The Official 2020/2021 Canucks & NHL Thread

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Ooooops, shit hitting the fan on this one! Holtby's first misstep. Don't shoot the messenger.

I don’t get it with this “controversy” about cultural appropriation of First Nation art.

News articles are reporting that some First Nation artists are happy that Holtby is using First Nation art forms in his mask as
Paying homage to BC.

I mean, I did not hear any Chinese Canadians criticizing the Canucks a couple of years for using red alternate Jerseys with a yellow rat design on top of a downward pointing skate during Chinese New Year as “cultural appropriation.”

Are those red Chinese New Year Canucks jersey ugly? Hell yeah. I am a CBC. Those jerseys look pretty tacky to me.

-ugly jerseys but not cultural appropriation.


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[SkinnyPupp]

Are FN people actually offended, or is it just another case of white people being offended for someone else?

[68style]

Uhm...... If they have a problem with Holtby’s mask, how have they not had a problem with the Canucks logo since 1997?

Seems BS to me

[MarkyMark]

If he just wore the mask no one would have said shit. Post it online and you're giving the green light for all the losers who have nothing else to live for to hate on it and prove how woke they are by being offended.

[whitev70r]

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/c...artist-3179933

According to Gunnarsson, it was Holtby’s idea to use the Thunderbird, one of the most powerful spirits in Northwest Indigenous myth. The Thunderbird is a common sight atop totem poles, such as the famous Thunderbird House Post totem pole in Stanley Park, a replica by carver Tony Hunt of the original by Kwakwaka’wakw artist Charlie James. In fact, that appears to be the exact Thunderbird used by Gunnarsson in his design.

In the case of the Thunderbird design, James's family has been clear in the past that they don't appreciate reproductions of his work without credit.

"My grandfather’s totem pole in Stanley Park is one of the most appropriated Indigenous designs anywhere," said Kwakwaka’wakw artist Lou-ann Neel to The Discourse in 2019. "With no acknowledgement that that’s his work... It pains me to see some of the really poor reproductions of it. It’s just troubling to see that."

[SkinnyPupp]

If it's a replica of existing work, then absolutely should have given credit

I assumed it was designed by a FN artist, then converted to mask art by the hockey guy... Kind of a missed opportunity there.

Outrageous? Not really... Malicious/stealing art? Not really... Done in a dumb, insensitive way? Probably could argue that, yeah

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

"My grandfather’s totem pole in Stanley Park is one of the most appropriated Indigenous designs anywhere," said Kwakwaka’wakw artist Lou-ann Neel to The Discourse in 2019. "With no acknowledgement that that’s his work... It pains me to see some of the really poor reproductions of it. It’s just troubling to see that."

99% of the people who saw it didn't know who made it or cared. Probably too generous with my numbers.

[68style]

I have to admit, although I think the idea of the mask is cool I thought the thunderbird was the weakest part of it because it looks a bit poorly done... looks like the scared offspring of a parrot that had sex with Sam the Eagle from the Muppets:






That said, does his family get offended by every single person who paints that part of Stanley Park or sells a photo that has that totem pole in it? Shit I'd be pretty happy if people were inspired by my work or if they wanted to draw a thunderbird on something the first thing they thought of in their mind was my thunderbird. Is it okay if the Canucks just acknowledge it was inspired by him and leave it at that? Not like they're mass producing it and making money off it...

[bobbinka]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/artwork-on-cus...izes-1.5229011

“I wanted to make sure I apologize to anyone I offended. It was definitely not my intent and I definitely learned a valuable lesson through this all and will make sure I’m better moving forward,”

Holtby said that because of the uncertainty around the start of the NHL season his mask design was rushed – and that he will not be wearing it.

“The goal was and still is to include Indigenous artist and try and pick their brain to see how they would design a mask to best represent the history and culture around this area especially because it’s so vast,” he said.

[RiceIntegraRS]

When i was the Canucks IG page when they posted the mask. I did notice that some people (mainly females, surprise surprise) were offended over the mask. Some were offended over the use of artwork, and some were offended that a Native person didnt do the artwork themselves. Like please.... this is the main reason why im slowly removing myself off social media all together

[RRxtar]

Dont hear too many people upset with any of millers masks so I'm assuming this is from the artist wanting credit more than anyone actually being offended. Sprinkled with some typical white guilt from Karens and Susans.

[Hondaracer]

Should just create a new mask and forget it ever happened. The artist can be forgotten once again.

[JesseBlue]

I think he should just paint it gray to represent the weather.

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by JesseBlue

I think he should just paint it gray to represent the weather.

Better be painted by a Vancouverite if it's representing Vancouver weather.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by JesseBlue

I think he should just paint it gray to represent the weather.

Should have a giant bleeding heart on his mask and call it a day.

[RiceIntegraRS]

With how soft everyone is nowadays i fear Petey will do something on social media for everyone to turn on him.

[bobbinka]

'Retire the orca', says Indigenous historian who calls Vancouver Canucks logo cultural appropriation

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/12...ca-indigenous/

[Hondaracer]

Uhgggggggggggggg

[highfive]

Originally Posted by bobbinka

'Retire the orca', says Indigenous historian who calls Vancouver Canucks logo cultural appropriation

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/12...ca-indigenous/

Like other Indigenous scholars and activists, Calreton points out a non-Indigenous artist can produce Indigenous-inspired works but the widely-held belief is that such artists should do so only with expressed consent and only if they have a connection to the community.

lol...really? isn't that a bit racist? IMO artists should be free to express their work in their own way. That's why it's art. Nobody asking you to copy some other person's work.

The entire profiting from their "art style"...lol I think the company will profit regardless of whoevers art style. Hell that Chinese NY rat made some money... haha

[Hondaracer]

So change the art style to somthing completely unrelated to native art and never use anything related or even remotely close to it going forward. Never use anything in promotional detail, backgrounds, etc.

Like, I’m not native and I’m making assumptions here but I’d wager that native ppl in BC who are Canucks fans probably take pride in, or are at the very least, indifferent, to the vague reference to native art that exists within the logo..

[Jmac]

It’s one thing when you’re literally ripping off art without permission (like with Holtby’s mask), it’s an entirely different thing when you’re using a style/influence to create original art.

At what point do other art styles like gothic, anime, impressionist, etc. start getting gate-kept?

[Hondaracer]

Bro, those paint splatters on your work pants are getting a little Pollock-esque, did you get permission from his estate?

[68style]

“Paint” splatters

[RiceIntegraRS]

Its a double edge sword for me. Im hating how soft everyone has become but on the flip side this is our chance to get rid of anything native which imo has no part in hockey to begin with.

[bobbinka]

we should just use a stock photo of an orca