coronavirus discussion

[StylinRed]

Problem is a lot of restaurants don't follow the capacity rules at all. Especially in the burbs, when I'm out in Ridge visiting the rents the restaurants and bars are packed like it was the holidays, police don't seem to care either

[twitchyzero]

dejavu of March 2020, minus tp shortage but with serious cabin fatigue

I’m mean spring break was expected to spike but to record levels with less indoor time and vaccines underway?

few weeks ago when they announced outdoor gatherings of 10 it was hard to imagine we’d be back to square 1 within days

I guess end of June target is no more since AstraZeneca got pulled

[sdubfid]

How are those ventilators coming along?

[westopher]

This isn’t a restaurants issue. This is a behaviour issue. Curb the behaviour.
Also if you think you are getting COVID from the table beside you, you are either going to shit restaurants or you really don’t know how this works after an entire year.

[JDMDreams]

^ you can't curb the behaviour if there's no implications. I've often seen more than tables of 6, groups of people that are obviously not from the same household. Fully packed restaurants just because they have a plexiglass dividing a long table. I don't believe restaurants are as innocent as they say. It's all about risk and rewards. So far to people the rewards are still greater than the risk.

[westopher]

Yeah exactly why they should actually implement the fucking rules that they put in place instead of oh, well no ones following the rules, let’s not ticket them or fine them.

[The Producer]

this isn't about grocery stores vs restaurants. obviously one is essential and one is not. the point is that one industry is getting used and manipulated by the government as a means of communication and control of the masses. I don't think any restaurant owners, or the 10's of 1000s of restaurant workers signed up to be the carrot on the stick. all along we've had a little line let out, then some taken back, then a little more out, and now within sight of the finish line we're being reigned in hard one more time.

we're not doing what we're told by mom and dad, so once again they are taking away our favourite toys. the easiest and most direct way to do that, that has the greatest impact on the segment of the population they want to correct the behaviour of, is to shut down the restaurant industry. Everyone either is in it, directly knows people that are in it, or frequent it. Horgan literally told us there would be consequences for bad behaviour on friday and here we are on monday, getting lectured and ultimately grounded.

my issue is, and always has been, that they are disingenuous about it. Show me the data, show me what specifically you hope to accomplish here. Stop talking with your hands and discussing "finding a balance". True balance and fairness would be to take the legs out from under a different industry this time to get the message across, instead of continually wiping out hospitality. Trouble is I can't think of any others that would work almost universally.

My final plea. I feel like I've done this every few months. Pleas stop only thinking about "the numbers" and start having some fucking compassion for people who's lives get thrown upside down every time this happens. Anybody anywhere that's glad they've closed the restaurants and the mountains and any other employer, are the selfish ones in the province. Your fellow citizens are getting screwed, and it's not right.

[Hondaracer]

Imo the line of thinking in the restaurant closes isn’t “oh this person went to x restaurant and then these people also got infected by this individual at X restaurant”

It’s probably more along the lines of “This infected person was infected and went to X restaurant. The fact that this infected person along with many other infected people are going to restaurants is a cause for concern, shut them down”

Cancelled my Whistler trip because I ain’t spending $1000 to go eat dinner in my room.. ffs.. gonna support local I guess with some take out

[pastarocket]

My thing with Horgan and Dr. Bonnie is that their hardline decision to do a three week "circuit breaker" closure of restaurants for dining-in and Whistler-Blackcomb is not balanced with additional government financial support.

Where is the additional BC government funding to help out restaurant owners and staff?
Show us the money!

Horgan puts out the blame card to blame the age demographic of 20-39 year old people for causing the increase in Covid cases?!!! That demographic is a huge chunk of RS.

That is bullshit if you ask me. Where is the transparency and proof? Dr. Bonnie needs to show the data that proves young people in the age 20 to 39 demographic are increasing the case count of Covid.

If Horgan does not think that young people have made any sacrifices during this pandemic in terms of mental and physical health suffering and lost employment, that idiot has his head in the sand like an ostrich.

What a joke of a statement. Horgan needs to apologize to young people for those baseless statements!

[JDMDreams]

^ it's because they were being pussies and didn't put their foot down in the beginning. They are still scared ppls feelings are still gonna get hurt. Masks aren't useful, no need for masks, vaccine second doses are given at a pace that the gov wants to not by the recommendations by the maker, exemptions for all the Karen's. Don't have to worry about other strains. I called this month's ago, they are dragging this on themselves. If they put their foot down like we've seen in other countries we wouldn't be in this position now. Now they are backed into a wall. Their precious vaccines is no where. No options but to close. Loosen, then close again. If they decide to repeat this and not get cases down to zero. There's no ifs and buts.

