coronavirus discussion

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

You mean like how she waited till a year into the pandemic til she finally admitted to mandatory face mask? Typical Canadian do nothing it'll fix itself attitude.

i dont agree with mandated vaccines and her failure to mandate mask with months of public pressure is certainly not a canadian thing; look at how hard manitoba was cracking down last week

[quasi]

Originally Posted by 6793026

Holy crap... the list of schools which were once infected.
can't even copy and paste as its so long.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7349387/c...-in-b-c-dec-2/

You don't hear about 99% of them, almost every school and every place open to the public is having cases you just don't see it on the news.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by 6793026

Holy crap... the list of schools which were once infected.
can't even copy and paste as its so long.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7349387/c...-in-b-c-dec-2/


Sorry but u can't mandate shit; you can't force someone to take a drug, flu shots or vaccine. I ahven't dug into it, but what were the top 5 things in which the gov't can force you do (to your body specifically)? Not talking about taxes and income tax...

Honestly, if there are side effects down the road, what the fuck would happened and it'll be gong show as once people start having vaccine, they will even be less likely to abid to social norms as they'll think they'll be invincible. No mask, no social distancing, they'll just say "I have the vaccine"... how the fuck will you prove you have taken the vaccine so police can't arrest you for breaking COVID regulations.etc.....

Might be shorter to list schools which there hasn't been exposures......

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

The doctor who was on Joe Rogan

[westopher]

Where did this irrational fear of vaccines come from? Modern medicine has nearly eradicated devastating diseases like smallpox, polio, measles, etc.
People seem to be just picking and choosing stats about covid to justify how the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease. Yes it was developed quickly. Can you name another time in history where essentially every pharmaceutical lab on the planet was working to develop something, in a time where medicine has been this advanced?
More Americans died from covid yesterday than 9/11. And that’s been happening an average of every two days for like 6 months. That is with measures to contain the spread such as widespread shutdowns, mask mandates, travel restrictions, etc.
Yes you probably won’t die from covid.
Yes you probably won’t have long term effects from covid
Yes somebody you know probably will die or have long term effects from covid at this rate
No you probably won’t have long term effects from the vaccine
Yes taking the vaccine will prevent people you care about and yourself from infection.

Make a decision with the information at hand, and use as much of it as you can as opposed to one snippet to support a decision you already made before the information was looked at.

[welfare]

The mRNA vaccine is the first vaccine of it's kind. Developed in an historically short period. And to be distributed on a wider scale than any vaccine in history.
I don't think it's irrational at all to have doubts.

[Zedbra]

Originally Posted by westopher

Where did this irrational fear of vaccines come from? Modern medicine has nearly eradicated devastating diseases like smallpox, polio, measles, etc.
People seem to be just picking and choosing stats about covid to justify how the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease. Yes it was developed quickly. Can you name another time in history where essentially every pharmaceutical lab on the planet was working to develop something, in a time where medicine has been this advanced?
More Americans died from covid yesterday than 9/11. And that’s been happening an average of every two days for like 6 months. That is with measures to contain the spread such as widespread shutdowns, mask mandates, travel restrictions, etc.
Yes you probably won’t die from covid.
Yes you probably won’t have long term effects from covid
Yes somebody you know probably will die or have long term effects from covid at this rate
No you probably won’t have long term effects from the vaccine
Yes taking the vaccine will prevent people you care about and yourself from infection.

Make a decision with the information at hand, and use as much of it as you can as opposed to one snippet to support a decision you already made before the information was looked at.

Some things should not be rushed - like chemical injections into a human body. I'll wait until they have it dialed.

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and...hv2waW7feL8ym0

[westopher]

Originally Posted by welfare

The mRNA vaccine is the first vaccine of it's kind. Developed in an historically short period. And to be distributed on a wider scale than any vaccine in history.
I don't think it's irrational at all to have doubts.

What’s irrational is the manipulation and choosing of statistics to make a point that “covid isn’t that bad.”

