Joe Biden Thread

[68style]

Everything Kenney touches turns to complete and utter shit... just a loser no matter you like him or not

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by 68style

Everything Kenney touches turns to complete and utter shit... just a loser no matter you like him or not

Sounds like a former president in the US...

[Traum]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

For people worried about Biden with regards to China

The attitude being presented by the new Secretary of State is encouraging, but ultimately, the litmus test is the actions taken by the new government as a whole, so we will at least have to see how things pan out over the next few months before we can get a good feel on what the Biden government's China policy is really like.

[pastarocket]

Fuck Trump! Fucking orange Cheeto left no vaccine distribution plan for the Biden administration. A parting gift from that piece of shit!

Putting American lives at risk!

I am beyond pissed at this fucker Trump because part of my extended family lives in 3 states that have some of the highest number of Covid cases in the US. California, Arizona, and Florida. Five cousins, an aunt and uncle who have yet to get their vaccine shots because that fucker Trump doesn't care about the lives of ordinary Americans!

FUCK TRUMP!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/polit...ump/index.html

-from the article:

Newly sworn in President Joe Biden and his advisers are inheriting no coronavirus vaccine distribution plan to speak of from the Trump administration, sources tell CNN, posing a significant challenge for the new White House.

The Biden administration has promised to try to turn the Covid-19 pandemic around and drastically speed up the pace of vaccinating Americans against the virus. But in the immediate hours following Biden being sworn into office on Wednesday, sources with direct knowledge of the new administration's Covid-related work told CNN one of the biggest shocks that the Biden team had to digest during the transition period was what they saw as a complete lack of a vaccine distribution strategy under former President Donald Trump, even weeks after multiple vaccines were approved for use in the United States.

"There is nothing for us to rework. We are going to have to build everything from scratch," one source said.



-gonna play some World Star Hip Hop songs "Fuck Donald Trump" to help me calm down now.

YG & Nipsey Hussle

[westopher]

Traum, serious question. Why is the treatment of China such a sticking point for the quality of a US administration. I certainly dislike the politics of the Chinese government, but how much of an effect does US foreign policy (to China or other countries we don’t live in) really have on our lives. I understand it’s different for people with family there, who are likely affected by it, but what can the US really do about that? It would be like me basing my interest in US politics with their relationship with the UK being top of mind.
I’m not trying to criticize, just trying to understand.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by westopher

Traum, serious question. Why is the treatment of China such a sticking point for the quality of a US administration. I certainly dislike the politics of the Chinese government, but how much of an effect does US foreign policy (to China or other countries we don’t live in) really have on our lives. I understand it’s different for people with family there, who are likely affected by it, but what can the US really do about that? It would be like me basing my interest in US politics with their relationship with the UK being top of mind.
I’m not trying to criticize, just trying to understand.

Westopher,

I appreciate the question, and I will do my best to offer my take on it.

At an international level, the biggest problem I see is the "Chinese Dream" / national rejuvenation. China wants to see itself ascending to a world leadership position that has even more influence than the US currently enjoys. And with the way Communist China operates, this is not a good thing for the international community. As a common Chinese saying goes, China wants its international policies to be a win-win situation for the countries involved, but the Chinese definition of a win-win situation means China wins twice.

To fulfill this ascension dream of theirs, infiltration / subversion, state-backed unfair competition in the private sector, and geopolitical control are all part of the plan. Infiltration / subversion is prevalent in a large number of countries, with Australia, New Zealand, and Canada being some of the worst examples, and the US has its fair share of Chinese agents (aka influencial lobbiest). In Canada, google for "Michael Chan" in the Ontario Liberals or the "Hong Guo" Richmond mayoral candidate and you will see some of the things I am talking about. In the US, a recent example is this "Fang Fang" chick, and it is quite a juicy story there.

Huawei and solar panel manufacturing are examples of state-backed unfair competition in the private sector. The standard playbook there is for the state-backed enterprise to gain a controlling market share through state support (vs private sector-only resources), buy out the competition, and direct the bought-out industry to put China's interests ahead of the interests of the others. In Huawei's case, there are economic and privacy concerns. The South China Seas disputes, the Taiwan sovereignty issue (which is really an attempt to break through the First Island Chain), and China's Belt & Road Initiative are examples of gaining geopolitical control worldwide.

So where the US comes in with its foreign policy is, effectively, US is the only body in the world that would stand a chance to stop this madness. The EU could have been an effective body to do this too, but the governance model and the greatly differing interests among its member nations means nothing effective can really come out of the EU.

