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Theres only 5-6 doses per vial, so there’s no reason more than 5 could really get wasted per place, and the AstraZeneca is much more shelf stable than the others. There’s really no reason any should get wasted unless someone is super negligent or they all expire because people are too afraid of it.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
You’ve gotta think with all these walk up places having vaccines that a bunch are getting wasted.
I have noticed however that there are numerous large vaccination clinics popping up including the old Fortius building (RIP ) as well as a big make shift one being setup at BCIT so I’m assuming they are anticipating a big ramp up
What happens if you double book the pre-registration page? Do I get pushed to the back of the line?
I pre-registered on the first day (April 7) when the website went live. But my partner thought she was doing me a favour and pre-registered for me again yesterday... Now I have two text message with two different codes
This happened to me as well. I called them and they said it shouldn't be a problem and that the second registration would be tagged as a duplicate. I guess I'll see what happens when it's my time to book.
My brother in law tipped me off to a small Pharmasave near us that had vaccines.
No appointment took me 20 minutes, that includes driving there and back and filling out the paper work, nobody in line.
I assume ur over 40 and was able to get the vaccine no problem. I tried calling a bunch of places to see if i could receive the vaccine but im not quite 40 yet though so i was denied.
I assume ur over 40 and was able to get the vaccine no problem. I tried calling a bunch of places to see if i could receive the vaccine but im not quite 40 yet though so i was denied.
Unfortunately I'm closer to 50 than 40. Seems fine so far, arm a little sore but other than that no issues so far.
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Theres only 5-6 doses per vial, so there’s no reason more than 5 could really get wasted per place, and the AstraZeneca is much more shelf stable than the others. There’s really no reason any should get wasted unless someone is super negligent or they all expire because people are too afraid of it.
Just to add on to this. Old batch of AstraZeneca expired beginning of April. New batch of AZ has a few months until expiry (I think May). Pharmacy's keep it in the fridge until the dose is needed. After the dose is drawn, it's straight back into the fridge. Anyone over 40 (since that's the current age limit) should be able to easily get AZ if they want it. If they want to try and get Pfizer or Moderna instead, then they will need to go to through the portals to go to places like Fortis and Central park.
So I can sign up today (32) and my wife can sign up yesterday (41) but she is adamant she does not get AZ. To be honest I don’t want it either, nor do I want it injected into my peehole as her westopher.
Does that mean we pretty much go to the back of the line?
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Doesn’t make a difference to you, just her as you aren’t eligible for AstraZeneca anyways. Just have to wait for the age cohorts to go through. It’s on 65 and older now, so expect to wait two months minimum, instead of getting it today.
I’m a stats motivated kind of guy, so I just wouldn’t take my chances with covid any longer than I have to.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Originally Posted by punkwax
Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
So I can sign up today (32) and my wife can sign up yesterday (41) but she is adamant she does not get AZ. To be honest I don’t want it either, nor do I want it injected into my peehole as her westopher.
Does that mean we pretty much go to the back of the line?
What are yours and your wife's reasons for avoiding AZ?
I don't know if everyone knows this but you can register at a pharmacy on top of registering with the government. Today I registered with 4 pharmacies. On the wait list for all of them.
So I can sign up today (32) and my wife can sign up yesterday (41) but she is adamant she does not get AZ. To be honest I don’t want it either, nor do I want it injected into my peehole as her westopher.
Does that mean we pretty much go to the back of the line?
I don't think you're at the back of the line it just means you have to wait until your turn based on your age. You can't get the AZ shot anyways since you're not over 40. Your wife could get the AZ shot if she called around, or she can wait her turn and most likely get Moderna or Pfizer.
I don't know if everyone knows this but you can register at a pharmacy on top of registering with the government. Today I registered with 4 pharmacies. On the wait list for all of them.
me too. i keep hearing that there are walk ins at certain places, but i can't spend the day looking for one. i'd lock up the shop right now if I heard a local rumour of walk up stock though
i've spammed every wait list i can find. hoping that I'll hear back, but I doubt they need to go to a wait list at all. sounds like the 40-55 year olds aren't as picky as the retired boomers who can sit around on FB all day reposting trudeau memes
What are yours and your wife's reasons for avoiding AZ?
I wouldn’t use the word avoid. I cannot speak for my wife. For myself I’d just prefer the best product available (efficacy rates, etc etc). Just like anyone else in this world if given the option I’d wait another week and get the higher quality product.
I work in a literal shithole so the faster I could get *any* vaccine the better
Just got my AZ vaccine today. I contemplated waiting for Pfizer or Moderna, but at the going rate, they probably wouldn't get to me until late May or early June.
Was in and out in 5 minutes. Pharmacist told me I could wait in the car for 15 minutes. Other than a sore shoulder after the jab, I'm feeling no ill effects.
All I want is some official correlation of a death being caused by any vaccine. Not someone who died after a vaccine, but a known case of "this person died because of the vaccine and they would have lived if they had not taken it".
I'm not saying it's impossible or I won't believe you if you show me... I just want to see it. Because AFAIK (and I don't know everything) it hasn't happened yet.
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There's plenty to be mad about with the HK govt, to say the least. But when it comes to covid, they are handling it strictly and transparently, and have been effective at keeping the damage very low. 0 local cases today btw.
You are quite correct that officially, no death has been directly tied to any of the known COVID vaccines at this point. The only way you're gonna get something like that is if the person has an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine, but all vaccination sites would already have countermeasures ready to treat that.