[Hondaracer]

Apperently his office just released stats and the increase constitutes an age bracket of 20-40 being responsible for the increase. So didn’t really jive with his scathing of 30 year olds

[JDMDreams]

The numbers also say Surrey is the cause lol what are they gonna do with that

[quasi]

Originally Posted by punkwax

People don’t meet their friends at grocery stores. They do at restaurants and I’ve seen many people who clearly don’t live together having meals together when I’ve gone out.

Ya it sucks, but blame the selfish people out there meeting their friends for food and drinks. You know after a few they’re all hugging anyway.

Yeah this is kind of frustrating although part of me says I don't blame them to some extent. The longer this goes on the harder it gets especially for mental health.

I can count the times I've seen my coworkers in the last year on one hand. I can count the times I've seen my friends in the last year on one finger. I feel bad for my son who hasn't been able to hang out with his friends in over a year, he sees some of them at school but that's about it. He's in his room all the time when not at school, myself and his mom try and get him outside but I can tell he's not doing great. We put him private boxing lessons last year to try and get him out more which he loves but that's only 1 or 2 days a week. We're going to start him on some private football training, and we've been told that Spring Flag football got the go ahead I have no idea what that will look like.

I realize we're all in the same boat, I guess my frustration is I try and do the right things but I don't know even know if the "right things" are really effective however I do know mentally they're so draining.

I feel bad for the restaurant employees and owners, I feel bad for the casino workers who haven't worked in a year and probably have had their EI run out not sure how that thing has shaken out generally I feel bad for anyone who's been negatively impacted by this pandemic. I really hope that there comes a day in the not to distant future that things look a lot more normal but the cynical side of me says that day isn't coming this year, especially how slow Canada has been with vaccinations.

Is closing shit down temporary the answer? I really don't know, my family will keep doing our part whatever the fuck that means at the cost of our mental health and hope tomorrow is a better day.

[The Producer]

Originally Posted by quasi

I realize we're all in the same boat

No we aren't. That's a huge part of the problem.

Not seeing your friends for a year is a drag, but it doesn't even register on the stress meter compared to being laid off, broke, potentially homeless - even for a day.

Ya the gov will do something, but it will be the WFH's and boomers whining about who's going to pay for it.

Lot of people are getting thrown out of the boat to keep it afloat, and it's not fair to them.

https://financialpost.com/personal-f...ago-poll-finds

[quasi]

Originally Posted by The Producer

No we aren't. That's a huge part of the problem.

Not seeing your friends for a year is a drag, but it doesn't even register on the stress meter compared to being laid off, broke, potentially homeless - even for a day.

Ya the gov will do something, but it will be the WFH's and boomers whining about who's going to pay for it.

Lot of people are getting thrown out of the boat to keep it afloat, and it's not fair to them.

https://financialpost.com/personal-f...ago-poll-finds

Actually that's a fair point, by same boat I meant going through the pandemic but you're 100% correct that some people are worse off than others without question, I tried to address that in my second to last paragraph but it was kind of understated.

Personally, I know the company I work for his hurting I don't know if my job will still be around by the end of the year but I try not to worry about it right now I'll deal with that if happens.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Ch28

I think it was an absolute boomer mentality with what Hulk Horgan said today. He specifically called out the 20-39 demographic when they’ve continually skirted around the whole race issue from the large Fraser Health increases earlier in the year.

• 20-39 age group are the ones working these “essential” front line jobs at restaurants, grocery stores, retail sales, and malls.
• working lower paying jobs with no ability to WFH to “do more”.
• potential risk to exposure is infinitely higher than most of us that can WFH.
• get little pay, barely any benefits, and not much help from their employers to mitigate the risk involved.
• same industries that have been deemed “essential” because our government continues to pussyfoot around having a proper lockdown and is doing it for the economy under the disguise of it being low risk
• this age group is also one of the last ones to get a vaccine

I can’t believe this fucking government has the gall to make almost every single industry in BC an essential service and then turn around and blame the age group that works in those industries (that have constant contact with hundreds of people) for the spread.

If they were really doing it for the good of public health then we would’ve already been locked down for a few weeks to control all the spread. Better yet, the government would actually be doing asymptotic testing to try and control all the asymptotic carriers. Instead, they get on their soap box and continue to beat down on the hospitality industry that’s | | close to being completely ruined.

