coronavirus discussion

[westopher]

It really only changes things if you are driving. If you’re flying all of that is on the flight manifest, which airlines forward to the border crossing ahead of time

[mikemhg]

I totally agree with Honda here, some of you are being obtuse, whether purposefully or not.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...data-1.5283147

Don't try to tell me ArriveCan is like your passport, it's not, and I'm definitely not some tinfoil conspiracy theory guy.

I honestly will be surprised if we scrap the usage of this process. The ability to know ahead of time where and when a person will arrive into the country is something we haven't had available to the government in the past.

How can you not see that as being useful intel that can be utilized for various reasons?

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by westopher

It really only changes things if you are driving. If you’re flying all of that is on the flight manifest, which airlines forward to the border crossing ahead of time

You're assuming that data is actively available within a easily to access and linked database. Much of our legacy systems are antiquated, ArriveCan can be utilized as a stop-gap to that.

More than 90 percent of Canadians live within 150 miles of the US border. How do you think Canadians come and go across the border? By vehicle.

Don't be silly to think this isn't useful information.

[underscore]

Useful for what? They get the same info, just earlier.

[mikemhg]

^If I need to explain that to you, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Perhaps I need to serve papers to someone, maybe I need to question an individual, you name it. Would not knowing the exact border crossing and time that individual will be arriving not be useful in order to coordinate ahead of time? Would that not add an additional layer of certainty?

Often times when I drive down south, I'll take a different border crossing on the way home, depending on traffic, etc.

I fly to Arizona on Wednesday and can't test this out, but anyone in this thread planning on driving across the border in the near future? If so, try this test, as I'm curious.

-Enter your return port as Sumas, or a crossing in which you won't be taking back.
-Cross back over using a port crossing in which you did not declare you would be using within ArriveCan.

Let me know if CBSA decides to scrutinize the fact that you utilized a different crossing in which you declared within the app itself. I'd be happy to be totally wrong and it ends up being a totally benign experience, but try it out.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

^If I need to explain that to you, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Where have I heard phrases like that so much the last couple years? Oh, right...

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Perhaps I need to serve papers to someone, maybe I need to question an individual, you name it. Would not knowing the exact border crossing and time that individual will be arriving not be useful in order to coordinate ahead of time? Would that not add an additional layer of certainty?

If the gov't wants someone that badly wouldn't they just send cops to their house/job or have CBSA stop them if they try to cross a border? What exactly is apparently serious enough that you need to coordinate (?) something but isn't serious enough to do anything about until they try to cross a border or to have CBSA detain them until whoever wants them shows up?

[Vancouver240sx]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Let me know if CBSA decides to scrutinize the fact that you utilized a different crossing in which you declared within the app itself. I'd be happy to be totally wrong and it ends up being a totally benign experience, but try it out.

Drove down last Saturday (5 min wait at peace arch) and came back Sunday (20 mins wait). On the way I let my GF use my phone to complete the arrivecan info for the both of us.

She didn't realize my information wouldn't auto populate and only put in her information. When we got to the officer he had the info on her and was really cool saying he could just use that to input mine. Took an extra 10 seconds and we were cleared.

I can understand the concern about ever creeping data collection the government is subjecting us to. However this one seems so redundant when you have to travel with your passport, they have all your data from your license plate etc etc etc already.

Anyways, it wasnt a big deal... oh and they didn't ask for proof of vaccination on entering the US.

Rich

[Hondaracer]

If it’s redundant and we already have passports, why the app?

Anyone arguing for it, I’d love to hear a compelling argument to keep it.

[StylinRed]

Stepping stone theory

Before ya know it you're fukd cuz you kept ignoring each step and by then you can't reverse unless it's a major movement

How fkd? Who knows? why would ya want to find out

[68style]

It’s pretty stupid anyway like I go to PR for 20 minutes I’m basically guessing the lineup lengths before I go? I think once in like 15 tries I was even within 5 minutes of when I said I was returning.

Everyone gotta pull into that ReMax parking lot to fill the silly app out before joining the line. Saw some n00b bitches in an X5 get absolutely ventilated by the CBSA guy when I was waking back the other day because they didn’t fill it out. He wasn’t a fan of walk overs kept taking cars instead of foot people and then sent me in to pay tax (almost never happens) and those girls had their trunk open trying to explain that all these purses in the back were already there from before lol

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by underscore

Where have I heard phrases like that so much the last couple years? Oh, right...



If the gov't wants someone that badly wouldn't they just send cops to their house/job or have CBSA stop them if they try to cross a border? What exactly is apparently serious enough that you need to coordinate (?) something but isn't serious enough to do anything about until they try to cross a border or to have CBSA detain them until whoever wants them shows up?

What are you on about man? Explain to me why you think utilizing this app is a good thing at this point? All my positions are simply "What ifs". Why should I have to report when and where I will be crossing the border ahead of time? Let's break this down for a second here.

-Returning PCR tests are no longer required.
-My vaccination status is tied to my PHN, along with my passport via my already uploaded documents into the ArriveCan app. All are linked.

Given the above information is true, why do you suppose vaccinated travelers still need to utilize the ArriveCan app then? Why do you think that's a good thing? Why is that information necessary?

Test my example out, enter your returning port of crossing to one different then what you utilize on the way home. If you are even slightly scrutinized by CBSA as a result, you should be angry about that. As a citizen you can utilize any border crossing you want, I shouldn't have to report back to my government where, and when I'll be coming back through the country ahead of time. If I decide to change my port of entry, I shouldn't have to update an app to reflect that either.

