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11-18-2020, 01:13 PM
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I am seriously disappointed even though I should really have expected this. This is essentially the same first gen car with a new engine dropped into it, plus some nips and tucks here and there. The engine is adequate, and I'd expect it to work quite nicely for street use, but a larger displacement will almost certainly make it less eager to rev and revs are fun. Except for the front end from above the grill all the way to the hood, the rest of the lines look overwrought.
I'd call this a gen 1.5 car at most...
The other problem is -- this car is going to have to compete with all the 1st gen cars that are already out in the market. I don't see how the car wouldn't be Cdn $30k+ when it drives out of the showroom, but you can probably find a decent FRS in the low teens. But the new car isn't $18k better than the old one, so why would someone buy new?
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11-18-2020, 01:24 PM
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#52 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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11-18-2020, 01:32 PM
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peak toque arrives at half the previous gen rpm
and higher redline?
not sure what people are expecting at 30k price bracket
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11-18-2020, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Traum  But the new car isn't $18k better than the old one, so why would someone buy new? | Because they can't afford the old one either, but this way they can get that sweet, sweet 84 month loan.
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11-18-2020, 01:35 PM
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#55 | | Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
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Originally Posted by underscore Because they can't afford the old one either, but this way they can get that sweet, sweet 84 month loan. | 96 is where it’s at  | |
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11-18-2020, 02:00 PM
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#56 | | Waxin’ Punks
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Side profile looks like an RX8 to me. 
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11-18-2020, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by underscore How are people going to put absurdly large spoilers on them with that trunk lid? What was Subaru thinking?
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11-18-2020, 02:51 PM
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#58 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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When will the 86 version get revealed?
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11-18-2020, 03:24 PM
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#59 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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I see a 370Z with a duck tail spoiler cept the front is a Miata. And it also looks like a pickup truck on the inside
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11-18-2020, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMDreams Just get a 400z | Quote:
Originally Posted by JDMDreams Cough 400z cough | The 400z is estimated to be in the $45K range. How does that even make it comparable to the BRZ? It's no longer in the same market segment anymore.
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11-18-2020, 03:56 PM
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Don’t jump in too early maybe they’ll do an STI model with the turbo motor!!
I mean, you wouldn’t want to be “that” guy who bought the Scion iM right before the new Corolla hatchback came out right?  | |
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11-18-2020, 04:51 PM
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11-18-2020, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 68style Don’t jump in too early maybe they’ll do an STI model with the turbo motor!! | I totally hope Subie will bolt the turbo back on in an STI version of the car, and I think it'd totally make sense for them to do it too. Then again, their Toyota overlords may not like the idea of a BRZ STI eating into the sales of the 4-banger Supra.
Personally, I think the two cater to different audience since a BRZ STI would obviously be 6MT only, while the 4 banger Supra is auto only. But who knows what Toyota would think...
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11-18-2020, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 68style I mean, you wouldn’t want to be “that” guy who bought the Scion iM right before the new Corolla hatchback came out right? |  x 9999999
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11-18-2020, 05:14 PM
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#65 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
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Originally Posted by trollface You never seen the BATTLE AERO XL DELUXE IPHONE 12 pro MAX XR SE X RALLY BACKER X ROCKET BUNNY X HOOOONNIGAN X NIGHT RUNNER X MIDNIGHT CLUB X SUPREME X OS GIKEN X VOLKS X FAT LACE X SPEED HUNTERZ 747 WINGS THAT ARE MOUNTED TO THE REAR BUMPER CRASH BEAM? Anything is possible, my G. | At least I track with my battle aero wing  | |
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11-18-2020, 05:41 PM
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#66 | | Banned (ABWS)?
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Not surprised, but I guess anything under 3000 lbs is considered lightweight in today's time..
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11-18-2020, 06:42 PM
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#67 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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Originally Posted by Traum I totally hope Subie will bolt the turbo back on in an STI version of the car, and I think it'd totally make sense for them to do it too. Then again, their Toyota overlords may not like the idea of a BRZ STI eating into the sales of the 4-banger Supra.
