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It's also totally not necessary. Just making the point, that you don't just get to say, oh we cant do it. The restrictions that have been put in place really don't change just because you cant do it. You adapt, or you die.
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Delivery/pickup only from the major retailers would only be doable if they bought/rented several more trucks per delivery area, that's quite the endeavour, can't see them doing that
And then there's all the mom n pop grocers who would either be forced to do the same or be exempt, and that'll lead to more issues
I can't imagine any of our leaders being able to conceive or execute something like that
I know there’s some random like Vietnamese grocery stores in East Van along Kingsway and a smattering of produce stores on Fraser St...... but are there really any more than a handful of highly ethno-centric “mom and pop” grocery stores nowadays????
A walk-in grocery store also is not an essential service. Could easily do pick-up/delivery like a restaurant.
during first lock down, grocery pick up wait list was 1 week +
and even if you did managed to wait that long, by the time it's your turn to pick up, they would tell you all the items you wanted is out of stock.
grocery pick up is really shit show, because you can't reserve milk, bread, like you reserve TV at Best buy for pick up.
I think a point to not overlook is exposure time. I spent 8 seconds walking past someone in a grocery store isle? Versus an hour (450x longer than the isle encounter) sitting in an indoor space without masks eating with other people doing the same thing.
Just saying it’s not exactly apples to apples. But he brings up great points. But I don’t think anyone is blaming restaurants? Hasn’t it been proven they’re safer than most?
Yeah I guess it's all relative.
Just seems kind of unfair that restaurants need to adhere to such strict protocol laid out by health officials while most other businesses, where the virus is easily transmissible, are allowed to operate solely on protocol (or lack thereof) set by management.
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Like previously mentioned though, you might walk by someone for 3 seconds at a grocery store.
Even less time if you can see them hacking a lung up and stay the F away from them.
Restaurants - You are laughing, talking, mask-less, and often loosened up with some alcohol.
Droplets don't just say "Oh y'all just havin' happy hour? I'll leave you guys alone then"
Also why is it suddenly that 6 feet social distance doesn't apply here?
If you're dining out with 5 friends and all of you have your own bubble, how safe is that?
There is definitely a balance of economic health and personal health that needs to be upkept, and this whole "unprecedented" event (Honestly whats unprecedented is how much the word "unprecedented" is used) is our feeling out process of how to balance things.
Remember SARS? Swine Flu? I don't remember seeing too too much of our daily life impacted during those situations.
If you're dining out with 5 friends and all of you have your own bubble, how safe is that?
That’s NOT how the bubble is suppose to work. If you’re out having dinner with 5 friends, then you and your friends have already completely filled your bubble right there, and no one at that table should be socializing with anyone else.
Not putting you on blast, but it’s a perfect example of why it doesn’t matter how many soft rules the gov puts in place, people are willfully ignorant on them and how they work.
^^ no Costco isn't. I think they are tightened up. I was there yesterday and they were limiting people in in groups. There was also suspiciously the shortest line up to pay I've ever seen. I literally walked right up to the cashier. Costco isn't stupid like other big box stores.
Costco has been limiting to 300 members in the store at a time since ~March. That being said it’s up to normal people to try and limit it. Sometimes they let in big dumps instead of 20 at a time. Everyone goes to the same area (produce, meat, bakery etc) so it feels packed, but the automotive isle and battery isles are dead.
Then there’s the idiot managers who will sometimes just let more people in. If you ever feel it’s too packed and cannot social distance, just call local bylaw to come check it out
They went from 33K on the worst day day down to 12K yesterday
Also, third wave is hitting Korea, and they are up to 500 cases a day
Japan at 2500 a day
If you have full lockdown, OF COURSE the rate would drop, but the cost is millions or billions worth of economic activities.
The difficult task is how to RESUME an economy without Covid coming back.
How long can an economy sustain without long term damages and suffering (business all winding down... no jobs)?
Lockdown is just the easy way out... as a way of saying "Look, we are fucking doing something". Without other long term plans in place, Covid has shown throughout the world that they'd come back with fury like the case in BC.
It's like giving morphine to a patient in pain... the morphine gives an instant ease on the pain (infection rate)... but if the patient isn't treated, he/she's done.
Taiwan. This was back on Oct 29th, today it is like 232 days without a single case of Coronavirus transmission. Damn ... they don't just do salt and pepper chicken, BBT, and beef noodles right!
Chinese officials gave the world more optimistic data than they had access to internally
China's system took on average 23 days to diagnose confirmed patients, and testing failures meant most received negative results until January 10
A history of underfunding, understaffing, poor morale and bureaucratic models of governance hampered China's early warning system, internal audits found
A large and previously undisclosed outbreak of influenza happened in early December in Hubei province.
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That’s NOT how the bubble is suppose to work. If you’re out having dinner with 5 friends, then you and your friends have already completely filled your bubble right there, and no one at that table should be socializing with anyone else.
Not putting you on blast, but it’s a perfect example of why it doesn’t matter how many soft rules the gov puts in place, people are willfully ignorant on them and how they work.
I think he was saying each of the 5 friends have their own bubble, so having the 5 of them eat sit & together isn’t very safe.
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80% of the deaths once again happening in long term care facilities and over 1300 cases related to long term care facilities.
There is seemingly no will to address this. If you can’t do on site testing then clearly it’s not a priority to stop these exposures and deaths in these places.
Edit* 750, 700, and then 500 however points towards a potential plateau in cases as we were closer to 900 last week
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80% of the deaths once again happening in long term care facilities and over 1300 cases related to long term care facilities.
There is seemingly no will to address this. If you can’t do on site testing then clearly it’s not a priority to stop these exposures and deaths in these places.
This is what strikes me the most. They keep preaching about keeping our bubbles small, shutting down "high risk" small businesses, how everyone should be doing our part, etc. Yet we know where the majority of deaths are there's no urgency and no plan to prevent these deaths from happening. We are seeing an outbreak after outbreak at our long term care facilities and nothing is being done about it. WHY? What details are they keeping from us?
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I think he was saying each of the 5 friends have their own bubble, so having the 5 of them eat sit & together isn’t very safe.
Yes I think you’re correct after re-reading. But I do stand by what I said, I have heard many people say that about the bubble. Even my own friends =_= which I don’t see anymore now
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