A sad day for Honda fans

[Akinari]

Originally Posted by underscore

BUT WE JUST GOT IT.

The only thing people are getting from an SUV is a bigger trunk so why can we not at least get cars like the 1st gen Mazda 3 hatch and the Matrix with a hatch that's nearly vertical and not at a 45* angle like a lot of more compact hatches? Then you get the extra storage without having to waste fuel in some high riding vehicle that still has low ground clearance. Especially since cars are getting bigger the smaller SUVs are just a pointlessly high wagon..

You've got it backwards, at least from my perspective and from conversations I've had with non-car guys who own small crossovers.

Non-car people generally don't care as much about having a ton of cargo space as you'd think. It's the fact that, higher-riding cars give you this false sense of "safety" and a "commanding" view of the road. It's the whole, you're riding on top of the car vs riding in the car thing, it's totally opposite from what car people/enthusiasts generally care about.

In fact, many of them get for example, the CX-3 over a Mazda 3, even though the trunk of the former is smaller than the latter. Like for god's sake Mazda literally made a lifted Mazda 3 with plastic body cladding and I'm seeing so many of them on the road now, vs the new Mazda 3 which doesn't seem like it's doing too well compared to the previous generations. People like driving lifted cars, that's really what it is.

That's why you keep seeing these awkwardly lifted hatchback-like crossovers from every single manufacturer around the world (CX3, CX30, HR-V, C-HR, GLA, Q3, X2/X1, etc. etc.), and they're selling like hotcakes because your mom and your aunt and her daughter and her daughter's 10 girlfriends and their non-car boyfriends all like these "safe" crossovers.

[!LittleDragon]

The commanding view of the road is no more now that everyone else has SUV's...

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by Akinari

You've got it backwards, at least from my perspective and from conversations I've had with non-car guys who own small crossovers.

Non-car people generally don't care as much about having a ton of cargo space as you'd think. It's the fact that, higher-riding cars give you this false sense of "safety" and a "commanding" view of the road. It's the whole, you're riding on top of the car vs riding in the car thing, it's totally opposite from what car people/enthusiasts generally care about.

In fact, many of them get for example, the CX-3 over a Mazda 3, even though the trunk of the former is smaller than the latter. Like for god's sake Mazda literally made a lifted Mazda 3 with plastic body cladding and I'm seeing so many of them on the road now, vs the new Mazda 3 which doesn't seem like it's doing too well compared to the previous generations. People like driving lifted cars, that's really what it is.

That's why you keep seeing these awkwardly lifted hatchback-like crossovers from every single manufacturer around the world (CX3, CX30, HR-V, C-HR, GLA, Q3, X2/X1, etc. etc.), and they're selling like hotcakes because your mom and your aunt and her daughter and her daughter's 10 girlfriends and their non-car boyfriends all like these "safe" crossovers.

It's also cause crossovers offer AWD when many sedans don't. Every mom and aunt is convinced AWD is better for safety in the winter, even though they're still running all seasons. That kind of false sense of security is what's going to cause an accident when they realize their AWD doesn't help them stop any faster.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Akinari

You've got it backwards, at least from my perspective and from conversations I've had with non-car guys who own small crossovers.

Technically we're talking about two different things, what people get from it vs what they want from it. But I do agree that's going to be why loads of people buy them. Then they put junk all seasons on and roll it over in the winter

[dark0821]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

honestly people buying $20k new cars are better served buying used vehicles that used to be $35k+ and pocket the change

the problem is... people who are buying 20k new cars dont have money... they are going for the $200/mth finance for like 7/8 years or smth stupid.

Buying used is impractical to them due to the used car interest rates...

lol...tbh, they are probably already stretching a lil bit even at 200 a month + insurance + gas.... so buying a used 35k with unexpected maintenance + problems out of warranty...

[JDMDreams]

^^ I find this true, it's hard as hell to sell anything over $10k as ppl who has that much cash to throw around will probably buy new, and unless it's some unicorn car. It doesn't make sense to pick it up with a loan or line of credit. Or ppl shopping in that price range typically don't have access to that much credit. You see cars $10 to $20000 sit on cl for years or just eventually traded in.

[Mr.Money]

i rarely see brand new civic's on the streets,i don't know if Honda priced themselves out and people just bought cheaper eco boxes like toyota,or ended up going to the used car market first in these harder times.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by Mr.Money

i rarely see brand new civic's on the streets,i don't know if Honda priced themselves out and people just bought cheaper eco boxes like toyota,or ended up going to the used car market first in these harder times.

It's the #2 selling vehicle in Canada behind the Rav4 ... Even in 2020, they've sold 13,100 to date (which is way down but everything is way down). They sold over 60,100 Civics last year (again, #2 selling vehicle in Canada behind the Rav4).

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by Mr.Money

i rarely see brand new civic's on the streets,i don't know if Honda priced themselves out and people just bought cheaper eco boxes like toyota,or ended up going to the used car market first in these harder times.

I want to make sure we are on the same planet and ask the question on when was the Civic not an econobox? (Type R and such models excluded.)

[yray]

civics are everywhere... my old parking neighbour has like 3 civics, new too

[SkunkWorks]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

^^ I find this true, it's hard as hell to sell anything over $10k as ppl who has that much cash to throw around will probably buy new, and unless it's some unicorn car. It doesn't make sense to pick it up with a loan or line of credit. Or ppl shopping in that price range typically don't have access to that much credit. You see cars $10 to $20000 sit on cl for years or just eventually traded in.

Depends.

I had a hell of a lot more time wasters when I listed my $5k Insight vs my $60k 911.

