coronavirus discussion

[whitev70r]

This part of the article really stood out to me, she wasn't some cray cray anti-vax 5G chip wacko:

Although she was unvaccinated, Jan Rek stressed that his mother did not believe in some of the more bizarre conspiracy theories about Covid vaccines.

"Her philosophy was that she was more OK with the idea of catching Covid than getting vaccinated. Not that we would get microchipped or anything like that," he said.

There was no point in trying to discuss the issue with her as it would just get too emotional, he added. Instead, he hoped that by telling his story he could convince others to get vaccinated.

"If you have living examples from real life, it's more powerful than just graphs and numbers. You can't really sympathise with numbers."

[westopher]

I don’t think you really need to believe you get a microchip to be considered pretty fucking stupid if you are more afraid of the vaccines than you are of covid. It’s pretty simple math that’s readily available.

[whitev70r]

^ that's the kind of language that will polarize the hesitant. But go ahead ... you be you.

[SkinnyPupp]

"But Pfizer wants to make money"

I don't think all anti vax people (or vax 'hesitant') are all stupid idiots. Mostly just misinformed, or so strictly hate being "told what to do" that they'll do the opposite of what's in their best interests. Or a lot of people who can't see past themselves, and "if I get covid I'll be fine" as if the only thing that matters in life is one person.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

^ that's the kind of language that will polarize the hesitant. But go ahead ... you be you.

You’ve got a different feeling about someone purposely catching covid? Have at it. I’m sure all the people looking for vax info are coming to the RS thread.
We are two years into this. People have been asked nicely, inconvenienced, told explicitly, been given encyclopedias of statistics. I’m not sympathetic to 99.9% of them.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

^ that's the kind of language that will polarize the hesitant. But go ahead ... you be you.

Facts are facts. The whole idea that having a contrarian opinion makes it just as valid is fucking stupid.

When 2+2 = 4 but you believe it is 3, if I tell you that you're wrong. Is that polarizing?

[GIZZ]

Put it in the drinking water, like how they add fluoride. You wonder how they ever got away with that. I know, they just went ahead and started adding it.

[westopher]

Ha that was wild. Every dentist I have ever been to out here is like “you from edmonton?”
They can tell by looking at my teeth there was fluoride in the water.

[320icar]

Originally Posted by GIZZ

Put it in the drinking water, like how they add fluoride. You wonder how they ever got away with that. I know, they just went ahead and started adding it.

I recently found out our water in BC does not have added fluoride. Hasn’t the dental benefits been known for like Over 100 years? And isn’t BC known as the cavity capitol of Canada?

Edit for context: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6221674

[westopher]

Have you tasted the water in edmonton? It’s disgusting.

[68style]

BC having almost no fluoride additive water is literally my favourite factoid to bring up whenever I run into conspiracy thoerists spouting nonsense about government controls of populations using fluoride

Actually, it's not widely used Canada-wide, first number is percentage of the population that's drinking water with fluoride... second number is percentage that is drinking water with no fluoride in it:


British Columbia 1.17% 98.83%
Alberta 42.43% 57.57%
Saskatchewan 39.6% 60.4%
Manitoba 69.01% 30.99%
Ontario 71.1% 28.9%
Quebec 2.49% 97.51%
New Brunswick 1.18% 98.82%
Nova Scotia 46.91% 53.09%
Prince Edward Island 24.20% 75.80%
Newfoundland/Labrador 1.46% 98.54%
Nunavut 28.83% 71.17%
Northwest Territories 64.91% 35.09%
Yukon 0% 100.00%

Canada as a whole 38.7% of water supply has fluoride, 61.3% does not.

This is from 2017 statistics, Alberta's numbers would obviously sway if Calgary jumped on the fluoride wagon. Only Ontario, Manitoba and NWT are heavy fluoride users.

[JDMDreams]

Surprise mother fuckers the gov lied again

Latest research shows Omicron infectious up to 10 days: Tam

But Tam told the House of Commons health committee that the sheer number infections from Omicron is stressing workforces and is a reason to adjust our risk tolerance for ending isolation periods early.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...-tam-1.5745294

It might kill you but you gotta show up for work son, bekuz eCoNomiez

[white rocket]

"Proof of vaccination or recent infection from the virus is required in the Czech Republic to gain entry to many social and cultural venues, including cinemas, bars and cafes"

Do we think that recent infection from the virus will be as suitable as a vaccine here in Canada for entry to restricted vax-only zones at any point? Considering that countries like Austria are looking to impose heavy fines just to not getting vaxxed it seems a bit odd that other countries would recognize recovery from covid as similar protection to the vaccine itself. Millions of people get covid and recover and are not vaccinated so would those people get fines for not being vaxxed even though it seems that it should be recognized. Am I looking at this wrong?

[westopher]

As far as risk, i don’t think it will be necessary as vaccine passports will go away if the virus becomes something to truly not worry about. The real purpose of the passports is to inconvenience the unvaccinated into being vaccinated, so they “inconvenience” the medical system less.
The last thing they want is to get people to go catch covid so they can participate in social activities again, because look what happens.