Personally, I think the two cater to different audience since a BRZ STI would obviously be 6MT only, while the 4 banger Supra is auto only. But who knows what Toyota would think... | I don't think it's an issue, they sold Supra, MR2 and GT-Four at the same time. They're totally different cars for different people.
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11-18-2020, 07:31 PM
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^ not to mention like 12 GT cars in Japan that were all basically the same.
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11-18-2020, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon I don't think it's an issue, they sold Supra, MR2 and GT-Four at the same time. They're totally different cars for different people. | That was many years ago. Japanese ports cars are dying today because no one is really buying them anymore. If sports cars were selling like hot cakes and was a money maker, everyone would be pumping them out. Cost of living is high, big move to SUV/Cross overs, Hybrids etc.
Making two is bonkers in today's climate when a regular Carmy in your lineup with make you 10000X more money. There is reason why the STI/Z has stayed the same for so many years. They don't make money and cost a shit load to redesign when your investors are looking for return on their money.
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11-18-2020, 10:36 PM
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#70 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
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Originally Posted by trollface That was many years ago. Japanese ports cars are dying today because no one is really buying them anymore. | I’d say because Japan used to be the leader in affordable innovation. Just look at the modern sports cars the blue collar enthusiast can get. Lots of choices in hot hatches from Ford/vw/Hyunda, great driving muscle cars like the mustang/camaro/corvette, the European ///M or AMG (used of course) are supercar fast.
Mazda has the miata. Nissan has a 370z based on a 350z from 2002. Toyota has a bmw made “supra”. Honda has the CTR (which is great) but no s2000 replacement. You have some Lexus which are only softer GT cars in automatic. Infiniti does have the q60 which is a pretty sick car.
For the current 2020 model, exactly what does japan provide us that Europe or America can’t match (and the latter, at quite a cost saving)
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11-18-2020, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 320icar For the current 2020 model, exactly what does japan provide us that Europe or America can’t match (and the latter, at quite a cost saving) | A strong residual and resale value, and long term reliability.
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11-19-2020, 12:44 AM
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#72 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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Originally Posted by trollface That was many years ago. Japanese ports cars are dying today because no one is really buying them anymore. If sports cars were selling like hot cakes and was a money maker, everyone would be pumping them out. Cost of living is high, big move to SUV/Cross overs, Hybrids etc.
Making two is bonkers in today's climate when a regular Carmy in your lineup with make you 10000X more money. There is reason why the STI/Z has stayed the same for so many years. They don't make money and cost a shit load to redesign when your investors are looking for return on their money. | Sports cars never were money makers, they're to get you into the dealership to sell you a Camry. Japanese sports cars already died once with the Miata as the sole survivor. All the cars you see now are either new or were killed off at one point. This is a comeback of sorts. Build excitement for the brand, sell more Camry's
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11-19-2020, 07:53 AM
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#73 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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maybe we‘ll see a phev mr2 by geely I mean lotus
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11-19-2020, 07:58 AM
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#74 | | I Will not Admit my Addiction to RS
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero maybe we‘ll see a phev mr2 by geely I mean lotus | From what I've read Lotus is going electric, but not hybrid.
I think they have a new version of the elise/exige coming out in a couple years, and then electric after that.
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11-19-2020, 08:18 AM
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#75 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon Sports cars never were money makers, they're to get you into the dealership to sell you a Camry. Japanese sports cars already died once with the Miata as the sole survivor. All the cars you see now are either new or were killed off at one point. This is a comeback of sorts. Build excitement for the brand, sell more Camry's | I think sports cars are money makers, just not Japanese ones. Look how many Mustangs/Challengers/Chargers/Camaros/Corvettes the Americans move each year. They sold like 100k Mustangs last year. The FRS sold like 10k in it's best year since release.
American sports cars print money. Not sure when/why the shift happened, but here we are.
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