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[Qmx323]

Originally Posted by westopher

That’s a shitload of rules for a freedom convoy.

Seems like freedom means different strokes for different folks

[punkwax]

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[Vancouver240sx]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Idiots planning protests across Canada on the 5th.

At least protesting PHO restrictions at the BC legislature makes makes much more sense than the Ottawa Truckers.

Rich

[TOS'd]

Freedom Convoy GFM suspended, donors getting refund emails.




EDIT: Also note that there was roughly $1,000,000 of the GFM which was released and supposedly distributed (to someone's pocket) before it was suspended. And that Tamara Lich, is AWOL/MIA, but has setup a second GFM according to this twitter post.

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[mikemhg]

Was about to post about this, Tamara Lich has been MIA since Sunday, appears to have run away with a smooth milly

Apparently she did something similar to this back in 2019 as well?

Gotta love it, these people are fucking idiots.

[TOS'd]

^ She was also alegedly getting e-transfers directly to her as donations. (Source: can't find it again as twitter is hard to navigate all the comments within threads).

Definitely more than a smooth milly, haha

[mikemhg]

About nursing by the way.

Apparently quite a lot of nurses are quitting the profession, it's changed a lot over the last decade. Way more people are in the hospital nowadays due to drug issues, mental health problems. Similar to how the jails back in 2010 were literally flooded with homeless folks to make way for the Olympics.

It's apparently not fun getting cold-cocked in the face by a meth-head while working your night shift in the acute care unit.

Another issue is that a lot of nurses are taking contracts down south, getting paid $10k a week, room and board paid for in places like Florida, California, etc. A friend of mine is starting her contract later this month in California for the next few months. I'm pushing my GF to do the same, ASAP.

COVID has been a unique disruptor of sorts within the Healthcare field, much the same as the mass exodus within the Service/Retail/Food industry has seen.

It seems many nurses, or soon-to-be ones are having a change of heart as the very fundamental nature of the job has changed so much over the last decade, perhaps Spoon has comments to this as well.

[westopher]

There’s travel nursing opportunities in the US that could pay RNs like 250-300k a year. We have been talking about doing the same.
When I spent 2 nights in the hospital while my wife was in labour, I heard no less than 20 code whites (violent patients) over the intercom. The health care systems reckoning has only begun.

[Traum]

This talent drain in the healthcare sector sounds remarkably similar to the IT / pharmacist / MD brain drain I've personally seen in the past. Since graduating from university, I've had friends leaving Vancouver and Toronto to work in the US. Most of them went down with the intention to only do this on a "temporary" basis for a few years to earn some good money before deciding what to do next. Some of them came back, and some of them stayed to become US PR / citizens.

What I found most interesting is -- the few doctor friends that came back to work in Canada mostly told me that the messy US system and how the liability risks / risks of getting sued for malpractice are the major reasons that they came back. Are nurses subjected to that sort of thing in the US as well?

[Great68]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

About nursing by the way.

Apparently quite a lot of nurses are quitting the profession, it's changed a lot over the last decade. Way more people are in the hospital nowadays due to drug issues, mental health problems. Similar to how the jails back in 2010 were literally flooded with homeless folks to make way for the Olympics.

It's apparently not fun getting cold-cocked in the face by a meth-head while working your night shift in the acute care unit.

Another issue is that a lot of nurses are taking contracts down south, getting paid $10k a week, room and board paid for in places like Florida, California, etc. A friend of mine is starting her contract later this month in California for the next few months. I'm pushing my GF to do the same, ASAP.

COVID has been a unique disruptor of sorts within the Healthcare field, much the same as the mass exodus within the Service/Retail/Food industry has seen.

It seems many nurses, or soon-to-be ones are having a change of heart as the very fundamental nature of the job has changed so much over the last decade, perhaps Spoon has comments to this as well.

My sister just left her job as an Oncology Nurse at Children's to work at a fertility clinic.
Better pay, standard daytime hours, and an actual staffing level proportional to the amount of work. She really loved working with kids, but said she was burnt out from understaffing.

[SSM_DC5]

On the topic of pay, nurses usually get raises as per the collective agreement beginning of April. Well the agreement expires this year and the union announced that negotiations for the new agreement is postponed until fall! More incentive to leave the health care because pay is already not enough, they're not getting raises and inflation is 4% right now. Free parking ends Mar 4.

Fun fact about nurses working short staffed. From a budgeting stand point, it's far cheaper to work short staffed than it is to pay extra through overtime or other avenues to entice nurses to work more. The "penalty" to the employer is $3 per hour for each nurse working short which is $165 vs about $450 if they paid straight time to 1 nurse to fill the shortage.

[SkinnyPupp]

Based on this thread, Canada is actually falling apart

[mikemhg]

I've never seen it like this in my life in Canada, honestly. I'm talking more tonally, and from a political sense.

The American-style populism is catching like fire up here, and it's not boomers, it's people in their 20's and 30's as well.