[Hondaracer]

If you’ve already had Covid and recovered though what is the likelihood of you being a strain on the healthcare system?

Much of Europe is using that same system Czechia is using where you can get your vacc pass if your recovered, vaccinated, or have a valid PCR test.

[68style]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Surprise mother fuckers the gov lied again

Latest research shows Omicron infectious up to 10 days: Tam

But Tam told the House of Commons health committee that the sheer number infections from Omicron is stressing workforces and is a reason to adjust our risk tolerance for ending isolation periods early.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...-tam-1.5745294

It might kill you but you gotta show up for work son, bekuz eCoNomiez

How did you jump to the conclusion that anyone lied?

As soon as they had updated data from further studies showing the virus is still infectious, they presented the information and are updating the information posted.

Nobody lied, they're being extremely upfront.

The provinces are the ones choosing to ignore the number of infectious days and coming up with their own policies.

[winson604]

Originally Posted by 68style

How did you jump to the conclusion that anyone lied?

As soon as they had updated data from further studies showing the virus is still infectious, they presented the information and are updating the information posted.

Nobody lied, they're being extremely upfront.

The provinces are the ones choosing to ignore the number of infectious days and coming up with their own policies.

My thoughts exactly re the Provincial Government at least. Their decisions for the longest time has been more economy based not science based. I just came out of ISO last week but I did ISO for 5 and masked for another 5 at home.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

If you’ve already had Covid and recovered though what is the likelihood of you being a strain on the healthcare system?

Much of Europe is using that same system Czechia is using where you can get your vacc pass if your recovered, vaccinated, or have a valid PCR test.

I think you should re-read my breakdown on it if you are posting to be contrary to what I said. Im not suggesting that someone who’s had covid and is reinfected is more likely to be sick than someone that’s vaccinated at all in what I wrote.
It’s gotta vary a lot pending on the person and how long since infection.

[Hondaracer]

Wasn’t trying to be contrary just more so wondering out loud and if those stats exist in terms of recovered, unvaccinated, cases.

If a country like Germany can roll with the recovered status as proof for a vax pass, there has to be a bunch of data on that being effective

[westopher]

They have to be around, but I think there would be so many different pieces of information to get really meaningful data about it.

[inv4zn]

Here's some actual info on recovery antibodies:
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...overy-covid-19

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

So, science shows that most people who had covid have antibodies long-term.

But, it is extremely disingenuous to take this and say things like "you don't need the vaccine"...because you've already had fucking covid.

Having the antibodies in you from having covid isn't mutually exclusive of the effects of covid. And to try to answer the question whether already having covid excludes you from burdening the healthcare system - well there's documented evidence having covid (even if recovered) can fuck you up. So if you get re-infected because you're unlucky or new strain or whatever, then you could start with lower HP, and therefore be hospitalized easier.

I mean this is all statistical and hypothetical, but the "I've already had covid, I'm immune" is stupid and dangerous to yourself. There's lots of documented cases of reinfection.

We have someone at work who had it three times since the beginning of this. We call her Typhoid Mary behind her back, they spraybomed the entire office twice because of her.

[Hondaracer]

It’s stupid and dangerous yet Germany allows recovery for form of entry into places unvaccinated people couldn’t otherwise go?

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

It’s stupid and dangerous yet Germany allows recovery for form of entry into places unvaccinated people couldn’t otherwise go?

You misread, it's stupid and dangerous to think you are invincible - just like they are for vaccinated people.

Canada also allows proof of recovery to enter Canada.

[westopher]

TORONTO – Claims that the first case of the Omicron variant reported in Beijing ‘arrived on a parcel sent from Canada’ are being met with heavy skepticism by the scientific community as well as anyone who has ever tried mailing anything using Canada Post.

“It just doesn’t seem very plausible, sending covid through the mail like that,” remarks Torontonian Mary-Ann Demers, re-checking her mailbox for a Christmas gift sent on Dec 9th by a relative in Brampton. “My god, the shipping costs alone!”

While the amount of time that the coronavirus can survive on surfaces is still not fully understood, many scientists agree it is ‘highly implausible’ for any virus to remain viable at its destination after four return trips to the same distribution centre and a two-week stint lost in a sorting facility.


Dr. Vincent Tranh, an epidemiologist at McGill University, further refutes the claims. “Our lab has been extensively modelling transmission rate and all our models repeatedly show that for a package sent by Canada Post to be arriving in Beijing right now, it would have had to have been sent in early 2019.”

Canada Post has yet to respond to any of these accusations but have assured Canadians they will attempt to respond two more times, at which point their statement can be picked up from the nearest post office.

At press time, the Canadian government has thoroughly denied all allegations of ‘germ warfare’ from Beijing stating that if it was going to be sending the Omicron variant overseas, it would be doing so the old-fashioned way: through an Olympic delegation.

Response to chinas allegations.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by westopher

Response to chinas allegations.

lol, just so you know, that's from a Beaverton article.