[CRS]

Originally Posted by welfare

The mRNA vaccine is the first vaccine of it's kind. Developed in an historically short period. And to be distributed on a wider scale than any vaccine in history.
I don't think it's irrational at all to have doubts.

I don't understand why people are so concerned with a short period of time.

Do people not realize that the world's resources were pooled into this vaccine and all the red tape for applications and trials were addressed in a priority manner?

The reason why other vaccines take a longer time is because they have to apply for grants and then go through a series of waiting to hear back from governing bodies.

This vaccines has gone through the same scrutiny (if not more) than any other vaccine.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Ch28

Well as Skinny mentioned earlier, the doctor is the voice is reason in that interview. He actually makes many good analogies and points and isn’t downplaying covid etc. If you can get through Joes little attempts at downplaying covid it’s actually a very informative interview.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Zedbra

Some things should not be rushed - like chemical injections into a human body. I'll wait until they have it dialed.

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and...hv2waW7feL8ym0

Dr Wodarg also launched a campaign against the swine flu vaccination in 2010

https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/...c-scandal.html
He has called the coronavirus response “an attack on democracy”
Things are lining up as expected here.

[Zedbra]

Originally Posted by westopher

Dr Wodarg also launched a campaign against the swine flu vaccination in 2010

https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/...c-scandal.html

and many European countries made the swine flu injections illegal, due to improper testing.

[westopher]

Surprise.

Wodarg gained notoriety during public discussion of the COVID-19 pandemic when he argued that SARS-CoV-2 was only one of many similar viruses which usually go undetected as part of an ordinary seasonal period of respiratory infections, and that the worldwide activities to stop the pandemic were "hype" caused by the selective perception of researchers.[4]

His comments on the COVID-19 pandemic drew criticism from German scientists and some German media outlets. According to the critics, Wodarg's claims largely contradicted the verifiable facts; some of his statements were neither verifiable nor falsifiable; and because the facts Wodarg presented had nothing to do with each other, his statements had proved to be misleading

[CivicBlues]

Why am I not surprised the Venn Diagram for people who think the US election was rigged and the COVID vaccine is rigged is a circle.

So many Political Analyst-cum-Immunologist-cum-Public Policy experts out there. It must be absolutely exhausting being the smartest person in the room everywhere you go.

[320icar]

That’s why I strive to be the dumbest

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by CRS

I don't understand why people are so concerned with a short period of time.

Do people not realize that the world's resources were pooled into this vaccine and all the red tape for applications and trials were addressed in a priority manner?

The reason why other vaccines take a longer time is because they have to apply for grants and then go through a series of waiting to hear back from governing bodies.

This vaccines has gone through the same scrutiny (if not more) than any other vaccine.

I've mentioned my concern over the vaccine before... The timeline is an issue because we just don't know what the long term ramifications are. What if the vaccine requires boosters every 6 months to be effective? OK that's expensive but doable. But what if it gets less effective each times it's used? And eventually the vaccine is completely useless? Now we're more fucked than ever, and in the hole a few quadrillion $

What if the vaccine causes the virus to mutate (which is the main concern) and we end up with something even worse? Or now we have to take monthly shots or weekly?

Simply fearing it because it's the first mRNA vaccine is mostly due to ignorance, but still somewhat understandable. As laypeople, we don't know what it even means in terms of what it could do to us even in a worst case scenario. There's no info out there one way or another, because it's never been done on humans before. Not to any scale, let alone "literally the entire planet"

I am optimistic based on the info that I've seen, but it's understandable that people aren't. I only base it on what I've read and heard, but there's a high chance that there's facts that nobody can know yet.

[Alpine]

People that are concerned about the long-term ramifications of any illness should also be concerned about the long-term ramifications of any substance being injected or ingested into the body.

[Hondaracer]

Yes? However most of those substances have been around long enough to get a decent sample size as to their long term effects.

As a healthy, younger, person I’m in no rush to get it. Whether it’s safe or not or has long term effects or not I likely won’t be searching it out until it effects me directly ie. I cannot travel abroad without proof of vaccine etc. Other people on the priority list can be the guinea pigs frankly.

