coronavirus discussion

[CRS]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

According to a bunch of stats I read a while back I believe like 80-90% of Americans actually have some sort of coverage/insurance so I wouldn’t say that’s really the case

Unless people just die at home because they can’t even afford the deductible I guess

I suppose you would need to define what "coverage" means. IIRC, that coverage is the most miniscule thing where if you had anything serious, you'd still go bankrupt.

It is, by no means, what we have here in terms of coverage.

[Hondaracer]

Well regardless of that back to my original point, if you are reporting the cases and deaths to this degree these are people who are in the system, being treated somewhere presumably.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Well regardless of that back to my original point, if you are reporting the cases and deaths to this degree these are people who are in the system, being treated somewhere presumably.

It's a weird thing, isn't it? People are more inclined to die that go into these extreme debts.

I would argue that these people are avoiding the hospitals and dying elsewhere. But also, wasn't florida the state where they were literally setting up tents to treat all these people or using them as impromptu morgues?

[hud 91gt]

Speaking on the other side of the argument, if one didn’t have insurance and was not confident in the outcome of any hospitalization. Having your family pay off the debt of your medical bills when your dead isn’t such a great option either.

[320icar]

Originally Posted by CRS

I suppose you would need to define what "coverage" means. IIRC, that coverage is the most miniscule thing where if you had anything serious, you'd still go bankrupt.

It is, by no means, what we have here in terms of coverage.

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[Manic!]

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/deductible/

You may have coverage but your delectable could be $2000 and then your insurance may only cover 80% of anything over $2000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/covi...-to-75000.html

For those with insurance who are using in-network providers, out-of-pocket costs will be a portion of $21,936 to $38,755, depending on the cost-sharing provisions of their health plan.

So on a $22000 bill a person with coverage could be stuck with a $6000 bill.

[lilaznviper]

i think it will get to a point where insurance companys will stop insuring if you don't have the vaccine for covid19, if you end up in the hospital with covid19

[mikemhg]

A lot of deductibles for private insurance in the US is upwards of $5-$10K

Here, look at Amazon's plan:

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_p...itsoverview-us

Look at these deductibles:

$1,500/employee
$3,000/employee + spouse/domestic partner or children
$4,500/family

That's for a semi-decent plan, I've seen plans for some shit ass companies that go upwards of $10K.

That's the reason why people don't go to the hospital or call an ambulance in a lot of cases when "underprivileged".

EDIT: Obamacare legislation dropped that allowable deductible to $7,500 (I'm somewhat behind on my US Policy, still a massively high amount for most).

[westopher]

gun = rights
healthcare = communism

[CRS]

Originally Posted by westopher

gun = rights
healthcare = communism

Taking money from the government when you're poor = trashy/socialist
Taking money from the government when you're rich = smart/patriot

[westopher]

Communism
Capitalism

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

So in Florida where they’ve been going full retard since the begging with hundreds of deaths a day, thousands of cases a day, they aren’t in full collapse?

The state that has 2/3 of the population of Canada, but has 2x the COVID deaths even with them trying to hide the numbers?

[Hondaracer]

And yet are a fully functioning society with the worlds largest theme parks operating at full capacity, maskless.

[SkunkWorks]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

And yet are a fully functioning society with the worlds largest theme parks operating at full capacity, maskless.

Lmao florida's your poster child for normality because Disney is still open?

[underscore]

Florida wasn't a fully functioning society to begin with. What metric are you using here because fudging your numbers and still having the 9th highest death rate of the US states isn't a very good starting point.

Their ICUs are averaging 89% capacity, and that's after you filter out all the people who can't afford to go to one or have already died. https://data.commercialappeal.com/co...ty/florida/12/

[JDMDreams]

Make theme parks great again! best winter ever!

But yea for reals though what I see on YouTube amazes me, ppl out and about in concerts or car shows with no masks. I guess Murica #1 is immune.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by SkunkWorks

Lmao florida's your poster child for normality because Disney is still open?

No, I’m just saying that this constant thread that Alberta is about to fall off the edge of the earth with 130 people in ICU is just fear mongering as Florida has operated like this from the beginning

Eventually you let people die for the benefit of others. Not great but you can’t keep doing these “fire breaks” and punish the rest of society for the choices of a small group (albeit in Florida it’s a much larger group)

[spoon.ek9]

Alberta's health authority has already publicly admitted it was a mistake to remove all restrictions this summer. Right now, they're begging the federal gov't and neighbouring provinces (ie, us) for assistance. They have a shortage of nurses for multiple reasons on top of the fact that their shit head PM decided it would be a great idea to cut their pay.

Florida is the way it is because DeSantis is doing his best impression of Trump in order to position himself as the next Republican nominee. They aren't fully functioning. They're simply trying to ignore and distract while people continue to suffer and die.

[westopher]

Florida’s healthcare system has probably been spared the whole time because dying in a hospital is too expensive, so people are choosing to die at home more often.

[twitchyzero]

isn't that what people are asking for here, if you're not protected and dying, don't take up a bed?

[westopher]

That’s exactly what I’m asking for. I literally said that’s why their healthcare system hasn’t collapsed. That’s not how the healthcare system works though here, is it.

[Hondaracer]

I don’t think that’s why it hasn’t “collapsed”

The reason it hasn’t is that that doesn’t happen. How can you report all these deaths and attribute them to COVID if they aren’t being treated somewhere?

[westopher]

If people with cancer are getting treatments delayed (my grandfather has) or getting sent home from the emergency room and having to come back in an ambulance (my mother has) I’d say it’s already fucking collapsed.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I don’t think that’s why it hasn’t “collapsed”

The reason it hasn’t is that that doesn’t happen. How can you report all these deaths and attribute them to COVID if they aren’t being treated somewhere?

Because you can do post mortem analysis and through tests you can confirm what the likely cause of dead is...?

If someone dies and there's no clear cause of death, this is standard practice for coroners.

[pastarocket]

-just heard on Citynews1130 that Dr. Henry is going to talk about booster shots for seniors in long term care facilities today. Press conference at 31:30pm.

What are people's thoughts about making rapid testing available at schools? -heard on the news that some parents in the Lower Mainland are asking for rapid testing just like the testing at some schools in Ontario.