The Official 2020/2021 Canucks & NHL Thread

[Expresso]

Originally Posted by Ch28

This is not on the Canucks as they were simply following NHL COVID protocol. If anyone wants to lay blame then do so against the league.

The league did send out a covid reminder memo at the same time Canucks announced 14 players had it. Speculation is some one slipped up.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...read-covid-19/

[68style]

The protocols, as someone else mentioned, don’t make any sense anyway. You have to isolate when in the road, can’t leave your rooms at all but when you’re at home it’s life as usual? How is that effective at all?

I mean I saw Jay Beagle at an elementary school picking up his kids in the first part of the season... what’s the point of quarantining in a hotel in Montreal or Winnipeg if you just interacted with like 100 people a few days beforehand?

It’s all kind of stupid, something like this happening was inevitable.

[AzNightmare]

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[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet650/sta...56421724327948

What Miller said about the remaining 19 game schedule shows you the courageous leadership that he shows for the team.

Bettman, the NHL, and team ownership are putting money ahead of the team’s long term health.

A bunch of selfish dirtbags!


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[68style]

^ Is he sounding courageous?

It sounds like they’re just going to mail it in which I’m fine with cuz we have no chance anyway

I care about people’s health too, but at the same time if you’re getting paid $5 million + a year to do something 50 times............ it’s a bit hard to feel overly sympathetic at having to work a bit harder/play more back to backs.

Regular people are getting sick running grocery tills and risking their health for minimum wage every day and don’t have access to the medical care and benefits these guys have. Nowhere even close.

[pastarocket]

I am looking at the “courageous” part for Miller and the team from a health perspective.

Regular people who work in the front lines as medical workers or grocery store staff do not need to be super fit in order to do their jobs.

They do not go to hockey practices or train in gyms with professional trainers
In order to their jobs.

The entire team had Covid. The league is forcing them to play games while their players are in a weaker state.

I am interested to see if the team doctors have said anything publicly to reporters about what medical staff can do if some of our Canucks start getting sick during or after playing these games.

As Miller said, it is about their health and their families. That is what is the most important now.

The players are taking a big risk with their long term health to play meaningless games.

Just because you are being paid large amounts of money to play an intense sport means you have to risk your long term health after your pro hockey career has ended?

Honestly, would anyone here take that big a risk after getting Covid? Money from playing meaningless NHL games means more than your long term health after getting Covid? That is your priority?


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[sonick]

Originally Posted by 68style

^ Is he sounding courageous?

It sounds like they’re just going to mail it in which I’m fine with cuz we have no chance anyway

I care about people’s health too, but at the same time if you’re getting paid $5 million + a year to do something 50 times............ it’s a bit hard to feel overly sympathetic at having to work a bit harder/play more back to backs.

Regular people are getting sick running grocery tills and risking their health for minimum wage every day and don’t have access to the medical care and benefits these guys have. Nowhere even close.

Not just the health and the effort aspect of it, many seem to forget that hockey is a dangerous sport. It's not a Broadway "the show must go on" scenario that many seem to think it is.

You dont hear about frequent injuries because the best in the world are matched up relatively equally. If you're not 100% and are matched up with the best in the world, there is a higher chance of injury.

Imagine Quinn Hughes, which sounds like he had pretty severe symptoms, is trying to hold the blue line with Milan Lucic bearing down on him and lining Hughes up for a big hit.

You think Hughes, who is just barely recovering from COVID, stands a chance? You think Lucic would have the thought to pull back in the heat of the moment?

It's potentially putting lives and careers at risk.

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by 68style

It sounds like they’re just going to mail it in which I’m fine with cuz we have no chance anyway

I care about people’s health too, but at the same time if you’re getting paid $5 million + a year to do something 50 times............ it’s a bit hard to feel overly sympathetic at having to work a bit harder/play more back to backs.

Regular people are getting sick running grocery tills and risking their health for minimum wage every day and don’t have access to the medical care and benefits these guys have. Nowhere even close.

Ever get that big pay day and say WOW? How long does that money keep you motivated? Maybe a week or so? Then at some point, you normalize and think you deserve it.

