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Originally Posted by welfare Are those safeguards going to stop someone who works there?
And does it need to kill 80000 people before you find it dangerous? What about 30? 20? 15?
The point is we live in a world largely based on trust. There is absolutely no law that is going to prevent an average Joe, who isn't on anyone's radar, from carrying out what he wills himself to do. Regardless of how prohibitive your laws are, the police will always be there after the fact because up until that point, he was a law abiding citizen.
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You think a single person is going to be able to poison drinking water? Water treatment plants have sensors and multiple redundantces in place. You would also have to put in a substantial amount of e.coli into the water system to kill someone. An amount you could not Carry in a back pack.
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05-01-2020, 08:08 AM
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#129 | | I have named my kids VIC and VLS
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Originally Posted by kr4l As a gun owner who recently purchased one of the guns on the ban list, I could care less if they they it back as long as they pay me what I purchased it for.
BUT, to think this makes our country any safer from gun violence is laughable | you almost certainly will not get the value you paid for said gun, even if you had everything in order down to receipts and statements etc. Paying full value is not in the libs plan.
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05-01-2020, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer you almost certainly will not get the value you paid for said gun, even if you had everything in order down to receipts and statements etc. Paying full value is not in the libs plan. | That would be like ICBC paying you the MSRP for your 10-year-old car that got totaled.
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05-01-2020, 08:30 AM
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#131 | | I have named my kids VIC and VLS
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Originally Posted by Manic! That would be like ICBC paying you the MSRP for your 10-year-old car that got totaled. | Unlike vehicles firearms actually tend to retain their value very well. In some cases like higher end over/under shotguns, rifles, and hand guns, many actually go up over time
Why would anyone in their right mind turn in a gun to get pennies on the dollar when no one knows they have it?
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05-01-2020, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Manic! You think a single person is going to be able to poison drinking water? Water treatment plants have sensors and multiple redundantces in place. You would also have to put in a substantial amount of e.coli into the water system to kill someone. An amount you could not Carry in a back pack. | You keep focusing on e.coli. Just like all of your arguments, you take one fragment, single it out, and act as if that's definitive.
There are probably half a dozen other home brews i could think of just off the top of my head. And equally as many ways to administer them. And that's without even thinking about it.
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Is there a full list yet of the guns the government just took from us?
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Originally Posted by welfare You keep focusing on e.coli. Just like all of your arguments, you take one fragment, single it out, and act as if that's definitive.
There are probably half a dozen other home brews i could think of just off the top of my head. And equally as many ways to administer them. And that's without even thinking about it. | Then list them. I think you have been watching too many movies.
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05-01-2020, 09:03 AM
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So in the press release the say they estimate there are 11,500 of these guns in Canada: https://www.cabelas.ca/product/10748...utomatic-rifle
How would they know? It’s unrestricted, there’s no paper trail on sales, there’s -zero- tracking of these guns. Typical.
Also to think this is banned: 
But this isn’t: 
Shows how out of touch they are.
One is metal though so it’s wayyyy scarier.
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05-01-2020, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Manic! Then list them. I think you have been watching too many movies. | Ricin
E.coli
Potato poison
Cyanide
Again, just off the top of my head.
Not exactly the predominant choice of weapon for movies. Guns on the other hand 
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Most mass shooters aren't basement chemists. There's a reason we see more mass shootings and less Timothy McVeighs. Stop giving mass shooters so much damn credit, the majority are fucking dumb and these are the people we want to stop.
Sorry guys, dumb people are the cause of so many rules that we have to follow, it's not limited to just guns.
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Originally Posted by welfare Ricin
E.coli
Potato poison
Cyanide
Again, just off the top of my head.
Not exactly the predominant choice of weapon for movies. Guns on the other hand |
Are you serious?
Here is a list of ricin attacks. It doesn't work that well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nvolving_ricin
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Are we really having a multi page discussion on theoretical ways to poison the water supply/kill mass numbers of people?
I mean, unless you really want to get on a doc with CSIS I really see no point to this back and forth.
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05-01-2020, 09:30 AM
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I’m no fan of guns and think it’s a stupid hobby (and am aware many people also think my hobbies are stupid) but even I can say the list I saw is poorly researched and doesn’t have much expertise contributed to it. It’s like they just decided certain names of guns sound scary and put them on.
