If it wasn't covid that did him in, it might have been the ivermectin he said he was taking when he got sick. The amount needed to "treat" covid can make you much sicker, even kill you.

Solid post over on that reddit thread.

I'm like who the fuck is this clown? Now reading the news, I'm like how is this even news....adds no value to society.

He was actually a crisis actor in the war on freedom

Want to get really fucking mad, but then feel kinda OK at the end?

https://v.redd.it/7jeomgd47sx71

^This is exactly what needs to happen in Canada, and we'll be over this antivax crap.

Too bad it would take a constitutional change..

what about smokers ?

I am so conflicted about this because on one hand, I think this is absolutely the right thing to do -- you have been repeatedly warned about the COVID risks, but you still choose to go against the recommendation, so it is only right to make you bear the financial responsibility when shxt hits the fan.

On the other hand, it very much becomes a matter of "where do you draw the line" on this type of issue? Like smokers getting lung cancer. Mountain Biker breaking an arm during a ride. Teenage pregnancy. Or just plain old tons of different illnesses from someone being a lazy a$$ and not exercising.

So where do you draw the line?

^Communicable illness?

I heard eating pussy causes cancer. is that a commicable disease?

COVID does not have a multi-billion lobbying group. The only people lobbying against COVID are idiots like Mak Parhar.

sp - communicable

The kind you eat .. probably. It's called STD.

should add: trump deserves full credit for the vaccine but also, don't get the vaccine because it's unsafe.

Big difference. I’ve made similar comparisons and arguments about this debate. My heart says fuck the anti vax but my head knows it would be a logistical minefield. But the reason smoking is a bad example is that, yes, it’s a choice, but it just effects you. Whereas directly skirting covid rules has a much greater public risk. And if these people think “it’s just a flu” they should have no issue signing it.

We’ve banned indoor public smoking, public area outdoor smoking, smoking near any windows/doorways, and home/car smoking where children may be present. These are all measures taken to protect the general public for potentially getting sick from something that has nothing to do with you and can be “passed around” in public.

Why should covid be any different?

Our healthcare system, as it sits, can handle the smokers and everything else listed there. It can't handle COVID if it's allowed to run amuck.

The gov't also taxes smokes like crazy, so you could argue they are somewhat paying for a portion of their care.

Also add: don't trust the healthcare system, until I feel sick then let me clog up the ICU for a couple months.

This list is literally endless.

Healthcare is socialism! Handouts are socialism! But also please here's a gofundme to pay for my husband/wife's medical bills, please donate.

S/he's won the battle with Covid! But s/he's with Jesus now.

The argument with smoking is -- 2nd hand smoke is just as bad, or some times worse than 1st hand smoke. So while smoking isn't strictly a communicable disease, it still sort of is (via 2nd hand smoke). And then it comes back to the question of where we draw the line.

I can see a couple of argument against what you're saying here too. Firstly, I'd say it is questionable whether our healthcare system can really handle smokers and a bunch of other stuff that we've listed. Cancer treatment and resources can always be spent on other non-smoking patients that do not have lung cancer. ER can always use more doctors. We have an overdose crisis and treatment for those who OD are very expensive and often quite the revolving door. If we drop the COVID patients off healthcare's financial coverage, do we also drop OD people from healthcare financial coverage as well?

Some people could also claim that a healthcare system that cannot better care for our current number of COVID patients is a failure of the system itself, and that it should be dramatically expanded to build that capacity. And our healthcare is inadequate -- look at all those wait times for "elective surgeries". I hate that term because "elective surgery" isn't really elective in a lot of cases. It just means it isn't immediately life threatening, but it could still be very bad.

As much as I'd like to just fxxk the anti-vax idiots, the spectrum from black to gray to white makes it too difficult to draw that line.

What I find interesting, and part of why I shared that about SG, is I see a lot of people in the US and Canada hoping for a more authoritative state when it comes to things like this.

And that is exactly the problem with the Singaporean gov -- they are authoritarian. It's great if you happen to agree with them. But if you disagree with them, even if you have good reason to, you're fxxked.

Yup it's an interesting argument that most don't consider

I find it odd for sg to take that stance tho, considering how supportive of the population it is, you'd think they'd back their citizenry regardless of their choices

They have their fair share of anti vaxxers and nutjobs, and it only takes a few to mess everything up.

They have had way more people die in the last month than any other month since covid started.

Someone's mom died from it, and she found conversations on her WhatsApp church group chat with her talking about not getting vaccinated, buying ivermectin when she got sick, being mad at her daughter for going on about vaccines, etc. It was an interesting look at what goes on in someone's head who is antivax but not necessarily a nutjob. Just influenced by cults instead of science.

Oh wow didn't realize they were like that

The worst part now is all the people spreading it and re-spreading it are creating mutations and variations, even within Canada. It’s not even as simple as them slowing down recovery or clogging up hospitals or waiting for them all to get sick… They’re literally preventing us from being able to stop it.