (over the phone of course lolz) and the best example is... would you rather take 1 hard swift kick in the nuts and be done with it or would you prefer to take a punch to the gut every month for the rest of the year?

But it's not going to be done with after a month. There's no reason why it wouldn't just come back once things open up again

[Ch28]

https://archive.news.gov.bc.ca/relea...061-001943.htm

VICTORIA – Dr. Bonnie Henry, B.C.’s provincial health officer, and Adrian Dix, Minister of Health, have issued the following joint statement regarding updates on the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) response in British Columbia:

“Today, we are reporting 717 new cases of COVID-19, including one epi-linked case, for a total of 23,661 cases in British Columbia.

“There are 6,589 active cases of COVID-19 in the province. There are 198 individuals currently hospitalized with COVID-19, 63 of whom are in intensive care. The remaining people are recovering at home in self-isolation.

“Currently, 10,960 people are under active public health monitoring as a result of identified exposure to known cases and 16,469 people who tested positive have recovered.

“We have had 177 new cases of COVID-19 in the Vancouver Coastal Health region, 484 in the Fraser Health region, 16 in the Island Health region, 18 in the Interior Health region, 21 in the Northern Health region and one new case of a person who resides outside of Canada.

“There have been 11 new COVID-19 related deaths, for a total of 310 deaths in British Columbia. We offer our condolences to everyone who has lost their loved ones during the COVID-19 pandemic.

“We have one new health-care facility outbreak at Tsawaayuss-Rainbow Gardens in the Island Health region. There have been no new community outbreaks.

“We need everyone working together to stay small, stay local and help us slow the spread of COVID-19 in our province.

“The biggest impact you can make is through the small actions you take every day.

“Just as we put on our jackets to keep us warm in the rain and snow, so too are our COVID-19 safety layers there to protect all of us. Washing your hands, keeping a safe distance and always wearing a mask in places where you are around people you don’t know – these things make a difference.

“We have seen an increase in new cases on Vancouver Island, in the Interior and in the North, many of which are connected to travel to and from the Lower Mainland. That is why is it important that we stay local and travel less right now.

“When we spend time inside with people from outside of our household, our work group or school cohort, the risks increase for everyone. Instead, let’s stay connected virtually and make it a safer winter for all of us.”

[pastarocket]

C'mon Dr. Bonnie, and Horgan, take decisive action! Our daily Covid cases are going up at a scary rate!

We need curfews at night for at least a week to flatten the curve.

From what my American cousins in Arizona state tell me, their two curfews this year from 8pm to 5am for two periods of one week each helped flatten their curve.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

IMO it's dystopian in that it will create a huge divide in society - vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Add to that the fact that this division will be traceable via something like an ID card, or more likely a phone app, makes it also look like something you'd see in dystopian sci-fi.

Picture the scenario someone pointed out above, the idea being totally reasonable to have to scan your phone or show a card to be allowed to go to into a restaurant or to see a movie.

It's a logical solution, and like I said a lot of people are going to accept it. And it's not something like a social credit score or anything like that. But it's still eerily similar to what you think of when you consider a dystopian future. Also what if some people can't get access to a vaccine for whatever reason? Maybe there will be issues where some vaccines are better than others, or some make certain people sick? We don't know anything yet.

Also, once the tracing and splitting up and tracing society starts, do you think it will stop there? Or will society move towards tracing more things? Things like this usually only go in one direction.

It's going to create serious social issues, IMO.
Look how split people have become just over masks. And that's only a piece of cloth. Vaccines will be the same only amplified

[MG1]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

Last time I was at Walmart, back in June, their machines didn't accept tap.
You had to touch the key pad to enter your code. Ewww

Well, I’ll be a Gorilla’s nephew.................. I just came out of the Walmart on Grandview Hwy. Cancel the call for all Karen’s. The self serve checkouts now have tap. I even used my Amex card and it worked. Like I said, “I’ll be a monkey’s uncle.”

I did have my gloves in my pocket. Didn’t need to whip it out.

[inv4zn]

Social aspects aside, the word dystopia actually means an unjust society or one with great suffering. The stuff from Orwell and Bradbury (or Hunger Games) could be called one, but that's heavily leaning on the fact that everyone's life is controlled by the state, and essentially your freedom is given up.

With vaccines, many countries require kids to get shots before being allowed into school, with a few exemptions (medical, religious, whatever) - is that dystopian?

My 7 month old has a little handheld booklet the doctor fills out. She doesn't have any chips in her body (seriously, what a stupid thing to even bring up at this point), nor is she in some government database with credits added to her name so she can travel out of the city.

Watching a movie, or even international travel for leisure isn't really a right either. Private business can do what they want as long as it doesn't violate the Canadian charter of rights and freedoms.

You want to look at a real life dystopia, just look at China. That's what a near-dystopian future looks like and it's scary af that we all live on the same planet. But to say what we face here in Canada as dystopian is pretty entitled, and pretty stupid.