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I’ve decided to do a complete 180° and change my view. I’ve been a frontline worker this entire time and I’m fucking sick of it. Stick anything in my arm and let’s get this over with.
Sooo many of the stay at home 40y/o’s I know are refusing to get the AZ. I can’t help but take it personal as someone who has been seeing 6k people a day 5x a week and don’t have the luxury to stay at home.
Once wife and I get that first shot this isolation going out the window. My parents are vaccinated, most of my friends (ironically who are “less essential” than I) are vaccinated
Not gonna give af anymore frankly. Obviously going to still follow guidelines with strangers snd that jazz but I’m gonna be givin er.
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I agree. My son was born last may. Almost all my family and most my friends haven’t even seen him. His 1st birthday is this Saturday, and guess what, SAME SHIT. He’s going to be the only child I have and no one even got a chance to see him as a baby. Fucked up.
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I’ve decided to do a complete 180° and change my view. I’ve been a frontline worker this entire time and I’m fucking sick of it. Stick anything in my arm and let’s get this over with.
Sooo many of the stay at home 40y/o’s I know are refusing to get the AZ. I can’t help but take it personal as someone who has been seeing 6k people a day 5x a week and don’t have the luxury to stay at home.
Fuck you. Take the risk and do your fucking part
Welcome to my rage garage. Take a seat and I’ll pour you a fuckin beer.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I’ve decided to do a complete 180° and change my view. I’ve been a frontline worker this entire time and I’m fucking sick of it. Stick anything in my arm and let’s get this over with.
Sooo many of the stay at home 40y/o’s I know are refusing to get the AZ. I can’t help but take it personal as someone who has been seeing 6k people a day 5x a week and don’t have the luxury to stay at home.
Fuck you. Take the risk and do your fucking part
Why do you take it personally if they are truly stay at home 40 yr olds? If they are abiding by restrictions/social distancing they realistically face extremely minimal risk of contracting the virus and are not the problem.
It's people who are eligible for AZ but don't abide by restrictions you should be angry at.
Personally, regarding AZ - I don't blame anyone for waiting until a Pfizer/Moderna shot. There are countries like Denmark and Australia who have halted AZ shots altogether for a reason. My dad's taken it since he still works but since my mom is a stay at home mother who doesn't leave the house she's hesitant. For myself, I'm young and I WFH - I abide by all restrictions and I don't live with them. When the time comes I'll probably go with whatever shot's available but I don't blame anyone for preferring Pfizer/Modern.
Yes, I know people are quick to point out that birth control have higher chances of blood clots but these people fail to mention AZ is linked to a much more lethal form of blood clots (they develop in the brain).
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Once wife and I get that first shot this isolation going out the window. My parents are vaccinated, most of my friends (ironically who are “less essential” than I) are vaccinated
Not gonna give af anymore frankly. Obviously going to still follow guidelines with strangers snd that jazz but I’m gonna be givin er.
I think some people are waiting to see how the supply of Pfizer/Moderna is going to change in the next two months since America's supplies are going to be available.
Let's be real here - if Canada's covid numbers were similar to Australia they would have halted AZ shots a long time ago.
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Yes, I know people are quick to point out that birth control have higher chances of blood clots but these people fail to mention AZ is linked to a much more lethal form of blood clots (they develop in the brain).
1 death/200k from the pill
3 deaths/200k from the patch
25 deaths/200k related directly to pregnancy
Astra Zeneca vaccine deaths
32 deaths/8million
.8 deaths/200k
So no ones really failing to mention anything.
To note on your earlier point though, I don't think anyone, 320icar or me is directing the issue with people like you who are literally isolating. The issue we have is the people we see, and interact with on a daily basis in our jobs spouting shit about how they won't get the shot when we clearly see their behaviour right in front of us.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
1 death/200k from the pill
3 deaths/200k from the patch
25 deaths/200k related directly to pregnancy
Astra Zeneca vaccine deaths
32 deaths/8million
.8 deaths/200k
So no ones really failing to mention anything.
To note on your earlier point though, I don't think anyone, 320icar or me is directing the issue with people like you who are literally isolating. The issue we have is the people we see, and interact with on a daily basis in our jobs spouting shit about how they won't get the shot when we clearly see their behaviour right in front of us.
