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The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus.
ok, but isn't this generalizing it too much?
According to PHO currently, if someone in your household tests positive, but if you're vaccinated and have a negative test, you don't need to self isolate.
So it prevents SOME people from getting the virus (would depend on circumstances I imagine), and for those that still do, the symptoms are reduced greatly.
I'm Pfizer double vaccinated ...let's just say I would not go to a Covid party. Would you?
I personally know someone double vaccinated who got it. So it's a bit of a roulette. Having said that, this person's symptoms was a lot less than others whom I know were not vaccinated that caught it. So this is what real life evidence is demonstrating.
In your scenario, if you came into contact with someone covid positive, and you do not show any symptoms, you do not need to self isolate regardless.
In your scenario, if you came into contact with someone covid positive, and you do not show any symptoms, you do not need to self isolate regardless.
This is a change since vaccines came into play.
Previously, if you were identified as a close contact of a positive case or within the same household, you have to self isolate for 14 days since day of contact regardless of test results or symptoms.
Those who say that even at the outset, they knew that this vaccine isn't meant to prevent you from getting Covid is blowing smoke out of their arse. I've been following this just as close as anyone, right from the beginning. They marketed as a prevention of covid.
This is not true whatsoever... You can go back and look at this very thread when the data was first starting to come out. We knew what it was going to be from the very start.
This is not true whatsoever... You can go back and look at this very thread when the data was first starting to come out. We knew what it was going to be from the very start.
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Science said nothing about covid prevention.
Misinformed dolts on Facebook and TikTok made claims about prevention while they discussed 5g microchips, magnetism, and spike protein shedding
Ok. When the vaccine was first released and numbers like "Pfizer or Moderna are 85-90% effective" what did that mean to you? Effective at what? Effective in reducing symptoms? Effective in prevention of Covid?
What did you know from the start? Even the epidemiologist didn't know whether you could be a carrier or could catch it if you were vaccinated.
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It was 85-90% effective in preventing infection. It was reduced to 65%(ish) when the delta variant came on the scene. When you look at the amount of those infected in comparison to population percentages that are vaccinated/unvaccinated, I’d say those numbers are still relatively aligned?
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
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I honestly don’t know, I haven’t been paying as much attention to the numbers lately. But I do think when we look at actual prevention levels they might add up, but it’s hard to tell, because if you’re vaccinated and have no symptoms you aren’t getting tested. That said, if you’re unvaccinated, and have symptoms, you also probably aren’t getting tested cause you don’t think it’s real unless it’s about to kill you. Truthfully we will never know the numbers because it relies too much on the way individuals handle it.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Ok. When the vaccine was first released and numbers like "Pfizer or Moderna are 85-90% effective" what did that mean to you? Effective at what? Effective in reducing symptoms? Effective in prevention of Covid?
What did you know from the start? Even the epidemiologist didn't know whether you could be a carrier or could catch it if you were vaccinated.
To varying degrees, it's effective at preventing death, effective at preventing symptoms, effective at preventing spreading. Those three things. Epidemiologists knew it, shared it with us, so we knew it too. If you'd posted the rest of the quote, you'd know this too
If everyone got vaccinated somehow before Delta showed up, we'd have essentially cured covid by now. Things are a bit different now, but vaccination is still required to deal with it.
I know someone who is double vaxxed that got hit hard with Covid.
So that someone probably would of died if they werent double vaxxed. Thats how i see it, but we will never really know unless they test covid on identical twins or something.
So all this talk of Alberta having “only 30 ICU beds left” the system on the brink of collapse etc. clearly this is somewhat hyperbole
So in Florida where they’ve been going full retard since the begging with hundreds of deaths a day, thousands of cases a day, they aren’t in full collapse?
Disney world and all the major theme parks are still open, the state is seemingly fully open for business and travel etc etc. can come and go as you please, virtually no restrictions
Obviously urgent/necessary/optional surgeries are likely cancelled and the resulting trickle down effect on the general health of the residents there. But clearly they are operating almost as usual and just choose to live with the situation?
I would think sooner than later everywhere is going to basically be forced into that type of situation as really, how long can you cater to the unvaccinated? The entire population has to suffer for their choices? Ehhhh
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Ok. When the vaccine was first released and numbers like "Pfizer or Moderna are 85-90% effective" what did that mean to you? Effective at what? Effective in reducing symptoms? Effective in prevention of Covid?
What did you know from the start? Even the epidemiologist didn't know whether you could be a carrier or could catch it if you were vaccinated.
It was pretty clear from the start that the efficacy rates stated were based on efficacy of reducing serious/life-threatening COVID symptoms of getting sick, nothing to do with actually carrying the virus or not.
This video was shared widely at the beginning and even they state the efficacy is based on the reduction of symptoms:
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Cuz you pay for healthcare in the US, so you get COVID you die at home. I was just talking to a couple who used to live in the States a few years ago. It could cost like $5000 to get an ambulance to drive you to the hospital. It's cheaper to Uber to the hospital.
I'm sure we'll be fully vaccinated if we started charging people or just deduct it from their pay.
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So all this talk of Alberta having “only 30 ICU beds left” the system on the brink of collapse etc. clearly this is somewhat hyperbole
So in Florida where they’ve been going full retard since the begging with hundreds of deaths a day, thousands of cases a day, they aren’t in full collapse?
Disney world and all the major theme parks are still open, the state is seemingly fully open for business and travel etc etc. can come and go as you please, virtually no restrictions
Obviously urgent/necessary/optional surgeries are likely cancelled and the resulting trickle down effect on the general health of the residents there. But clearly they are operating almost as usual and just choose to live with the situation?
I would think sooner than later everywhere is going to basically be forced into that type of situation as really, how long can you cater to the unvaccinated? The entire population has to suffer for their choices? Ehhhh
Had my first run-in with an anti-masker the other day while Shopping with my son at Save-On. I just turned the corner into an aisle and there was a woman to my right looking at some things on the lower shelf, but I didn't really focus on her as I was looking at stuff on the opposite side.
As I walk just past her I hear "Take it off him"? At first I'm like "What? Who's talking to me?".
And then I hear it again coming from her "Take it off him! His mask, he doesn't need it in here". I kind of look at her for a second, stunned, notice that she wasn't wearing a mask, and say to her "Yeah, you don't need to worry about my son thanks" and then keep walking.
Just a bizarre experience that I wasn't expecting.
Cuz you pay for healthcare in the US, so you get COVID you die at home. I was just talking to a couple who used to live in the States a few years ago. It could cost like $5000 to get an ambulance to drive you to the hospital. It's cheaper to Uber to the hospital.
I'm sure we'll be fully vaccinated if we started charging people or just deduct it from their pay.
According to a bunch of stats I read a while back I believe like 80-90% of Americans actually have some sort of coverage/insurance so I wouldn’t say that’s really the case
Unless people just die at home because they can’t even afford the deductible I guess
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I was just talking to a couple who used to live in the States a few years ago. It could cost like $5000 to get an ambulance to drive you to the hospital. It's cheaper to Uber to the hospital. 
