coronavirus discussion

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by Gumby

Here is a good example of someone being selfless and considerate of others.

Now if only parents would tell their screaming kid to stop kicking the back of my seat and the big fat guy next to me taking up all my arm room would lose some weight we'd live in a pretty selfless, considerate world!

Most people will wear the mask on a plane until they don't have to anymore, and will then take them off. If people feel unsafe after the then they should really take it up with the airline instead of expecting people to just keep wearing them to make them feel comfortable.

[white rocket]

My mother in law is a covid blowhard and masks up everywhere and even she was like "planes are the safest place to be, the filtering is top notch, masks are not needed". And she just came back from Thailand. So yea, these safety protocols can be looked at as beyond useless at this point yet Skinny is like if you don't believe in safety you are a denier. Like fuuuuuuuck, serious? That's your takeaway from Honda's post. Others are like "think of the children!!" Holy fuck, really? Lovin' these rocks people are choosing to die on. I guess the gov hates children now if they are considering removing mask mandates on planes. Fucking people praising the gov for saving the world with safety protocols but now that the gov are considering lifting restrictions (you know, for scientific reasons) people are nervous? Pretty picky choosey gov trust level if you ask me. Choose you own adventure I suppose. And I even respect the right for people to wear masks or not; choice is key. But don't think you're high and mighty with your mask on looking at maskless others like they are part of the problem and putting children in harms way. That's just ridiculous. If the gov says drop the mask and you're still wearing a mask you are not "doing your part" anymore. There is no more doing your part because the gov has deemed that there is no part to play anymore. Simple.

This thread is going to get even more comical, and I'm ready for it

[Hondaracer]

We're 100% heading into this meme with some of you



When you cant even make a compelling argument for your reasoning lol.. much like the arrivevan app, no one could explain why it should be kept in place, just that it should be? which is really weird..

here's from the Canadian govts. website regarding Covid transmission on airlines:

https://tc.canada.ca/en/binder/risk-...board-aircraft

None of these quotes are prefaced by the use of masks:

IATA press release stated: “The risk of a passenger contracting COVID-19 while onboard appears very low. With only 44 identified potential cases of flight-related transmission among 1.2 billion travelers, that’s one case for every 27 million travelers. We recognize that this may be an underestimate but even if 90% of the cases were un-reported, it would be one case for every 2.7 million travelers.”

A recent study conducted by Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for the United States Transport Command (TRANSCOM) investigated aerosol dispersion aboard Boeing 767/777 aircraft

Reported findings include: 99.7% reduction of from aerosolized exposure in nearby seat with the highest measured exposure level

Average of 99.99% reduction from aerosolized exposure across the approximately 40 other seats nearby the simulated infected passenger

“Transmission model calculations with a 4,000 viruses/hour shedding rate and 1,000 virus infectious dose show a minimum 54 flight hours required to produce inflight infection from aerosol transmission.”

Air exchange rate in modern jet airliners is much higher than a typical home and even higher than recommended design specifications for modern hospital operating and patient isolation rooms.

Air filtration in many modern jet airliners uses highly effective HEPA filters.

Of course no one actually bothered to look any of this up prior to just having this emotional reaction of wurrr yurrrr maskkkkk!

Seems to be like a plane is among the safest places you could possibly be without a mask.. but hey, your emotional reaction is definitely making me reconsider logical reasoning

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Gumby

What about a young family with kids under 5?

Speaking from experience of my 4 year old having Covid where he barely had a symptom let alone an after effect, I'd say that family really has nothing to worry about. If they choose not to fly because others on the plane aren't wearing masks, then that's their own problem.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by white rocket

This thread is going to get even more comical, and I'm ready for it

Sorry, the best you're going to get is

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Of course no one actually bothered to look any of this up prior to just having this emotional reaction of wurrr yurrrr maskkkkk!

So forget it

[Hondaracer]

Great rebuttal of information straight from the govt. you’re doing great

[SkinnyPupp]

That was not a rebuttal of information, I already said I'm not going to argue about it.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Hehe

To be frank... there are more people around me whose households had at least 1 covid case than those who never got it. And among those who claim they never had it... many had symptoms but never had the gut to go out and get tested. So, that claim of being a covid virgin is suspicious at best.