Well, he wrote "Sooo many of the stay at home 40y/o’s I know are refusing to get the AZ" so I was mostly replying under that context.
i went to highschool with this guy (just, 5 years older than me)
if you're eligible, go get a shot. this could be any one of us. it's not some random 4 in a million statistic - it's a guy who grew up down the street from me. he literally missed the option to be vaccinated by 2-3? weeks. he might still be alive
if you end up in a hospital (or worse) a month from now, you'll sure wish that you hadn't waited for the "better vaccine" because of some stuff you read on the internet
this isn't an attack - i just think for some people, even after a year of this, it just isn't real enough.
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So many =/= all, and to be quite honest, I'm seeing lots of people I know that "stay home" for work, posting stories or photos at restaurants, or doing whatever with people they don't live with. To be honest, I get it, and I don't really give a fuck about that as long as you aren't being an idiot, but once you do those things, then literally get handed a key to walk through the door that ends this, and say, nah I want a better key, that's a genuine slap in the face to everyone around you thats waiting.
There is a clear and present danger with Covid and people are using a "what if I get hit by lightning" argument to drag it out.
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Westopher is correct.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I don't think anyone would argue that Pfizer/Moderna aren't superior to AZ. The risks associated with AZ are unquestionably higher, given what we know. If given an immediate choice, I think everyone would take Pfizer or Moderna.
However, Moderna continues to have supply chain issues, so there's definitely no guarantee that younger people will have access to it for many months. I'm betting that it will be J&J that most younger people will be getting, which has an efficacy rate on par with AZ. The risk of getting a variant of COVID is pretty high right now, particularly in Fraser Health, unless you don't go out at all.
We have kids in the school system and the Tri-Cities is a hot spot with exposure notices pretty much on the daily, so that's how I rationalized the decision to take AZ. My parents have been vaxxed, so have my in-laws. We wish to actually spend time with them this summer, rather than to rely on a government vaccine schedule which is highly likely to be delayed given supply chain issues, so that was another motivating factor for us.
The way I look at it is, some people may choose to refuse to get the AZ vaccine for whatever reason. But you know what? Even though they are not getting that AZ vaccine, those very same AZ vaccines aren't just sitting idle at the vaccination centers or pharmacies. There are still huge line ups of people waiting up to 4 - 5 hours to get themselves vaccinated. In that sense, we are still getting people vaccinated as quickly as the system allows. There is no wastage. It's just different people getting protected first, at least at this point. And given the vaccine supplies, it is probably going to stay that way for at least another 2 months with people getting their 1st dose. And then if we've exhausted everyone who is willing to get their first AZ vaccine, we can start processing people for their 2nd jabs.
So to me, as long as we are still vaccinating people as quickly as we can, nothing is being wasted, the vaccines are protecting more and more people, and I'm happy to see that.
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I’ve decided to do a complete 180° and change my view. I’ve been a frontline worker this entire time and I’m fucking sick of it. Stick anything in my arm and let’s get this over with.
Sooo many of the stay at home 40y/o’s I know are refusing to get the AZ. I can’t help but take it personal as someone who has been seeing 6k people a day 5x a week and don’t have the luxury to stay at home.
Why do you take it personally if they are truly stay at home 40 yr olds? If they are abiding by restrictions/social distancing they realistically face extremely minimal risk of contracting the virus and are not the problem.
It's people who are eligible for AZ but don't abide by restrictions you should be angry at.
I think its the situation as a whole. Hospitals are severely short staffed. Doctors, Nurses, clerks, ect. are overworked and burnt out to the point where they are leaving the covid wards for other departments in the hospitals which makes even more hectic for the remaining workers. All because people cant even follow simple guidelines. And the government cant do their jobs properly and in the end it all falls on the shoulders of the people that work in the hospitals. They get the shit end of the stick any way you slice it and now people are avoiding certain vaccines all together is just the cherry on top of the cake for them.
I told my wife "what would happen if you guys just decided to strike, you guys said fuck it, if people dont wanna take the necessary steps to save their own lives, why should you care about theirs." She obviously didnt say anything cause shes too nice. But if it was me i would of fucked off a long time ago. Obviously they wouldnt do that cause they arent dickheads like me but when is enough enough?
Anyways i got the AZ vaccine today at Coquitlam Porier Center. Waited almost 4 hours for it. Feels like my tiny wife punched me in the shoulder as hard as she could.