Fuck off

[edit] continuing my rant below

The other thing this age group faces is the likelihood of having school aged children that could’ve been bringing home COVID with them the entire time. The same time where the entire B.C. government and health authority fought hard to not implement a mask mandate as if school aged children were immune to catching and spreading it. I love kids but school aged children are some of the fucking dirtiest human beings alive and this government thinks they have the wherewithal to know not to try and spread their germs? Are you fucking stupid?

Another thing about this ageism is that the 20-39 age group is likely working multiple jobs to make ends meet which increases the potential of catching covid. They’re also at that age group where they’re fucked out of housing so they need to rent and have roommates which also increases the chance of catching it.

His age group comment is just so fucking triggering and tone deaf.

Yeah those comments really bothered me. Like fuck off, the "20-39" cohorts are currently the ones making the largest economic sacrifices of the their future so the older demographics like him, who are most susceptible to complications of this virus can live a little bit longer.

[Hondaracer]

Regarding the restaurants, most of us are impacted by the lower mainland ban. Which is fair enough as the lower mainland restys probably have the highest overhead, highest rents etc.

However, think of places like the interior, kootneys, etc that have virtually no cases and are still forced to shut.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by The Producer

No we aren't. That's a huge part of the problem.

Not seeing your friends for a year is a drag, but it doesn't even register on the stress meter compared to being laid off, broke, potentially homeless - even for a day.

Ya the gov will do something, but it will be the WFH's and boomers whining about who's going to pay for it.

Lot of people are getting thrown out of the boat to keep it afloat, and it's not fair to them.

https://financialpost.com/personal-f...ago-poll-finds

Don't worry about it. The BC Government has already said we're all in this together!!!



...until shit hits the fan and it's time for them to throw people under the bus.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Teriyaki

Unfortunately, closing in-restaurant is the likely path of best optics and highest impact to livelihoods but not case counts and I'm sure they've done the math to come to that conclusion. It's not going to be feel fair because it isn't, but the clueless politicians who haven't missed a single paycheck through the entire pandemic have ruined it for the rest of us.

Fixed that for you.

FYSA a friend of mine works directly for Bonnie. When the weekend case count came in Monday morning she arbitrarily came up with the three week closure for restaurants and group fitness classes. They are literally making it up as they go. My friend group got text messages yesterday morning just before it was leaked to the press. Meanwhile the provincial government is either too fucking lazy, or too virtuous because it may come across as "racist", to implement regional policy in the province to address the actual problem areas.

I think BC restaurants should dump their millions of dollars of forced food waste on the front lawns of these people.

[JDMDreams]

Nah don't have to worry about homelessness, you will get your first class downtown unit plus use of a brand new $600k toilet. Also get escorted to get the vaccine first in line in their new VPD BMW.

It's better to be homeless than be in the 20-39 minimum wage, essential service group.

[mikemhg]

While it's fairly obvious it's the Fraser Valley that's creating this problem, how would a regional policy functionally work?

Say you close restaurants and functions in the Fraser Valley, what stops those individuals from simply having gatherings at places in the GVRD?

That's a tough one. Either way, this whole thing is stupid.

I was out for beers at East Van Brewing after hitting up Down Low Chicken last night, felt bad after talking to a waitress there. She finds out right before her shift yesterday that she's now off for the next few weeks.

How the fuck do people scramble if they're living cheque to cheque, to pay bills, rent, etc, when something like this is dropped on them out of nowhere? Crazy stuff.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

While it's fairly obvious it's the Fraser Valley that's creating this problem, how would a regional policy functionally work?

Say you close restaurants and functions in the Fraser Valley, what stops those individuals from simply having gatherings at places in the GVRD?

That's a tough one. Either way, this whole thing is stupid.

Difficult to do for sure, you'd have to lock down regions within a reasonable traveling distance of the epicenter to curb that problem. ID check for local addresses at establishments with alcohol? The residents of communities with no major issues shouldn't be put under economic hardship because of a problem hundreds or thousands of km away. Stupid indeed.

[JDMDreams]

They tried this in Ontario and it failed. Ppl just drove to the suburbs. And serving alcohol in public is not essential service. Only way is to do it China Australia style. Block off roads, no ins or outs.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

They tried this in Ontario and it failed. Ppl just drove to the suburbs. And serving alcohol in public is not essential service. Only way is to do it China Australia style. Block off roads, no ins or outs.

If they started setting up fucking road blocks that’s when I start having house parties. Fuck that noise.

[JDMDreams]

^ desperate times calls for desperate measures.