I'm truly baffled how successful this psyop style campaign from the right has been so successful and pernicious here in Canada, would never have guessed it 10 years ago.

[SkinnyPupp]

I chat with my sister who is in her 50's and some of the stuff she's saying blows my mind, because it's not like she's some weird boomer. Nothing extreme but it feels like I'm watching someone turn into a rightwing weirdo before my eyes. Everything is driving her towards it, covid, mandates, mixed messaging from health officials, drug epidemic, homelessness, crime.. she constantly talks about crime.

[Hondaracer]

How can anyone say it’s this right wing extremism setting the tone in Canada when we’ve been under this liberal rule for the last 7 years? Lol

All the division etc. has happened under JT’s reign. Nothing was even close to this fevered pitch before him. You can blame trump and all this other BS but it’s pretty clear JT sows division in this country. You can say it’s the pandemic etc. but this country has never been this divided, maybe ever. And it’s all happened under the federal liberals.

The “peoples prime minister” has seen a 500% increase in home prices nation wide while in power. Crime, violence, drug abuse, all thrive pretty well when you’re homeless.

When I said above that we’re turning into SF, I didn’t mean casual gay sex inside a tech hub. I meant the collapse of society overrun by petty crime, random violence, homelessness etc. Vancouver has never been in a worse spot than it is right now. You can’t walk 20 feet without passing a pile of human shit or a couple dirty needles almost anywhere downtown.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by SSM_DC5

On the topic of pay, nurses usually get raises as per the collective agreement beginning of April. Well the agreement expires this year and the union announced that negotiations for the new agreement is postponed until fall! More incentive to leave the health care because pay is already not enough, they're not getting raises and inflation is 4% right now. Free parking ends Mar 4.

Usually the way these CBA works is -- the negotiations might be delayed, but when the details of the new pay structure gets worked out, the pay raise are retro-actively applied. In some cases, even if the person has quit between the time of the last CBA expiring and the new CBA getting negotiated, they'll get reimbursed for the hours that they have worked during that CBA void period. Especially because this is nurses we are talking about, I would hardly think the provincial government would be stupid enough to piss them off on something as minor as retroactive pay hike in a CBA renewal.

So realistically, you are not going to lose any money just because the last CBA has expired, and the new one hasn't been negotiated yet. But I can certainly see how not everyone would understand this, and go into the misunderstanding that they are getting jipped.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I chat with my sister who is in her 50's and some of the stuff she's saying blows my mind, because it's not like she's some weird boomer. Nothing extreme but it feels like I'm watching someone turn into a rightwing weirdo before my eyes. Everything is driving her towards it, covid, mandates, mixed messaging from health officials, drug epidemic, homelessness, crime.. she constantly talks about crime.

What crime is she talking about? I don't feel like things are particularly worse in the big cities. Yeah ppl drive like bigger assholes than before but that's hardly crime worthy. There were more breakins than usual along the skytrain because of covid, but I'd attribute that to covid.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

How can anyone say it’s this right wing extremism setting the tone in Canada when we’ve been under this liberal rule for the last 7 years? Lol

All the division etc. has happened under JT’s reign. Nothing was even close to this fevered pitch before him. You can blame trump and all this other BS but it’s pretty clear JT sows division in this country. You can say it’s the pandemic etc. but this country has never been this divided, maybe ever. And it’s all happened under the federal liberals.

The “peoples prime minister” has seen a 500% increase in home prices nation wide while in power. Crime, violence, drug abuse, all thrive pretty well when you’re homeless.

When I said above that we’re turning into SF, I didn’t mean casual gay sex inside a tech hub. I meant the collapse of society overrun by petty crime, random violence, homelessness etc. Vancouver has never been in a worse spot than it is right now. You can’t walk 20 feet without passing a pile of human shit or a couple dirty needles almost anywhere downtown.

In your opinion would this not have happened under another leader? The house price increase would have happened regardless given the way it was driven. A lot of petty crime and violence and some extent drug abuse have been due to the pandemic. It's again one of those die if you do die if don't things. Enact measures and it's either too draconian or not enough. I don't feel like any gov't has so far "won" in terms of measures. Only clear ones are really Taiwan and NZ and they have the benefit of being a small island.

In terms of Vancouver dt east side, that's more of a provincial and municipal issue than a federal one?

[Hondaracer]

Can we not play this game of “if this party wasn’t the one in power it would have happened anyways” enough of the hypotheticals.

A lot of the soft on crime reform by the feds has a direct result to the state we are in today imo. The DTES may be a provincial issue but homelessness is becoming rampant Canada wide. I’m not scared for my safety or anything to that extent, but Canada as a whole has been in a pretty obvious decline even before the pandemic.

I think it’s combination of both provincial and federal governments just fucking things up but we have parties leading provinces from every side of the political spectrum. The constant has been the federal liberals.

[68style]

I feel that statement is greatly exaggerated, I mostly work from home but I work in the Burrard and Hastings area and I do not see human shit or needles anywhere around there… definitely not every 20 feet… not even remotely close to that description.