[SkunkWorks]

Also, if anyone knows of a 6 speed 2.0T Accord in the pearl white, please send me a PM

[!Aznboi128]

Source: https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...upe-cancelled/

Manual option for the Accord I can understand, it's not a popular option, and the automatic was faster.

Civic Coupe... harder to swallow. IMO the coupe isn't the best looking, but a coupe has been in the lineup for so long, and it's quite sad to see it die off.

Fit. Honda US sold 35k fits in for 2019 and 99k of the HR-V so I can understand, but the fit lives on in other countries it's just because NA loves their "SUV" we lose the Fit to the HR-V.

[Simplex123]

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[!Aznboi128]

fuq.. merged thread

[320icar]

Originally Posted by dark0821

Buying used is impractical to them due to the used car interest rates...

A great point to bring up. Why by a certified pre-owned 2 year old mazda 3 for only ~5k less than MSRP @ 5.99%, when you can just get a brand new one for 1.99% and at the end of financing pay less overall.

[mikemhg]

I have a 2019 Civic Coupe, does that mean I should get rid of this thing ASAP? Was planning to buy out and sell it at the end of the lease term, but curious if it would be better to simply provide back to the dealership at the end of the lease term.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I have a 2019 Civic Coupe, does that mean I should get rid of this thing ASAP? Was planning to buy out and sell it at the end of the lease term, but curious if it would be better to simply provide back to the dealership at the end of the lease term.

It's still quite new. I wouldn't worry too much about it in both senses of finding parts and resell.

Usually, when a car gets discontinued, you can still get parts (brand new) decades after the fact. I.E: a Honda Prelude... which my friend has and was recently (well, late 2019, but still a good 10+ year before being discontinued) involved in a relatively minor accident, but the whole rear bumper needed to be replaced, and it was done with a brand new one.

[Akinari]

Not related to Honda, but goes back to my point of, the people who beg for manuals and make a huge fuss when they're gone, were not going to buy a new car with a manual transmission anyway. I almost feel like automakers who still put manual boxes in similar cars, are just doing it for the journalists and to get good press/PR stunt.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/07/ge...earbox-option/

Should be obvious by now, but the tiny percentage of people who buy new cars with a stick, requires the automakers making them to truly have deep pockets. If I recall from reading reviews, the manual box in the G70 was sort of half-assed as well.

[Qmx323]

Originally Posted by Akinari

You've got it backwards, at least from my perspective and from conversations I've had with non-car guys who own small crossovers.

Non-car people generally don't care as much about having a ton of cargo space as you'd think. It's the fact that, higher-riding cars give you this false sense of "safety" and a "commanding" view of the road. It's the whole, you're riding on top of the car vs riding in the car thing, it's totally opposite from what car people/enthusiasts generally care about.

In fact, many of them get for example, the CX-3 over a Mazda 3, even though the trunk of the former is smaller than the latter. Like for god's sake Mazda literally made a lifted Mazda 3 with plastic body cladding and I'm seeing so many of them on the road now, vs the new Mazda 3 which doesn't seem like it's doing too well compared to the previous generations. People like driving lifted cars, that's really what it is.

That's why you keep seeing these awkwardly lifted hatchback-like crossovers from every single manufacturer around the world (CX3, CX30, HR-V, C-HR, GLA, Q3, X2/X1, etc. etc.), and they're selling like hotcakes because your mom and your aunt and her daughter and her daughter's 10 girlfriends and their non-car boyfriends all like these "safe" crossovers.

Was a lot guy way back

Overheard the sales at an Audi dealer say

"Get the Q7. Heavier, taller, and safer. Get in accident, they die not you"

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hehe

It's still quite new. I wouldn't worry too much about it in both senses of finding parts and resell.

Usually, when a car gets discontinued, you can still get parts (brand new) decades after the fact. I.E: a Honda Prelude... which my friend has and was recently (well, late 2019, but still a good 10+ year before being discontinued) involved in a relatively minor accident, but the whole rear bumper needed to be replaced, and it was done with a brand new one.

I can confirm that Toyota has large stockpiles of parts as well. Lots of model specific stuff seems to take >20 years to run out, generic parts are still around. Jeep not so much, they've run out of some parts in under 10 years.

[jcmaz]

Mechanical and body parts should be fine for the most part because they are shared with the regular sedan and hatchback. I'd be wary on the model specific parts, such as trunk seals, rear side window, interior, etc...

It's only an issue if you plan to keep the car and drive it for the next 20 years. If you won't do that, then parts and availability won't be a problem. Enjoy your Civic

[mikemhg]

Thanks for the advise folks, what are your thoughts for resale value, though?

There's about 8 grand put down on my lease, so I'd prefer to buy it out and sell it end of lease, the car has been babied and has minimal KMs.

Would the discontinuing of the coupe be a barrier to resell? I guess that's too soon to tell, just curious if it's better to return the vehicle back to the dealership at the end of term. I'd prefer not leaving money on the table, though.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by underscore

I can confirm that Toyota has large stockpiles of parts as well. Lots of model specific stuff seems to take >20 years to run out, generic parts are still around. Jeep not so much, they've run out of some parts in under 10 years.

Confirming that my friend's parents are still getting parts/service from Toyota for their 1991 Toyota Tercel. Serviced almost exclusively at various Toyota dealerships.

[jcmaz]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Thanks for the advise folks, what are your thoughts for resale value, though?

There's about 8 grand put down on my lease, so I'd prefer to buy it out and sell it end of lease, the car has been babied and has minimal KMs.

Would the discontinuing of the coupe be a barrier to resell? I guess that's too soon to tell, just curious if it's better to return the vehicle back to the dealership at the end of term. I'd prefer not leaving money on the table, though.

I think the difference in resale value will be minimal. At the end of the day, it looks like your Civic is well taken care of. Just use it until your needs change.