The way I look at it is, some people may choose to refuse to get the AZ vaccine for whatever reason. But you know what? Even though they are not getting that AZ vaccine, those very same AZ vaccines aren't just sitting idle at the vaccination centers or pharmacies. There are still huge line ups of people waiting up to 4 - 5 hours to get themselves vaccinated. In that sense, we are still getting people vaccinated as quickly as the system allows. There is no wastage. It's just different people getting protected first, at least at this point. And given the vaccine supplies, it is probably going to stay that way for at least another 2 months with people getting their 1st dose. And then if we've exhausted everyone who is willing to get their first AZ vaccine, we can start processing people for their 2nd jabs.
So to me, as long as we are still vaccinating people as quickly as we can, nothing is being wasted, the vaccines are protecting more and more people, and I'm happy to see that.
This ... calm rational logic. You cannot vaccinate faster than the supply - doesn't matter ... Covidiots or good abiding citizens. Vaccines are ending up in arms. And anecdotes even here are people waiting 4 hrs plus in line for it and pharmacies running out. Only real solution is, if Canada had more vaccine supply, is to open 24/7.
I think its the situation as a whole. Hospitals are severely short staffed. Doctors, Nurses, clerks, ect. are overworked and burnt out to the point where they are leaving the covid wards for other departments in the hospitals which makes even more hectic for the remaining workers. All because people cant even follow simple guidelines. And the government cant do their jobs properly and in the end it all falls on the shoulders of the people that work in the hospitals. They get the shit end of the stick any way you slice it and now people are avoiding certain vaccines all together is just the cherry on top of the cake for them.
I told my wife "what would happen if you guys just decided to strike, you guys said fuck it, if people dont wanna take the necessary steps to save their own lives, why should you care about theirs." She obviously didnt say anything cause shes too nice. But if it was me i would of fucked off a long time ago. Obviously they wouldnt do that cause they arent dickheads like me but when is enough enough?
Anyways i got the AZ vaccine today at Coquitlam Porier Center. Waited almost 4 hours for it. Feels like my tiny wife punched me in the shoulder as hard as she could.
Not trying to sound crass but a good chunk of hospital admissions are probably due to people not taking care of their own health and as a result others having to care for them.
It’s one thing in a place like India etc. Where id completely understand walking out and never coming back. However here, in the western world in a relatively comfortable part of it, it’s a bit much to think nurses would take that stance. Don’t they have their own kind of code of conduct or decree when you become a nurse that helping others is your main priority above all else or somthing?
It’s obviously very hard for them, but it’s their job. As are many other essential people. If anything this pandemic has shown that nurses and doctors are worth their weight in gold and deserve anything coming to them in terms of pay raises etc
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They have a finite amount of resources. Yes they sign up to help people.
They don’t sign up for a medical system that involves working 70hr weeks, being short staffed, and short on beds.
They don’t sign up for a system that’s strained to the point of postponing people’s cancer treatments, or dealing with dying people not being able to see their loved ones one last time.
Things aren’t normal for them right now, and it’s never been like this, even though obviously Canada hasn’t seen near what some places in the world have.
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Westopher is correct.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
When Emily Viegas started exhibiting some of the same COVID-19 symptoms that had put her mother in hospital – difficulty breathing, an inability to stand – her father, Carlos, faced an agonizing situation.
He was the only one in his family of four who had tested negative for COVID-19 and was at home in Brampton, Ont., with his two children while his wife was at Brampton Civic Hospital on oxygen. Mr. Viegas was under strict self-isolation orders from public health and wasn’t sure if he should call an ambulance. He also knew Brampton Civic was one of the most strained hospitals in the country and he feared his daughter might be taken to a hospital further away in another Toronto suburb, Oakville. He didn’t like the idea of her being separated from both her parents.
He routinely checked her temperature, gave her Tylenol to bring her fever down, and urged her to drink lots of water and eat some of her favourite foods – hot dogs and multi-grain pasta – even though she didn’t have much of an appetite. She was 13, Mr. Viegas reasoned, and she would probably be back to normal quickly.
The next day, April 22, she became one of the youngest Canadians to die from COVID-19 – and part of a growing trend of younger victims in the pandemic’s third wave.
André Picard: The death of a child speaks volumes about Canada’s tepid COVID-19 response
Why we need to get it right: Inside the country’s hardest-hit ICUs
Severe outcomes from COVID-19 infections remain exceedingly rare in children. Though 208,195 people under 19 have been infected with COVID-19 as of April 23, the majority have had mild cases. In total, 142 have been admitted to ICU and eight have died, according to national statistics.