Are there a few more homeless people wandering around or stores shuttered? Yup… but the whole city didn’t turn into the DTES lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

What crime is she talking about? I don't feel like things are particularly worse in the big cities.

She's in Nanaimo and talks about petty theft being insanely high, like people just walk out of stores shoplifting and nobody does anything about except occasionally other shoppers. Also tent cities, places people can't even really enjoy anymore, homeless problem, needles, stuff like that

It's boomer NIMBY stuff for sure but she was never like this before. She's traveled all over the world several times over and has seen what real shitty places look like, so it's pretty surprising coming from her.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Can we not play this game of “if this party wasn’t the one in power it would have happened anyways” enough of the hypotheticals.

A lot of the soft on crime reform by the feds has a direct result to the state we are in today imo. The DTES may be a provincial issue but homelessness is becoming rampant Canada wide. I’m not scared for my safety or anything to that extent, but Canada as a whole has been in a pretty obvious decline even before the pandemic.

I think it’s combination of both provincial and federal governments just fucking things up but we have parties leading provinces from every side of the political spectrum. The constant has been the federal liberals.

If you think this is a Canada problem, you need to do some googling. It's nothing to do with Canada, it's nothing to do with current governments in power, and everything to do with rising inequality world wide in all the countries that haven't addressed it for the last 50 years.
Inequality creates property crime and homelessness.
Inequality creates discontent.
That creates division.
You are also discounting the roles social media plays in this. 7 years ago was it normal to spend 8 hours a day on your phone browsing facebook to join groups of like minded individuals about things you hate? No. We were just posting funny youtube videos in the "fucked up shit what makes you laugh" thread and builds for our cars. IG was for pics of our dogs, cars and some shit ass breakfast you ate instead of a 5 page slide about why you are being silenced by the mainstream media for being white, or how you're the victim of a hate crime because someone cut you off on your morning commute.
Theres division because no one shuts the fuck up about anything, without ever being asked for it. I'm always down for a conversation about stuff, on here or in person, because we are all here asking for it. That's why we are in here. But no one on my IG needs to hear my opinions on politics or convoys all day every fucking day, and I don't want to hear theirs either. I'm there for dog pics.
Thats why everyones pissed off. Its rammed down their throats all day about how they are a sheep or a nazi, and everyones doubling down as a defence. We are all guilty of it. The only answer is a flip phone.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by westopher

You are also discounting the roles social media plays in this. 7 years ago was it normal to spend 8 hours a day on your phone browsing facebook to join groups of like minded individuals about things you hate?

This. So much fucking this.

Social media also seems to drive the wedge further apart between two viewpoints. You can't have a moderate viewpoint anymore, it's like if you don't clearly pick a side and die by it, you're the devil.

[SSM_DC5]

Originally Posted by Traum

Usually the way these CBA works is -- the negotiations might be delayed, but when the details of the new pay structure gets worked out, the pay raise are retro-actively applied. In some cases, even if the person has quit between the time of the last CBA expiring and the new CBA getting negotiated, they'll get reimbursed for the hours that they have worked during that CBA void period. Especially because this is nurses we are talking about, I would hardly think the provincial government would be stupid enough to piss them off on something as minor as retroactive pay hike in a CBA renewal.

So realistically, you are not going to lose any money just because the last CBA has expired, and the new one hasn't been negotiated yet. But I can certainly see how not everyone would understand this, and go into the misunderstanding that they are getting jipped.

For those who would normally invest that money, yes delayed payment creates a sense of being jipped. Government gave pandemic pay. It took about 6 months after the time period to actually reach the workers Bank account. With negotiations delayed until fall, nurses may not see a dime until Apr 2023 for wages they should have had in 2022 fiscal year.

Money now is worth more than later due to inflation.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Can we not play this game of “if this party wasn’t the one in power it would have happened anyways” enough of the hypotheticals.

A lot of the soft on crime reform by the feds has a direct result to the state we are in today imo. The DTES may be a provincial issue but homelessness is becoming rampant Canada wide. I’m not scared for my safety or anything to that extent, but Canada as a whole has been in a pretty obvious decline even before the pandemic.

I think it’s combination of both provincial and federal governments just fucking things up but we have parties leading provinces from every side of the political spectrum. The constant has been the federal liberals.

There's no game to be played because the fundamentals are there and that's the result we are seeing. There's no if because it is exactly what would have happened. What the others say about social media is a big one. No gov't would have the ability overturn the division caused by people only wanting to talk to like-minded and becoming a reinforcement loop. You calling it a what if game is imo rejecting reality and playing the what if game the other way.

I don't believe for a second that JT is the one to fix it, he occasionally has ideas but doesn't have the politcal will to go through with things. But no one else really does either as forward thinking a lot times is political suicide. Everyone is into short term gratification, and we see the exact samethings in the corporate world because shareholder equity means you stay in power, at the expense of corporate future development. Shareholder payouts are king, just like in voting, the majority's immediate benefit is king.

[Hondaracer]

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