With Omicron being dominant and yet less virulent than the other variant prior, I think it's time for some adjustments to our life and policies.

Yes, it transmits like crazy, and yes it can kill and yes, it can wreak havoc in a community that's otherwise safe from other transmissible viruses.

However, if you are in a society where the vast majority is double/triple vaccinated, or young and healthy, I really see little sense to be too overly scared of the virus.

It's not about being a virus denier or whatever... I'm just saying that at this point, I won't say or even think much if I see a person not wearing mask/keeping social distance. Same thing toward those who do.

I still wear masks and keep social distance whenever I can as a courtesy to others, but I'm past the point where I still see Covid as a serious threat. There are more important issues that deserve our attention now... like the war/humanitarian crisis going on in Ukraine, crazy high inflation... etc.

Why? There's absolutely nothing we can do as individuals that can affect either outcomes of these. At least with COVID there's some semblance of control whether you choose to wear a mask or not/go out or stay home, etc.

What are you going to do, kick down the doors and the BoC and yell at them to raise rates? Go become a mercenary and fight in Ukraine?

[whitev70r]

In my (what I think to be 'normal') network, hearing stories of many testing Covid positive ... most have 1 or 2 bad days and are back in about 4-5.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Why? There's absolutely nothing we can do as individuals that can affect either outcomes of these. At least with COVID there's some semblance of control whether you choose to wear a mask or not/go out or stay home, etc.

What are you going to do, kick down the doors and the BoC and yell at them to raise rates? Go become a mercenary and fight in Ukraine?

Much, or at least a good chunk of inflation is supply chain and war induced. The reason being all the extra limitations that Covid policies and supply chain disruption that the war brought (having to source materials from elsewhere).

Assuming we start working on policies to prioritize/ease supply chain bottlenecks, we can lower the price of many life essential products, and therefore lowering the inflation when comparing the same basket of goods and services.

A truck bringing produces from southern neighbors have jumped multi fold. All that costs would need to be passed onto consumers one way or the other. You lower that, you reduce the upward pressure of prices. But turd is too busy figuring out where to hand out more money.

[westopher]

A good chunk of inflation is the highest corporate profits in history, but we wouldn’t dare do something about that.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Much, or at least a good chunk of inflation is supply chain and war induced. The reason being all the extra limitations that Covid policies and supply chain disruption that the war brought (having to source materials from elsewhere).

Assuming we start working on policies to prioritize/ease supply chain bottlenecks, we can lower the price of many life essential products, and therefore lowering the inflation when comparing the same basket of goods and services.

A truck bringing produces from southern neighbors have jumped multi fold. All that costs would need to be passed onto consumers one way or the other. You lower that, you reduce the upward pressure of prices. But turd is too busy figuring out where to hand out more money.

And how do you suggest we impact the supply chain in our daily lives? Buy less? Bitch I've been doing that all my life. Whereas with COVID if you pay attention to case rates/hospitilzation and variants you can make personal risk assessments by the day. Hurr durr TuRd TrUdoPe! you sound like the Trucker convoy.

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Whereas with COVID if you pay attention to case rates/hospitilzation and variants you can make personal risk assessments by the day.

Personal risk assessments are the key words here. It's changed from "listen to public health orders!" to "oh just cause public health orders changed you're going to stop wearing a mask you selfish asshole?"

[68style]

Originally Posted by 320icar

But he’s actually a total prick, so it all evens out

If you watch the replay of me reading this post, you can pinpoint the exact moment my heart broke:

[spoon.ek9]

Interesting debate y'all are having lol. I can say for sure, the last flight I was on I had the air blowing directly on my face because it was way too hot in that cabin. I was sick for about 3 weeks after that. I almost never get sick. Short flight from San Diego to Vancouver and I was completely fine before getting on board. I absolutely will wear a mask on flights going forward.

Ventilation in the airplanes is said to be good (as illustrated above) and if that truly is the case, that means eating your meals and having your drinks should be relatively safe. Obviously if it's a short flight and you can manage without food/drink that's better but on a long haul flight (ie YVR to HK ~11 hours) you're going to have to eat at some point.