The dollar amount rarely affects anything. In fact, you just have more to lose. Nobody in their right mind will risk their health or careers for one season (particularly when the team's not performing) when they're trying to make the good money as long as they can.

[68style]

Regular people get Covid and have to go back to work in weakened state to not default on their mortgage or lose their job?

I really think you’re buying into the celebrity of being an NHL player a bit too much...

And if you’re going to campaign on behalf of the players just getting a pass on 19 games of a season, propose a solution? I don’t really get where you’re getting that idea from either, you think the league is making tonnes of money from these games that nobody attends? Tv contract? Where’s the proof? If anything the league also saves money by not putting the games on.

Heck if the owner doesn’t have to pay his arena staff and every player basically goes LTIR for 19 games he saves millions in salary he doesn’t have to personally pay anymore because it comes a large percentage out of NHLPA insurance if that happens, so saying the owner is greedy in this circumstance doesn’t hold water for me at all.

So what’s your solution? Hand a win to every team that would have played them? Montreal is trying to make the playoffs and they don’t have any games left against a Vancouver all their opponents get bonus points they didn’t earn and pass them because of it? Draft positions are affected? If you’re going to complain so much then explain how the league is supposed to handle one team getting a doctor’a note.

If anything, if any individual player has long lasting effects from this, put them on IR just like any other players that got it during the season and allow the Canucks leniency in call-ups or replacements, but have you seen any other player in the NHL who got COVID miss more than their prescribed number of games and then come back to play? Maybe Pietrangelo’s absence went a bit longer than it was supposed to but that’s about it. You’re just assuming the doctors haven’t had any say in this or the NHLPA doesn’t care.

[68style]

Originally Posted by Spoon

The dollar amount rarely affects anything. In fact, you just have more to lose. Nobody in their right mind will risk their health or careers for one season (particularly when the team's not performing) when they're trying to make the good money as long as they can.

There’s risk every time you step on the ice. Why go busting into a corner against a 6’5” dman to win a puck battle and risk your health? Why skate full speed down the wing and risks bodycheck or concussion and brain problems for old age? Why stand in front of the net getting the shit beat out of your back and knees? To win a shiny silver cup? Bragging rights? Personal achievement level unlocked?

So every player in the league should take a step back off the gas and do the bare minimum to preserve their health and money, no extra efforts, sounds like a great thing to watch — a sport full of people getting paid millions and millions of dollars to do something they chose to do but do it super safely so they can maximize their income.

The whole concept of pro sports or getting into pro sports, save for baseball or golf maybe, is complete asinine if long term health is anyone’s concern. They do it cuz they love the competition and the money. Imagine every player played like Pierre Luc Dubois in the shift ther got him benched/traded... everyone would be super safe and get their paycheque.

Do you want to watch that? Would they all still get paid how they do if they all played like that?

Again if someone is legit sick and weak after recovering, sit them, no point in players who are busted being out there... but I don’t think every player that got sick gets sick the same way or level. If Quinn Hughes is bedridden then sit him don’t force him to play nothing wrong with that, I’m not advocating sending dudes out who are ill but you’re all just assuming cuz Miller got on a podium that everyone is being forced to play on crutches.

[pastarocket]

As of right now, the NHL has not proposed any “solutions” or workarounds in case the Canucks cannot play all of their remaining 19 games.

I am gonna just wait and see what Bettman and the rest of his cronies do if things really go south.

Who wants to play armchair commissioner to help out the Canucks during Covid and propose solutions to issues about playoff position and draft order impacts if not all games can be played?



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[68style]

Originally Posted by sonick

You think Hughes, who is just barely recovering from COVID, stands a chance? You think Lucic would have the thought to pull back in the heat of the moment?

It's potentially putting lives and careers at risk.

So sit Hughes. Is everyone else on their deathbed?

I’m not an asshole my mind can be changed but I don’t buy the idea that guys are being forced to play on half their lung capacity or things like that

The owner has a significant investment in the players long term health too.

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by 68style

So sit Hughes. Is everyone else on their deathbed?

No need for the sarcasm.

