coronavirus discussion

[N.V.M.]

got my appointment for my second Pfizer shot, mid-July.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Given the efficacy of the first dose of the RNA vaccines, why would I just accept being the govts guinea pig? If I don’t get a second Moderna shot, just wait till I do.

Btw. When I got mine the woman who gave me the first shot said I would he contacted within the month to organize the second one. Not sure if she had inside knowledge or she was just talking though

It’s not like they are just going to start giving the general public a mixed shot without having knowledge of the situation. Trudeau isn’t sitting in a metal bunker like Dr. Evil being like “we will mix the shots and if they die they die!” While maniacally laughing. The guy literally got the AZ shot himself. It doesn’t seem like we will be in that situation as people who got moderna or Pfizer anyways and producer has already volunteered for the vaccine cocktail tester.
We have to recognize though, everyone who’s pissed about Canada’s level of vaccination who compared us to places like the UK who are getting back to normal, that it’s because of the AZ vaccine. Over 1/4 of their vaccinated population was given it and it’s a massive contributor to them lifting nearly all of their restrictions by the end of this month. We didn’t have the supply or any sort of guarantee for the MRNA vaccines based on production issues, so it was time to get shots into arms for some level of protection for a threat that’s exponentially higher.
Regarding the wait, I was told by the nurse we’d be contacted within 4 months still, but she said expect that timeframe to go down probably quite substantially.

[spoon.ek9]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

^ yah when the sh*t hits the fan with Covid (Italy, Brazil, India), the thing I have questions about is what makes a person with Covid worth saving over others with scheduled heart surgeries or scheduled cancer surgery or intestinal surgery, or a MVA? How do you make those ethical decisions?

This is an extremely good reminder. During this last wave, protocols were being created to figure out who gets treatment and who doesn't. No one wants it to get to that point.

There's one patient I spoke to in emerg about a month ago. They're still intubated in ICU. If the wave had continued to soar, that patient very likely would have been taken off treatment to make way for someone else (aka death sentence).

Oh, and to your point, urgent surgeries still happen right now. It's all the optional/less urgent ones that are on hold. If it were to get so bad that we are stretched thin.... I don't know how we would determine that.

[Hondaracer]

People on here will only put manufacturers recommended oil in their rides but will take whatever drug cocktail the govt. wants to stick you with lol..

Web searches bring back almost nothing in regards to other countries mixing vaccines. Even the UK is only on early trial stages of mixing with no considerations to apply it full time

Most of the articles that do speak to mixing them use a lot of the words of “unknowns” “uncertainty” etc. And many I came across said that the mixture of the traditional style of vaccine in the AZ and J&J have never been mixed with the RNA type ever before

[68style]

My buddy in Los Angeles is in a big clinical trial for mixed shots with increased efficacy being the early findings. He's already got both his shots and has had them for quite awhile, both him and his wife.

[MarkyMark]

They are changing the rules everyday so it's hard to say what the government is doing is backed by science or desperation.

First AZ was only for older people, and then when they didn't want it it was suddenly safe for people over 40. Then a few days later it's safe for people over 30. Now that we're getting consistent shipments of Pfizer and Moderna governments are starting to distance themselves from AZ altogether.

None of these shots were made with 'mix and match' in mind, and a study that's done within a few months saying it's ok isn't really isn't going to do it for me. I'll get my first shot on Saturday and then I'll get my second shot whenever the same one is available.

[westopher]

Exactly how drug trials work. They happen, then info is released, then they decide whether or not to use them on the public, then if they decide it’s safe to do so (safe to do so doesn’t mean ZERO possibility of adverse effects) they use them.
Viagra was responsible for 522 deaths in the first 13 months of market and that’s for getting your dick hard, not protecting against a deadly respiratory virus.
Edit: the vaccine mixing is based on the premise that you CANNOT get the vaccine that was first given to you. Again, if you got moderna of Pfizer there is no reason to even entertain the idea at this point someone is trying to give you a different one. It’s based on the possibility we may never get another AZ vaccine in this country.

[Euro7r]

Has anyone or older parents with underlying conditions that has taken the vaccine? My dad has slight high cholesterol (he's like 68) and allergic skin sensitivities, where he takes medication. Obviously vaccines were never tested in individuals with underlying health conditions (everyone body is different), he's kinda on the fence to take it now or wait it out to see the outcome of others.

[immorality]

Originally Posted by Euro7r

Has anyone or older parents with underlying conditions that has taken the vaccine? My dad has slight high cholesterol (he's like 68) and allergic skin sensitivities, where he takes medication. Obviously vaccines were never tested in individuals with underlying health conditions (everyone body is different), he's kinda on the fence to take it now or wait it out to see the outcome of others.

My Father in law has rheumatoid arthritis and is a cancer survivor. He got moderna and had less side effects than his kids. We asked his doctor beforehand, so I would recommend doing that to be sure/peace of mind.

[Hondaracer]

3 days in with Moderna and zero side effects, not even a sore arm.

One thing though, my back has been tight af for a few days. I did go golfing on Saturday before the shot and went pretty hard on it. But generally this type of stiffness/soreness is when I actually slip somthing or aggravate my herniated disc. So just wondering if the shot brought on some general inflammation causing this. Because almost anytime I feel inflammation whether it be from eating garbage etc. It always starts in my back

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

Oh, and to your point, urgent surgeries still happen right now. It's all the optional/less urgent ones that are on hold. If it were to get so bad that we are stretched thin.... I don't know how we would determine that.

Yah but you and I both know that it's not that black and white ... what is deemed a 'non-urgent' surgery or procedure can have dramatic consequences on the quality of life of an individual and/or affect factors that result in end of life.

A month delay to cancer care might raise death risk: study
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/a-mont...22sobering%22.

