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I’m trying to look at the positives of all these moves (or non-moves rather) but why couldn’t we keep a top-6 winger in Toffoli at 4.5m when we signed all those 4th line plugs at 3m last year?
I’m trying to look at the positives of all these moves (or non-moves rather) but why couldn’t we keep a top-6 winger in Toffoli at 4.5m when we signed all those 4th line plugs at 3m last year?
-Because that was the prior year
-Because Toffoli was brought in as a rental player when Boeser was injured
-Because at the time Toffoli was brought in, there was no way we could've kept him without offloading contracts anyway
-Because COVID/flat cap has changed how much players can get paid, can't really compare
Back then, the team wasn't where the team is now. Hughes has taken the team a huge step forward, more than anyone could have imagined. You couldn't have known that when you signed Beagle/Roussel in 2018 and got Sutter in 2016. All of them have contracts that end the year of, or the year after, EP and QH finish their entry level contracts.
People are so hung up on the Beagle/Roussel contracts, but even if they had been $2mil/yr instead of $3, that extra $2mil saved per year isn't a game changer. And if you had given less term, they may not have come to us. Benning specifically acquired players to teach the kids how to play the right way. He's said before that he'd rather have them learn to play right, even if it means not scoring as many points.
The bigger issue is the $6mil tied up in Loui. Not only is he eating up the cap, but he's also being scratched. So, we can't use the cap to acquire an impact player, and he can't even be utilized on the ice to help the team. But to be fair, I don't think anyone could have anticipated how big of a flop he'd be.
IMO, we weren't supposed to do this good this year, but QH and Markstrom took us to the next level. If things had gone the way it was anticipated, I think Tanev would've been traded at the deadline to get back some assets.
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I would have let Virtanen go i think... only produces when he’s in the top 6 but not actually good enough to play there.
He’s like Goldobin but bigger and faster (although less vision). Just as dumb with decision making and not hard working when it doesn’t suit him.
Jake can still be traded even after being awarded a contract in arbitration. He scored 18 goals last year and has the tools to do even better. Whether he does or not is a different question, but letting him walk for nothing is probably not so smart. Someone will be willing to trade for him.
I agree it's tough to let him walk... but I think you're overestimating his trade value. If you were reading the Athletic's articles during the playoffs the comments directed at him on the ice from other teams were basically that he's regarded as a bit of a joke player.
Letting him go would have allowed Toffoli to stay............... in essence, you're "trading" for Toffoli. I'd take that trade at this point. I don't think he's going to put it together, he's been given a longer leash than anyone I can ever remember on this team and has played what 5 seasons now? If he hasn't figured it out at this point he's never going to.
Given what has happened with Tanev and Stetcher and not landing OEL, filling the top 4 d spot is a lot more important than getting Toffoli back. Just hope Schmidt doesn't turn into a flop.
I kind of disagree, a lot of the sting of Stech leaving depends on how Juolevi comes in... I believe the 5th spot is his for the taking at this point, like he'd have to fuck up gloriously to lose it.
Assuming he is capable of it, right now we have:
Hughes / Schmidt
Edler / Myers
Juolevi / Fantenberg (assuming he re-signs) / Benn / Chatfield / Rafferty probably in that pecking order
Our scoring is really suspect though past the first line....... back in another bind where Horvat is stuck with Pearson and ??? (was Boeser, but he's going back to the first line again with Toffoli gone) and quite frankly Pearson just doesn't cut it (at least for me, you might differ).
How anyone can compare Beagle and Roussel on the same level is mind-blowing. Roussel has been one of the best even-strength performers on the team since he was signed. Beagle has played well below his cap hit and that was supposed to be the good half of it; we’re now entering the bad half. The only similarity is their contract.
I agree I have zero problem with Roussel although post injury he hasn’t been quite the same.
Beagle and Eriksson are the deathblows for me... like how do they even walk around in the dressing room without feeling the eyes from everyone “YOU two are preventing us from making the next step” hahaha
Just read Vegas HF boards, they are soo pissed they gave away a legit top4 Dman for peanuts and Canuck HF boards seem to think we just robbed them blind. Think of Ehrhoff 2.0 all over again. If Demko plays anything close to Markstrom level, and Schmidt comes as advertised. We may have come out of this Free Agency not as bad as people originally thought. As of now the only thing I'm pissed about is that we couldnt give away Sutter +sweetener so we would have the cap space to re-sign Toffoli
Just read Vegas HF boards, they are soo pissed they gave away a legit top4 Dman for peanuts and Canuck HF boards seem to think we just robbed them blind. Think of Ehrhoff 2.0 all over again. If Demko plays anything close to Markstrom level, and Schmidt comes as advertised. We may have come out of this Free Agency not as bad as people originally thought. As of now the only thing I'm pissed about is that we couldnt give away Sutter +sweetener so we would have the cap space to re-sign Toffoli
It's sad to see Tofffoli walk away and lose what we gave in the trade but I think the Canucks hands are tied. We have too much money tied up in "bad" contracts. Having the restraint from keeping Toffolli puts the Canucks in a better spot financially.
I like the Schimdt trade. Tanev was always a blocked shot/hit away from the IR. Love his play but very risky.
Overall, I like how GMJB didn't go crazy. Look at the deals he's made. Look at the current cap situation. End of the next season Edler's $6M is off the books. A few more contracts come off the books. Then one more season and a ton of $$$ come off the books including Ericcson's $6M and Luongo's $3M recapture.
I think JB is doing a cap rebuild and setting themselves up better for a few years down teh road.
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and icing on the cake, lady driving a newer chrysler 200 infront of me... jumped out of her car, dropped her pants, did an immediate squat and did probably the longest public relief ever...... steam and all.
He has a long-standing friendly relationship with the GM who has been his GM for 15 of the past 17 years.
Maybe Marleau might make a decent executive one day? Could have brought him into the management team. But I hear he's got quite the work ethic so maybe he can also mentor some of the younger players ... but still, it's a roster spot.
It's sad to see Tofffoli walk away and lose what we gave in the trade but I think the Canucks hands are tied. We have too much money tied up in "bad" contracts. Having the restraint from keeping Toffolli puts the Canucks in a better spot financially.
I like the Schimdt trade. Tanev was always a blocked shot/hit away from the IR. Love his play but very risky.
Overall, I like how GMJB didn't go crazy. Look at the deals he's made. Look at the current cap situation. End of the next season Edler's $6M is off the books. A few more contracts come off the books. Then one more season and a ton of $$$ come off the books including Ericcson's $6M and Luongo's $3M recapture.
I think JB is doing a cap rebuild and setting themselves up better for a few years down teh road.
I'm trying my best to be objective here and I think I agree. Benning has learned that he's been burned multiple times with Free Agency signings. Honestly, the plan could be to just survive next season, get rid of a bunch of contracts and go from there. If we can put up with a bad season and bounce back immediately, that could be the best for us.
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