Now if only parents would tell their screaming kid to stop kicking the back of my seat and the big fat guy next to me taking up all my arm room would lose some weight we'd live in a pretty selfless, considerate world!

Most people will wear the mask on a plane until they don't have to anymore, and will then take them off. If people feel unsafe after the then they should really take it up with the airline instead of expecting people to just keep wearing them to make them feel comfortable.

My mother in law is a covid blowhard and masks up everywhere and even she was like "planes are the safest place to be, the filtering is top notch, masks are not needed". And she just came back from Thailand. So yea, these safety protocols can be looked at as beyond useless at this point yet Skinny is like if you don't believe in safety you are a denier. Like fuuuuuuuck, serious? That's your takeaway from Honda's post. Others are like "think of the children!!" Holy fuck, really? Lovin' these rocks people are choosing to die on. I guess the gov hates children now if they are considering removing mask mandates on planes. Fucking people praising the gov for saving the world with safety protocols but now that the gov are considering lifting restrictions (you know, for scientific reasons) people are nervous? Pretty picky choosey gov trust level if you ask me. Choose you own adventure I suppose. And I even respect the right for people to wear masks or not; choice is key. But don't think you're high and mighty with your mask on looking at maskless others like they are part of the problem and putting children in harms way. That's just ridiculous. If the gov says drop the mask and you're still wearing a mask you are not "doing your part" anymore. There is no more doing your part because the gov has deemed that there is no part to play anymore. Simple.

This thread is going to get even more comical, and I'm ready for it :Popcorn

We're 100% heading into this meme with some of you

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When you cant even make a compelling argument for your reasoning lol.. much like the arrivevan app, no one could explain why it should be kept in place, just that it should be? which is really weird..

here's from the Canadian govts. website regarding Covid transmission on airlines:

https://tc.canada.ca/en/binder/risk-...board-aircraft

None of these quotes are prefaced by the use of masks:

https://tc.canada.ca/sites/default/f...06/risk-en.png

Of course no one actually bothered to look any of this up prior to just having this emotional reaction of wurrr yurrrr maskkkkk!

Seems to be like a plane is among the safest places you could possibly be without a mask.. but hey, your emotional reaction is definitely making me reconsider logical reasoning

Speaking from experience of my 4 year old having Covid where he barely had a symptom let alone an after effect, I'd say that family really has nothing to worry about. If they choose not to fly because others on the plane aren't wearing masks, then that's their own problem.

Sorry, the best you're going to get is
So forget it

Great rebuttal of information straight from the govt. you’re doing great :toot:

That was not a rebuttal of information, I already said I'm not going to argue about it.

Why? There's absolutely nothing we can do as individuals that can affect either outcomes of these. At least with COVID there's some semblance of control whether you choose to wear a mask or not/go out or stay home, etc.

What are you going to do, kick down the doors and the BoC and yell at them to raise rates? Go become a mercenary and fight in Ukraine? :lol

In my (what I think to be 'normal') network, hearing stories of many testing Covid positive ... most have 1 or 2 bad days and are back in about 4-5.

Much, or at least a good chunk of inflation is supply chain and war induced. The reason being all the extra limitations that Covid policies and supply chain disruption that the war brought (having to source materials from elsewhere).

Assuming we start working on policies to prioritize/ease supply chain bottlenecks, we can lower the price of many life essential products, and therefore lowering the inflation when comparing the same basket of goods and services.

A truck bringing produces from southern neighbors have jumped multi fold. All that costs would need to be passed onto consumers one way or the other. You lower that, you reduce the upward pressure of prices. But turd is too busy figuring out where to hand out more money.

A good chunk of inflation is the highest corporate profits in history, but we wouldn’t dare do something about that.

And how do you suggest we impact the supply chain in our daily lives? Buy less? Bitch I've been doing that all my life. Whereas with COVID if you pay attention to case rates/hospitilzation and variants you can make personal risk assessments by the day. Hurr durr TuRd TrUdoPe! you sound like the Trucker convoy. :chairdance:

Personal risk assessments are the key words here. It's changed from "listen to public health orders!" to "oh just cause public health orders changed you're going to stop wearing a mask you selfish asshole?"