Though Mr. Viegas was the only one in the family to leave the apartment over the past many months – he was the sole breadwinner and worked at a warehouse – he was somehow the only one spared from COVID-19. His wife was the first one to fall ill, though she stayed at home for a week before getting tested and learning she had the coronavirus. During that period, Mr. Viegas continued going to work and his children occasionally went into their mother’s room to bring her food and water. On April 14, the day after Mr. Viegas’s wife got her test results, she had so much trouble breathing that she was taken to hospital and put on oxygen.
Back at the apartment, Emily had developed a stubborn cough, but otherwise felt well. Well enough to engage in the moody sparring most 13-year-olds have with their parents. Mr. Viegas would tell her to stop playing Minecraft or texting her friends and do her homework.
“No way,” she’d respond, often with colourful language. “Get lost, old man.”
But after a week, as a fever came on and Emily’s breathing became laboured, their father-daughter exchanges shifted.
Mr. Viegas occasionally noticed Emily struggling to inhale, which would cause her to panic, which would only make it harder to take in air.
“It scared me, but I kept telling her, ‘Slow down. Slow your breathing down so you’re not using all the energy you have to get air,’” he recalled.
On April 22, Emily woke up in the bedroom she shares with her younger brother, went to the bathroom, then returned to bed, lying beneath posters of mermaids and characters from the film Frozen. Just after 9 a.m., Emily’s brother noticed she wasn’t moving and raced to get their father.
Mr. Viegas found his daughter laying eerily still, her eyes partly open, and completely unresponsive.
He called 911 and was instructed to give his daughter CPR. When paramedics arrived, they cleared Mr. Viegas and his son out of the room and tried to resuscitate Emily, too, and briefly got her heart beating again, but she still wasn’t breathing. They tried again. After she was rushed to hospital, a doctor called Mr. Viegas and said they would try once more but if they failed, they’d pronounce her dead. Three hours after Mr. Viegas had put his head on his daughter’s chest, he got another call she was gone. Doctors said she not only had COVID-19, but also pneumonia.
“To tell you the truth, it felt real when I found her in bed. I put my head to her chest and I couldn’t feel nothing. No heartbeat. No nothing. No breathing,” Mr. Viegas said.
Sudden deaths in young people have become more common in this third wave of the pandemic. In the first three weeks of April, Ontario’s coroners have seen 25 cases of people in Southern and Central Ontario who have died at home from the illness, some in their 20s and 30s.
The Viegases live in a two-bedroom apartment in a COVID-19 hot spot in east Brampton, a city with a 22-per-cent test positivity rate, the highest in Ontario. That’s in large part because of the high volume of essential workers in the city, many of whom live in crowded housing where it’s difficult to physically distance. Mr. Viegas, 58, got vaccinated on April 12, but his wife, still recovering in hospital, hasn’t received her jab yet.
While a patchwork of mobile vaccination clinics have opened across Toronto hot spots to offer vaccines to anyone over 18, there is only one such clinic housed at a large Hindu temple for hot-spot residents of Brampton – and, technically, it’s in Toronto.
Mr. Viegas’s wife’s oxygen levels are up to 80 per cent now and he’s hopeful she’ll come home soon. Informing her of their daughter’s death was “as hard as it could be,” he said. As Mr. Viegas is still in isolation, the business of sharing the news with friends and making funeral arrangements have fallen to other members of the family.
“I don’t know details. I don’t even know if we’re going to have the viewing or not,” Mr. Viegas said. “And my mother’s not going because she doesn’t want to see her granddaughter in a box.”
no wonder ontario has crazy high numbers, household is positive, keeps going to work. Daughter can't breath, won't take her to the hospital.
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Can 30+ now get the vaccine? How can I do so without waiting in a lineup for hours? I thought we could schedule our vaccination?
If you registered you can just wait until they contact you which might take awhile but you can schedule what day and time to show up to avoid lineups. If you want a shot right now you'll be waiting in lines unless you luck out.
Can 30+ now get the vaccine? How can I do so without waiting in a lineup for hours? I thought we could schedule our vaccination?
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30+ can get in line.
If you don’t want to, register on the govt site and you’ll just wait until your age bracket starts to get scheduled.
Is the ability to line up for the vaccine if you're 30+ just for hotspot areas or across all of BC?
This is fucking ridiculous I have to be asking these questions in a car forum and not reading an official resource from our health authority.
Edit: I did just go to BC's COVID authority page to check that it wasn't me who was wrong, it's still showing 40+ to line up to get the AZ vaccine, and was last updated April 23rd
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