Originally Posted by Coren (Post 9038955)

Don't want to be tracked? Get off the internet forever

Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 9038949)

A QR code, whether on your phone or on a printed piece of paper, suggests that the government will instantly know exactly where and when you visit businesses requiring these passports. I am not really comfortable handing them that power so easily, as opposed to all the other methods they might do that which would require some levels of legal hoops to do.

Why can't it be a simple physical card that those businesses can check in person, like bouncers, liquor store employees, gas station attendants, etc. are all trained to do?

Are people still going to be ok with QR passports as the situation changes under a new wave to include more services, even essential ones, or to have to present them to travel to other health regions? What if they decide to prevent people who are "spreading misinformation about covid" or criticizing the WHO/CDC/goverment from accessing services and businesses? Then we are into a Chinese-style social credit system with little effort.


I have had covid, I am pro-vax, pro-mask (when it makes sense), and you might have even had me onboard with a physical vaccine passport. Can anyone explain how these QR codes can't/won't track your movements as apposed to a physical passport?

Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 9038966)

Let's just say I went without a cell phone up until 2011 because I didn't like the tracking and listening in abilities. And the whole Edward Snowden/NSA story pretty much vindicated my beliefs to my friends pissed off with how hard it was to get a hold of me lol.

As I said, and I must point out I am asking here as I am no expert, a QR code would give an instant log to the government of the identity, time and location of citizens so they know where you go, when you go, and how often you go to various places. I don't believe they should have the right to that information without oversight or limits (have they not also indicated they could extend its use?), regardless of their intentions, good or bad.

Handing a physical vaccine passport to an employee of a business so that they may verify my identity and vaccine status, does not give anything to the government. Otherwise every time I went to the bar in my 20's would have told them I drank too much and wasted too much money. It is not difficult to train someone to verify the vaccine cards with ID since minimum wage gas station attendants have to ID people all day long for cigarettes and lotto.

Originally Posted by acrophobia (Post 9038968)

My wife hardly gives two shits about where I go on my own, so I highly doubt the government really cares that much about me to actively track me. If they do, prepare to be bored out of your bloody mind.

Originally Posted by fliptuner (Post 9038973)

:lawl::lawl::lawl: Track my internet history.

Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 9038966)

As I said, and I must point out I am asking here as I am no expert, a QR code would give an instant log to the government of the identity, time and location of citizens so they know where you go, when you go, and how often you go to various places.

Originally Posted by hud 91gt (Post 9038994)

Pretty sure that cell phone you happily carry around is a damn good tracking device too.

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9038969)

In fact I'd argue that they should have added tracking, so when there's a covid breakout they can contact everyone who was there.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 9039031)

To be fair, even these mega corps being referred to here never thought location data, cookies, etc would be worth shit 10-15 years ago

Now personal data is one of the most coveted marketing machines available and this data is worth untold amounts of money to these companies.

Eventually the govt. is going to want a peice of that whether they are doing anything with it now or not.

Originally Posted by The Producer (Post 9039016)

this is the cliche'd slippery slope that I don't like.

i don't go anywhere and willingly provide "the government" with a footprint of having been there.

sure - our phones track us, and FB and IG and all that shit. currently, nobody can legally get at that information.

this feels like the first step in giving that up.

if you guys don't think electronic contact tracing is a huge issue - I don't know what to say. I don't want to live in a country where I could get a phone call telling me i'm on house arrest for 2 weeks because of where my phone has been.

Originally Posted by CivicBlues (Post 9039018)

Oh noes the gubment noes where I 'gon be!!

1. Is there any indication of any tracking functionality in the QR code scanner? - No
2. What exactly is the government going to do with this information? - Nothing I can think of, and no confirming vaccination status is not anywhere near a "Social credit system" or "tracking". Except companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon do this and take this information to sell, influence, and generally control everything you see online - and you're ok with this?
3. Does anyone care you go to Cactus Club 3 times a week? - Fuck no but maybe the 20-year old waitress you keep stalking will start to notice a pattern.

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9039055)

Or are you in one with an elected liberal government that just wants their citizens to be safe, and if tracking people to keep them informed on covid outbreaks does that, it's something to consider.

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9039055)

Really? Where do you go that would even get you placed under arrest? (maybe don't answer that lol)

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9039055)

Then you have to consider what kind of country you live in that you would be giving up your location data to.

Are you in a country with a fascist regime that keeps track of its citizens to quell any potential "threats" at any given time? Or one that tries to control society by docking "points" to people for going certain places?

Or are you in one with an elected liberal government that just wants their citizens to be safe, and if tracking people to keep them informed on covid outbreaks does that, it's something to consider.