If you watch the replay of me reading this post, you can pinpoint the exact moment my heart broke:

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Interesting debate y'all are having lol. I can say for sure, the last flight I was on I had the air blowing directly on my face because it was way too hot in that cabin. I was sick for about 3 weeks after that. I almost never get sick. Short flight from San Diego to Vancouver and I was completely fine before getting on board. I absolutely will wear a mask on flights going forward.

Ventilation in the airplanes is said to be good (as illustrated above) and if that truly is the case, that means eating your meals and having your drinks should be relatively safe. Obviously if it's a short flight and you can manage without food/drink that's better but on a long haul flight (ie YVR to HK ~11 hours) you're going to have to eat at some point.

It's quite similar to how people don't understand why sitting down in a restaurant mask-less was allowed but when you get up you're supposed to wear your mask. Quite simply put, it's just a matter of being stationary vs being in motion. We're talking about droplets which pass between people a lot easier with movement. If you're sitting down to eat and your servers are all masked up, risk is mitigated because you're only really exposed to the party at your table. So if you're vaccinated and in good health, your risk is low. Omicron made things worse with it's ability to aerosolize but at the same time, at least it was a lot less severe than it's predecessors.

Changing consumption would be a demand modification. By lowering supply induced inflation, we need to target those point of bottleneck on supply chain (mainly logistics). Mainly making logistic cheaper and easier. Then the pressure would be lowered. Right now there’s bidding war going on for available trucks. We should introduce policies to make transportation cheaper and faster.

Many things can be done in the form of government mandate. It’s just they decided not to do it.

Epidemiologist blog I follow talks about masks and planes this week. Backed up with studies and literature reviews. It's a good read.

Tldr: airplane filters don't run during boarding/taxiing.
People move throughout the plane, and filters help with aerosols but not the bigger droplets.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...sion-on-planes

I'm amazed you continue to waste your time arguing with these people lol. You're trying to convince the guy who posts fear porn and previously stated in this thread that China was handling the pandemic the best, and that people should consider moving there because they were going to come out on top. Straight out of the Tribal Political Hypocrite Handbook when people like this get backed into a corner with facts, logic, and reason they just resort to name calling - like calling you a COVID Denier when you stated absolutely nothing relevant to that. Ignoring the relevant information that proves their stance wrong and saying they're not interested in debating anymore is Step 2. They don't want to be seen as wrong, ever.

I just flew back from the US without a mask on. Guess I'll add Covid Denier to my list that includes Anti-Vaxxer and Racist :awwyeah:

Oh and all my (and my entire groups) vaccination status and ArriveCan crap was barely glanced over, not one QR code scanned, you could photoshop it all and none of it would matter. Twice they just asked if I had it and didn't care to see it. Neither CBSA or USCBP asked for it and the airlines and airports are paying complete lip-service to it all. All the travel, vaccination, and mask mandates for gen-pop should be long long gone and it's pure political theatre keeping them in place.

According to numerous articles like this one:

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the...ff-11617800215

Air is still run through and cycled either through the APU or ground powered units, as well:

Westjet scanned my ArriveCAN QR code when I checked in for my flight at LAx last night. I was gonna fill it in after security but they required it at check-in.

Good info there. With gas prices what they are I wonder how long airlines will switch back to save on costs.

I’m sure globally they are 100% not all doing it. But I’d think North American carriers would be

Everyone here talking about how hvac systems are keeping covid out of the air

Hold my beer while i go change 25 filters in an air handling unit, that have been harvesting covid for 3 months - 2 years, of several hundred people

Heavy breathing :megusta:

People keep saying no one checks ArriveCAN.

But the submission is linked to your Passport so once your passport is swiped all that info should already be there for the immigration agent to see, right?

Where’s all the middle ground people? This threads deteriorating fast