[SkinnyPupp]

Knowing that vaccine status/covid positive status is not tied directly to your passport in an easy way (because people were getting stuck in quarantine even having been vaccinated), what do people suppose is the reason they started making land travelers use the app?

[sdubfid]

“A Health Ministry bulletin says the weekly reports will focus on identifying meaningful changes in key COVID-19 measurements and trends over time.

It also says that reporting on deaths is changing to count all deaths that occurred within 30 days of the person’s positive lab result, regardless of whether the underlying cause of death was found to be linked to COVID-19.”

Why would the government even bother releasing this information? They are changing the reporting to give themselves even less credibility. If I understand this correctly you test positive for COVID and are sat on by an elephant within 30 days then your death is reported in the COVID stats?

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Knowing that vaccine status/covid positive status is not tied directly to your passport in an easy way (because people were getting stuck in quarantine even having been vaccinated), what do people suppose is the reason they started making land travelers use the app?

Yea cause it’s not like we have the federal passport which is the one you show pretty much everywhere like at airports etc.

Also the positive/negative status has never been linked to any app, any body thay is involved in the border or travel.

Boarding a plane to leave Canada, you are showing the passport and nothing else.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Yea cause it’s not like we have the federal passport which is the one you show pretty much everywhere like at airports etc.

Also the positive/negative status has never been linked to any app, any body thay is involved in the border or travel.

Boarding a plane to leave Canada, you are showing the passport and nothing else.

The passport doesn't carry vaccine status, the app does... So I wonder why they want travelers to use the app, other than to verify vaccine status?

[underscore]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

What are you on about man? Explain to me why you think utilizing this app is a good thing at this point?

What are you on about? I never said I was for or against it. I'm saying that the reason you're giving for not liking the app makes no sense.

Originally Posted by mikemhg

All my positions are simply "What ifs". Why should I have to report when and where I will be crossing the border ahead of time? Let's break this down for a second here.

So you don't actually have a scenario in mind, you're just paranoid the gov't will do *something* nefarious with it? So the reason you're telling me you "shouldn't have to explain it" is because you don't have any clue either? Got it.

[SkinnyPupp]

I just saw the Nexus Pass thread got bumped when I came back, and found it interesting that people are more than happy to use that, and it's WAY more intrusive than using an app. They look into many parts of your life, and put you under scrutiny whenever you use it.

But it's not an app so it's fine? I still dont' know what the problem with the app is.

Also found it funny to hear some people got arrested here where we have a similar app.. As government employees they had to sign in at work with it, but they would use a fake app instead for some reason... I presume the government already knows when they're coming and going for work every day at their government job, but I guess because it's an app it's a huge problem?

[SkinnyPupp]

This is why HK didn't go ahead with lockdowns, as much as china wanted them to:

Twitter

Notice the first thing the guy says when he knows he's gone past the point of no return

[Hondaracer]

Couldn’t happen to a better country. Enjoy

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

The passport doesn't carry vaccine status, the app does... So I wonder why they want travelers to use the app, other than to verify vaccine status?

As a said before in ArriveCan you already upload your passport information, along with vaccination status.

Therefore your vaccination status and passport are already linked from a data perspective.

If one has already satisfied the above requirements, why are we still forced to utilize an app that requires advance notice of where, when, and how you're entering back into the country?

I've never represented myself as some person mistrustful of the government, however I do believe if this process remains intact for the future, that is a gross overreach.

If in a few months the Federal government decides to scrap its usage entirely, all good, no problem at all. If not, I see that as a real problem, and I'm not the only one.

https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/...g-process.html

Either way, when I'm back from my trip and do a quick border run, I'll test my scenario and report back. If I'm given a hard time or scrutinized by utilizing a different border crossing than what is reported within the app itself, that's an issue to me.

[SkinnyPupp]

What's wrong with just updating the app to show the correct border you'll be crossing? No internet service?

[MG1]

I love the ArriveCAN app. 72 hours before, I put in rough times of arrival.

They don't hold you to the time or location. I put in Aldergrove crossing at 5:00 pm for this past Wednesday. I came back at around 3:00 pm. When I got to the Aldergrove crossing there was a reported 25 minute lineup. I checked the WSDOT app and it showed a 5 minute lineup at 176th crossing. I saw the lineup at Aldergrove was more than 25 minutes. More like 40 minutes. As soon as I saw the backup, I took a 180 and went down H Street to 176th. I crossed in less than 5 minutes. I waved my Enhanced Driver's License and all pertinent info was sent to the booth. I think it's the only crossing back into Canada that has a working scanner. Actually, Aldergrove has a working scanner.


I was told many times by border guards that location is not an issue. In fact, they don't get that information at the booth. Not sure about the time, but I'm sure as long as it's on the same day, it's all good.


I do have my passport in a car safe, just in case the Enhanced Driver's License doesn't work.

[hud 91gt]

What’s an enhanced drivers license?

[68style]

Originally Posted by hud 91gt

What’s an enhanced drivers license?

You could pay extra to have land crossing ability at the border with your DL… I think they have cancelled that within the last couple years though. I was offered it when I renewed 5 years ago but not last month when I renewed again.

[donk.]

Originally Posted by MG1

I love the ArriveCAN app.

How much did the government pay you to advertise on RS