There have been 19 deaths in Hong Kong where the deceased person has recently been vaccinated for COVID. 17 of those had been vaccinated with China's Sinovac vaccine. As you said, all of them of at least some sort of chronic illness, usually multiple issues. IIRC, most of them are elderly people in the 60+ range. Again, I am going to point out that Sinovac's official recommendation is to only use the vaccine on those who are 18 - 59.
Obviously you refuse to acknowledge that the Sinovac vaccine can lead to death. You also think Hong Kong's handling of COVID has been strict and transparent, and I will strongly disagree on both accounts. Sinovac vaccines should not have been used on the elderly at all, and there have been 17 deaths to show that the vaccine is not safe for those elderly people with chronic illnesses. It cannot be proven that the vaccine is directly responsible for these 17 people's death, but what we do know is, the vaccine will trigger an immune response in every patient who was vaccinated. Is it too far fetched to logically speculate that the vaccine-induced immune response is too much for the bodies of people with chronic illnesses to handle?
To me, what you are saying sounds a lot like a person has been stabbed in his aorta by a robber, and the doctor insists that the person died of blood loss instead of dying from the stabbing. Technically the doctor is right.
Lastly, I will say again that Hong Kong's low COVID numbers are there in spite of the gov's inaptitude, not because of its handling of the virus. The credit belongs to discipine of the general public.
I wouldnÂ’t use the word avoid. I cannot speak for my wife. For myself IÂ’d just prefer the best product available (efficacy rates, etc etc). Just like anyone else in this world if given the option IÂ’d wait another week and get the higher quality product.
I work in a literal shithole so the faster I could get *any* vaccine the better
Thanks for sharing. I came across this video about comparing efficacy rates. If the information presented is correct, then comparing vaccines by efficacy rates doesn’t work because it isn’t comparing apples to apples.
You are quite correct that officially, no death has been directly tied to any of the known COVID vaccines at this point. The only way you're gonna get something like that is if the person has an anaphylactic reaction to the vaccine, but all vaccination sites would already have countermeasures ready to treat that.
There have been 19 deaths in Hong Kong where the deceased person has recently been vaccinated for COVID. 17 of those had been vaccinated with China's Sinovac vaccine. As you said, all of them of at least some sort of chronic illness, usually multiple issues. IIRC, most of them are elderly people in the 60+ range. Again, I am going to point out that Sinovac's official recommendation is to only use the vaccine on those who are 18 - 59.
Obviously you refuse to acknowledge that the Sinovac vaccine can lead to death. You also think Hong Kong's handling of COVID has been strict and transparent, and I will strongly disagree on both accounts. Sinovac vaccines should not have been used on the elderly at all, and there have been 17 deaths to show that the vaccine is not safe for those elderly people with chronic illnesses. It cannot be proven that the vaccine is directly responsible for these 17 people's death, but what we do know is, the vaccine will trigger an immune response in every patient who was vaccinated. Is it too far fetched to logically speculate that the vaccine-induced immune response is too much for the bodies of people with chronic illnesses to handle?
To me, what you are saying sounds a lot like a person has been stabbed in his aorta by a robber, and the doctor insists that the person died of blood loss instead of dying from the stabbing. Technically the doctor is right.
Lastly, I will say again that Hong Kong's low COVID numbers are there in spite of the gov's inaptitude, not because of its handling of the virus. The credit belongs to discipine of the general public.
I agree with some of what you're saying, but disagree with others.
It's true that Sinovac isn't recommended for 60+. It's weird that HK is promoting it for those people.
It also seems quite apparent that they are trying to "promote" that vaccine for some reason. Before abandoning it completely, they're already testing if it can be combined with other vaccines. Some have speculated that this is some way of them looking for "any way possible to justify its use" but I think this is in preparation to switch people over once they leave it behind. If you got your first shot of Sinovac, and we no longer offer it, you can get your second shot of BNT.
The way the numbers pan out - 17 deaths after Sinovac, 2 deaths after BNT definitely will lead you to the theory that one is more dangerous than the other. But keep in mind that these numbers are extremely low. A few thousand people got vaccines, a few dozen died, and more often they got one vaccine over the other. This means nothing in the grand scheme of things. They can look into it and find out if there's causation between it. If you don't trust HK to do it, other countries will. Other countries have vaccinated a fuck of a lot more people with Sinovac than HK ever will.
380,000 people in HK have gotten the Sinovac vaccine at least one dose. In Chile, 13,352,602 have received one. Indonesia 17,275,001 have gotten one.
How many deaths after vaccine in Chile? Indonesia? That should set you on a path to study, if you think there's something to this story.
It's not about "refusing to acknowledge" something. There's just nothing to acknowledge yet. Just a few people died after getting a vaccine. Well a few people died of a heart attack after taking the MTR. And a few more died of a heart attack after taking the bus. Does this mean the bus is more dangerous?
Finally, I 100% agree that early on, it was the people of Hong Kong that prevented Covid from being as big of a disaster as it could have been. The medical workers in particular started a union from scratch, and went on strike until the border to China was closed.
However since then, all the policies have been set by the government, and have been effective (some policies more than others). Closing the borders to certain countries, like right now 3 countries are completely banned from entering the country. They shut down airlines that bring people with covid into the country. We have a 3 week quarantine for most countries, which is longer than anywhere else in the world. Not many are as strict as HK when it comes to immigration.
The mandatory quarantine itself has been proven to find cases that otherwise would have been out in the public. After that gym breakout, they forced hundreds of people to quarantine, and found a bunch of positives there. Those people would have been spreading it through the community, and there would probably be another wave. Instead we're at like 0-2 local cases a day, mostly from known sources.
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) as well as a big make shift one being setup at BCIT so I’m assuming they are anticipating a big ramp up
Seems fine so far, arm a little sore but other than that no issues so far.