Delaying cancer treatment by just a month can put patients at a sharply greater risk of dying, according to research published Wednesday, the latest to sound the alarm over the coronavirus pandemic's impact on other health conditions.

Treatment delays happen in normal times, but the spread of COVID-19 has caused unprecedented disruption to health-care services.

In a new study published in the BMJ medical journal, researchers in the U.K. and Canada found that delays in treatment -- whether for surgery, radiotherapy, or other treatments such as chemotherapy -- for seven types of cancers had a significant impact on patient mortality.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Euro7r

Has anyone or older parents with underlying conditions that has taken the vaccine? My dad has slight high cholesterol (he's like 68) and allergic skin sensitivities, where he takes medication. Obviously vaccines were never tested in individuals with underlying health conditions (everyone body is different), he's kinda on the fence to take it now or wait it out to see the outcome of others.

Everyone is different, so take it with a grain of salt, but my dad is 9 years removed from a quadruple bypass where they told him afterwards he had about 5 years left to live, has minor diabetes and has had 2 cornea transplants in the last 2 years... he's on any number of blood thinners, blood pressure meds, and steroids for his eyes and he's 70 years old this year... he got the vaccine about 2 months ago (Pfizer) and he said his arm hurt for a couple days, couldn't lift it up all the way and he was super tired the first night / slept for like 12 hours but he was fine otherwise.

[G]

Originally Posted by N.V.M.

got my appointment for my second Pfizer shot, mid-July.

When did you get your first shot?

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

3 days in with Moderna and zero side effects, not even a sore arm.

One thing though, my back has been tight af for a few days. I did go golfing on Saturday before the shot and went pretty hard on it. But generally this type of stiffness/soreness is when I actually slip somthing or aggravate my herniated disc. So just wondering if the shot brought on some general inflammation causing this. Because almost anytime I feel inflammation whether it be from eating garbage etc. It always starts in my back

That’s wild cause my back was fucked as well the day after the shot and has been for a couple days. I chalked it up to coincidence. Is yours a sciatic nerve issue?

[Hondaracer]

Yes.

Basically have a slight herniation in my lower lumbar on the left side but i only really feel it when I either fuck it up badly from twisting/bending or from inflammation caused by whatever. It’s always this SI pain/tension

When I was using CBD consistently I found i almost never experienced the inflammation type of pain/pressure but when I got off it, I’d experience it from time to time so just knowing how it comes and goes in those cases is what me question whether it was the general inflammation caused by the vaccine

[hud 91gt]

I had my Pfizer shot on Saturday. Felt a little feverish pretty shortly after taking the shot (hours), tired enough to actually take a nap and a slightly sore arm.

But the most amazing thing is this bandaid. What is it, Wednesday? It’s still sticking. God damn! Even had a few heavy sweaty workouts and she’s on there. So impressed!

[AzNightmare]

lol, Same here. Got my shot on Saturday, survived all my showers and sweaty days.
wtf...

[pastarocket]

BC government is working harder to make sure they collect their Covid fines.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/05...fines-license/

The B.C. government is trying to make it hard for people to skip out on paying their COVID-19 fines. It has introduced legislation that would mean people who don’t pay up may be unable to obtain or renew a driver's licence or vehicle licence through ICBC.

This is a measure already taking place in other provinces.

If passed, the measures would come into effect on July 1 and include any tickets issued before that date. Retroactive.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

BC government is working harder to make sure they collect their Covid fines.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/05...fines-license/

The B.C. government is trying to make it hard for people to skip out on paying their COVID-19 fines. It has introduced legislation that would mean people who don’t pay up may be unable to obtain or renew a driver's licence or vehicle licence through ICBC.

This is a measure already taking place in other provinces.

If passed, the measures would come into effect on July 1 and include any tickets issued before that date. Retroactive.

Good. Fuck these clowns.

[westopher]

Give everyone with outstanding fines a box 1

[iwantaskyline]

Is everyone 30 plus getting texts to book now? I’m 31 in burnaby and have received no text…

[CRS]

Apparently VCC has no lines and is taking people without appointments.

This is the Vancouver Community College site (the one I don't meet my dates at).

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by westopher

Give everyone with outstanding fines a box 1

Or anyone caught breaking covid protocols gets a box 2 and tell them which pharmacy they have to go to to get a vaccination shot.

[spoon.ek9]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Yah but you and I both know that it's not that black and white ... what is deemed a 'non-urgent' surgery or procedure can have dramatic consequences on the quality of life of an individual and/or affect factors that result in end of life.

A month delay to cancer care might raise death risk: study
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/a-mont...22sobering%22.

Delaying cancer treatment by just a month can put patients at a sharply greater risk of dying, according to research published Wednesday, the latest to sound the alarm over the coronavirus pandemic's impact on other health conditions.

Treatment delays happen in normal times, but the spread of COVID-19 has caused unprecedented disruption to health-care services.

In a new study published in the BMJ medical journal, researchers in the U.K. and Canada found that delays in treatment -- whether for surgery, radiotherapy, or other treatments such as chemotherapy -- for seven types of cancers had a significant impact on patient mortality.

I can't speak to other cancer clinics but mine is busier than it's ever been and pharmacy has only seen an increase of 2 hours coverage by a second pharmacist. The bottle neck there is resources for more staff. Meanwhile unit clerks and nurses have increased their staff numbers.

Anyways, I see your point. There's probably an endless amount of examples where these delays can cause issues. My hospital is currently only running 2 operating rooms while nurses are being redeployed to ICU/the covid ward. When we reach the tail end of this third wave, things in OR can go back to normal. That's just how it's going to go until we see those numbers drop and vaccination numbers increase.

[N.V.M.]

Originally Posted by G

When did you get your first shot?

April 29th