It's quite similar to how people don't understand why sitting down in a restaurant mask-less was allowed but when you get up you're supposed to wear your mask. Quite simply put, it's just a matter of being stationary vs being in motion. We're talking about droplets which pass between people a lot easier with movement. If you're sitting down to eat and your servers are all masked up, risk is mitigated because you're only really exposed to the party at your table. So if you're vaccinated and in good health, your risk is low. Omicron made things worse with it's ability to aerosolize but at the same time, at least it was a lot less severe than it's predecessors.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

And how do you suggest we impact the supply chain in our daily lives? Buy less? Bitch I've been doing that all my life. Whereas with COVID if you pay attention to case rates/hospitilzation and variants you can make personal risk assessments by the day. Hurr durr TuRd TrUdoPe! you sound like the Trucker convoy.

Changing consumption would be a demand modification. By lowering supply induced inflation, we need to target those point of bottleneck on supply chain (mainly logistics). Mainly making logistic cheaper and easier. Then the pressure would be lowered. Right now there’s bidding war going on for available trucks. We should introduce policies to make transportation cheaper and faster.

Many things can be done in the form of government mandate. It’s just they decided not to do it.

[Mikoyan]

Epidemiologist blog I follow talks about masks and planes this week. Backed up with studies and literature reviews. It's a good read.

Tldr: airplane filters don't run during boarding/taxiing.
People move throughout the plane, and filters help with aerosols but not the bigger droplets.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...sion-on-planes

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Great rebuttal of information straight from the govt. you’re doing great

I'm amazed you continue to waste your time arguing with these people lol. You're trying to convince the guy who posts fear porn and previously stated in this thread that China was handling the pandemic the best, and that people should consider moving there because they were going to come out on top. Straight out of the Tribal Political Hypocrite Handbook when people like this get backed into a corner with facts, logic, and reason they just resort to name calling - like calling you a COVID Denier when you stated absolutely nothing relevant to that. Ignoring the relevant information that proves their stance wrong and saying they're not interested in debating anymore is Step 2. They don't want to be seen as wrong, ever.

I just flew back from the US without a mask on. Guess I'll add Covid Denier to my list that includes Anti-Vaxxer and Racist

Oh and all my (and my entire groups) vaccination status and ArriveCan crap was barely glanced over, not one QR code scanned, you could photoshop it all and none of it would matter. Twice they just asked if I had it and didn't care to see it. Neither CBSA or USCBP asked for it and the airlines and airports are paying complete lip-service to it all. All the travel, vaccination, and mask mandates for gen-pop should be long long gone and it's pure political theatre keeping them in place.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Mikoyan

Epidemiologist blog I follow talks about masks and planes this week. Backed up with studies and literature reviews. It's a good read.

Tldr: airplane filters don't run during boarding/taxiing.
People move throughout the plane, and filters help with aerosols but not the bigger droplets.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...sion-on-planes

According to numerous articles like this one:

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the...ff-11617800215

Air is still run through and cycled either through the APU or ground powered units, as well:

Near the start of the pandemic Boeing issued an advisory to airlines to use onboard APU power to run ventilation at full strength on the ground to avoid stretches of no airflow. Pre-pandemic, airlines typically used ground air to save the expense of burning jet fuel to run the APU.

[68style]

Westjet scanned my ArriveCAN QR code when I checked in for my flight at LAx last night. I was gonna fill it in after security but they required it at check-in.

[Mikoyan]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

According to numerous articles like this one:

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the...ff-11617800215

Air is still run through and cycled either through the APU or ground powered units, as well:

Good info there. With gas prices what they are I wonder how long airlines will switch back to save on costs.

[Hondaracer]

I’m sure globally they are 100% not all doing it. But I’d think North American carriers would be

[donk.]

Everyone here talking about how hvac systems are keeping covid out of the air

Hold my beer while i go change 25 filters in an air handling unit, that have been harvesting covid for 3 months - 2 years, of several hundred people

Heavy breathing

[CivicBlues]

People keep saying no one checks ArriveCAN.

But the submission is linked to your Passport so once your passport is swiped all that info should already be there for the immigration agent to see, right?

[320icar]

Where’s all the middle ground people? This threads deteriorating fast