Although I cannot relate to what the Canucks are going through right now, as a die hard Canucks fan for the past 30 plus years (yes I am old Pasta haha), I am concerned about the team’s health going into these meaningless games.

Imagine trying to get back doing a job when you need to be at top physical conditioning after you and your team mates had Covid.

No games or practices for over two weeks too. Yikes.


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[68style]

Honestly I think where NHL is really dropping the ball (and the NHLPA for that matter) is not spacing the games out more and starting playoffs later, but I wouldn’t cancel them completely.

I think the games being too close together is the injury risk, 5 games in 7 nights is ridiculous and goes against the integrity of the game just as much as not playing at all does.

[68style]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

No need for the sarcasm.

Although I cannot relate to what the Canucks are going through right now, as a die hard Canucks fan for the past 30 plus years (yes I am old Pasta haha), I am concerned about the team’s health going into these meaningless games.

It’s not sarcasm, it’s an honest question.

I’m old too 1991 I started watching haha

[68style]

I read Thomas Drance’s article and he makes a good point and solution — I agree with him that all the games against the Senators, who aren’t making the playoffs, those will have no consequence on any other team they should just give them each 2 wins and 2 losses and X those off the schedule, that would make a huge difference in the stress on the team.

edit: I finished reading his article, I can see where my opinion is a bit harsh... like I stand by the fact cancelling all games = bad for the integrity of the game but I also understand having a shit team play meaningless games = also bad for the integrity of the game.

I think my main barb with the whole thing is just assuming that enough players are showing lingering effects to constitute calling it a day. I mean... Dallas had 17 payers with COVID and they're playing their season... and I don't believe they have any chance of making the playoffs, was the reaction the same for them? I don't follow the team so I honestly can't say.

I really don't know what the answer is. I think they're in too deep to cancel the games completely. However, the NHL just isn't providing enough time........... prep wise and game wise... and not postponing the start of the playoffs in the USA to match the Canadian division is also a massive error.

[Sw0op]

that was at the beginning of the season when the stars caught Covid...this is like near the end when our playoff hopes is pretty much gone...plus i think they were off for 2 weeks and had a day or 2 for practice?

the canucks had like 3 weeks off and when they come back...youre playing teams that are fighting for a playoff spot or have something to play off...which means the intensity is a lot higher

[Expresso]

They're going to play these games out but how is the unknown. There's too many implications in terms of playoffs and draft standings to simply just cancel them. At this rate and whatever the solution is, it'll probably mean Canucks near the bottom. But I'll take the high draft pick.

[whitev70r]

Send in healthy AHL players, see how they perform. If all else fails, use UBC varsity players, or zamboni drivers.

I do see the risk in playing someone who is just recovering from a serious bout of Covid ... so many unknowns. Much of it is respiratory and can you imagine if you're gasping for air by middle of 1st period?

[Sw0op]

Just take a look at what happened to the Raptors when they got it....when they came back they were nowhere near the same players as they couldn't keep up with the pace trhoughout the game...and then you want this to happen when there is hitting involved?

[Hondaracer]

Well it’s not even about covid. Even if they didn’t have covid a month off of skating and then going up against one of the top teams in the division? Worst case scenario with or without covid

[BlackV62K2]

Call the season and give us that damn #1 1st round pick....even though the draft pool isnt as great.

[whitev70r]

Calling it for the Canucks midseason should certainly be considered although to my knowledge, this situation has never happened before where a team has to shut down mid-season but hey, we've never seen a plague like this for 100 years so ...

Just go by winning percentage in the Canadian division for playoff position. It's going to be between Calgary and Montreal.

As for draft, not fair to just give it to us based on points ... to be fair, use winning percentage as well ... there are 4 teams with less points in the league that have been playing their schedule out. Canucks might still not be the lowest point team .. at the end of the season !!

[sonick]

Game vs Edmonton on Fridayhas been postponed.

[pastarocket]

Good decision to postpone.

I highly doubt that the team passed their cardiology tests this week.

-way too dangerous to play these games now.

-gotta bench McDavid for my hockey pool team for tomorrow's game.