I can’t see there being a time anywhere in the future where restaurants or other private business are going to be turning away people for not being vaccinated, it would be suicide for them.

[CivicBlues]

If everyone waited 30 years for long term longitudinal studies for every vaccine we'd still have smallpox, polio, measles, et al. ravaging our communities.

Originally Posted by Alpine

People that are concerned about the long-term ramifications of any illness should also be concerned about the long-term ramifications of any substance being injected or ingested into the body.

Exactly, people are soo concerned about a vaccine that literally has some of the world's greatest minds working on it and approving it but think nothing about gobbling up whatever bizzaro new snack foods they find at Trader Joe's and Costco brought to you courtesy of Monsanto.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

As a healthy, younger, person I’m in no rush to get it. Whether it’s safe or not or has long term effects or not I likely won’t be searching it out until it effects me directly ie. I cannot travel abroad without proof of vaccine etc. Other people on the priority list can be the guinea pigs frankly.

Actually I'll be happy to finally get on a passenger-screened plane and jet off to another tourist hotspot again and find it 30-40% less crowded than usual (Assuming the anti-vaxxers even own a passport, which I highly doubt)

[bcrdukes]

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

If everyone waited 30 years for long term longitudinal studies for every vaccine we'd still have smallpox, polio, measles, et al. ravaging our communities.



Exactly, people are soo concerned about a vaccine that literally has some of the world's greatest minds working on it and approving it but think nothing about gobbling up whatever bizzaro new snack foods they find at Trader Joe's and Costco brought to you courtesy of Monsanto.

Polio vaccine took 30 years to develop before it was used widespread
Measles vaccine about 10 years
Smallpox almost 200 years
Covid-19, 8 months

[underscore]

Yeah but you need to add context. There are a ton of factors that effect development time. 1 team who are spending half their time trying to find funding won't develop something as quickly at throwing a pile of researchers and funds at it. Not to mention the extra 60+ years of technological advancement.

Polio vaccine - 1950
Measles vaccine - 1963
Smallpox vaccine - 1796 (also the first ever vaccine)
Covid-19 vaccine - 2020

I'm curious what similarities (and differences) this vaccine has to others. From my understanding it's basically a modified version of existing vaccines so the long-term effects and safety should be pretty similar. Yes people should be looking at things critically but for crying out loud at least look at it from a somewhat informed angle that factors in the current situation.

[68style]

I agree with civicblues, people who don’t get it can have fun staying on the sidelines, thanks for freeing up a spot for me to get back to normal life.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by underscore

Yeah but you need to add context. There are also a ton of factors that effect development time. 1 team who are spending half their time trying to find funding won't develop something as quickly at throwing a pile of researchers and funds at it. Not to mention the extra 60+ years of technological advancement.

Polio vaccine - 1950
Measles vaccine - 1963
Smallpox vaccine - 1796 (also the first ever vaccine)
Covid-19 vaccine - 2020

I'm curious what similarities (and differences) this vaccine has to others. From my understanding it's basically a modified version of existing vaccines so the long-term effects and safety should be pretty similar.

Of course, context is important

But when talking about "long term ramifications" there's only one thing that will tell the story, and that's time.

[CivicBlues]

I don't think anyone here is old enough to remember the mass vaccination for smallpox and measles vaccine. Maybe MG1? But I'm sure there were people then that were hesitant to take it and didn't. Thing is, enough people did and we achieved herd immunity and in the case of smallpox, elimination. But now with social media, Jenny McCarthy we have a lot of these attitudes spreading amongst the general population who would have otherwise listened to medical professionals. I'm pretty sure (and MG1 correct me if I'm wrong) We sure as hell didn't have the media scrutiny back then and probably just followed whatever your doctor's advice was. Do I put trust in 2020 science over 1950's science? You betcha.

Then again pretty much everyone I'm in close contact with is high risk so forgive me for wanting to go back to my life and as a bonus not be afraid of killing someone I love.