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05-01-2020, 09:35 AM
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If they are in fact wanting people to hand in certain types of guns they should at least step up and pay people what they are worth. It's absurd to expect people who bought something legally to give it back and not be properly compensated for it.
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Yah if anything it should be grandfathered like strata rules when they change... you already own one cool just no new sales or whatever
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I realize guns are “scary” and kill people. However, for a collector or enthusiast I don’t really see how it’s any different than collecting watches or any other frivolous hobby
There’s actually a fair bit of mechanical beauty and machining in higher end stuff and some of the higher end shotguns and handguns are virtually peices of art in their own right.
I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo 
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Originally Posted by MarkyMark If they are in fact wanting people to hand in certain types of guns they should at least step up and pay people what they are worth. It's absurd to expect people who bought something legally to give it back and not be properly compensated for it. | Not only that but what about all the furniture I bought for my gun that is now useless? Even though I'd be sad, if I can get fair compensation for all the stuff I bought then fine whatever, at least I can use the same money and buy something else but if you're giving me less than what I paid for the gun and then all the furniture is now worthless that doesn't sit very well, not like any of this sits well anyway.
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Originally Posted by 68style I’m no fan of guns and think it’s a stupid hobby (and am aware many people also think my hobbies are stupid) but even I can say the list I saw is poorly researched and doesn’t have much expertise contributed to it. It’s like they just decided certain names of guns sound scary and put them on. | Where's the list? I can find articles saying it's effective today but nowhere do they have it. Putting the debate of the ban itself aside it's odd to tell people they can't use anything on a list that you haven't given them. Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondaracer I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo | Clearly you haven't seen From Russia With Love.
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer I realize guns are “scary” and kill people. However, for a collector or enthusiast I don’t really see how it’s any different than collecting watches or any other frivolous hobby
There’s actually a fair bit of mechanical beauty and machining in higher end stuff and some of the higher end shotguns and handguns are virtually peices of art in their own right.
I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo
| Basically because dumb people with watches don't harm anyone, and their primary function isn't to kill people. All these dangerous things people list like cars, knives etc. Their primary function is for something else, and we need them in our day to day lives. A gun doesn't fit that category. The only purpose they serve is to kill, and some people like to shoot them as a hobby. That's all they are good for.
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Originally Posted by blkgsr Is there a full list yet of the guns the government just took from us? | Banned list
Best I can find!
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Also the fact that they are “illegal to trade” yet continue to be legal to own is pretty funny
So a govt. that has no idea who has what is going to stop the trade of these guns between people who have no obligation to disclose a transaction nor does anyone have to report they have them or prove they owned them prior to the ban, well done. Another fine piece of legislation.
Personally I’d probably never risk it from a random in case it was some sort of sting operation but I’d be more than willing to buy one of these guns from a friend or trusted source
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer I realize guns are “scary” and kill people. However, for a collector or enthusiast I don’t really see how it’s any different than collecting watches or any other frivolous hobby
There’s actually a fair bit of mechanical beauty and machining in higher end stuff and some of the higher end shotguns and handguns are virtually peices of art in their own right.
I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo | If all your going to do is hang them on the wall just make them so they don't fire. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by 68style Are we really having a multi page discussion on theoretical ways to poison the water supply/kill mass numbers of people?
I mean, unless you really want to get on a doc with CSIS I really see no point to this back and forth. | Well when certain members make it a point to pick and choose minor technicalities out of a broad statement, while intentionally glossing over the bigger meaning, these discussions tend to drag on.
About the only argument I've seen on gun control that has validity is the basis that less legal guns equals less illegal guns. Of course that penalizes those that ought not be penalized.
And unfortunately when 75% of our illegal guns come from across the border, stricter laws against Canadian gun owners will have very little effect.
It's much more efficient to focus on apprehension of illegal guns from criminals.
Honest question: has this government proposed or passed any legislation that focuses on the use of illegal firearms or those in possession of illegal firearms since they've been in power?
Mandatory sentencing, stiffer penalties, etc..?
Legitimately curious.
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