As an example of how China's ambitions can affect us, the South China Seas is an extremely important international trade route. I don't remember the numbers, but I think it accounts for at least something like 30 - 40% of all internationally traded goods, and over 70% of all Middle East crude oil transports. China has been actively trying to claim the South China Seas as its state-controlled territory, and given what we have seen with the way China operates, if it succeeds with this initiative, they could go as far as blocking all international access to those waters. International trade routes would then have to go around the outside of Indonesia and significantly increasing transportation costs.

As a comparison, it can be said that the US currently controls / maintains international order on (international) sea routes. The difference is, 60+ years of history (since WW2) has shown that the US does not interfere with normal sea route / trade activities. That will not be the same if Communist China is the top dog.

These are just a fraction of the examples that a common person can see, and I feel like I am not doing a good enough job of explaining how our lives can be negatively affected by a China-led world. But this is a superficial explanation of why the US' China policy is important. It really isn't a Trump / Biden or a GOP / Democrat question.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by Gumby

Sounds like a former president in the US...

Conservatives...

[sonick]

Originally Posted by Traum

As a common Chinese saying goes, China wants its international policies to be a win-win situation for the countries involved, but the Chinese definition of a win-win situation means China wins twice.

Huawei and solar panel manufacturing are examples of state-backed unfair competition in the private sector. The standard playbook there is for the state-backed enterprise to gain a controlling market share through state support (vs private sector-only resources), buy out the competition, and direct the bought-out industry to put China's interests ahead of the interests of the others. In Huawei's case, there are economic and privacy concerns. The South China Seas disputes, the Taiwan sovereignty issue (which is really an attempt to break through the First Island Chain), and China's Belt & Road Initiative are examples of gaining geopolitical control worldwide.

Good example with this that directly impacted Canada. Back in the day when Nortel was flying high, the Chinese military hacked Nortel to steal their intellectual property. This resulted in Nortel eventually going bankrupt.

It's reported/speculated that this IP eventually ended up at Huawei and gave them the leg up on 5G technology among others.

Pretty scummy if you ask me.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/i...ack-on-nortel/

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/did-a-ch...pany-1.1459269

[unit]

have you guys read that report on Huawei stealing a robot arm from a phone testing device called Tappy? fucking unbelievable.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/68966...crets-says-doj

[whitev70r]

^ Ask Channel, NFL, NBA, KFC, Starbucks, Nike, Apple, Gucci, YSL ... China's been stealing secrets forever, I thought everyone knew. What's the news?

[MG1]

I so fucking hate china.......... I go out of my way not to buy/support anything that comes out of there. It doesn't matter how much more buying from elsewhere is.

Dirty tactics, shitty treatment of their workers, human rights violations, cutting corners, putting consumers at risk......... all in the name of making money and taking control of power.

BTW, it's the regime, not the people I dislike. Having said that, when the people in control are ruthless and operate without any moral compass/ethics, it's not going to be long before the people become that way. The CCP has their finger in everything in just about every country. A whole new brand of communism. Where everyone's lives are meaningless except for those in control. They don't even give a rat's ass about their own kind in their own country. Their rich and privileged continue to profit on the backs of those who cannot claw their way out of poverty.

We keep buying their shit and we keep buying their shit. Little by little they are taking over and we keep letting them. I hope world leaders get their shit together and say enough is enough.

Money talks, bullshit walks.......... we're screwed. /rant

[spoon.ek9]

i think that's the important distinction to make. it's the CCP i strongly dislike, not the country and it's people. it's unfortunate that a lot of their citizens are unable to separate national pride from CCP as they are commonly seen as one and the same.

[SnK1800]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

i think that's the important distinction to make. it's the CCP i strongly dislike, not the country and it's people. it's unfortunate that a lot of their citizens are unable to separate national pride from CCP as they are commonly seen as one and the same.

mainly due to their brainwashing education system and fake news/media

[winson604]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

i think that's the important distinction to make. it's the CCP i strongly dislike, not the country and it's people. it's unfortunate that a lot of their citizens are unable to separate national pride from CCP as they are commonly seen as one and the same.

I'll admit, I sometimes hate the people but I don't generalize the hate to the group as a whole. With that said, sometimes I try to take a step back and think if the hate is warranted. For example things like people cutting lines and spitting in public even inside malls. Is it against the norm here in Canada? Yes, but pretty normal in Mainland and culturally accepted there. Do I hate or think ok this person just doesn't know, it's hard sometimes.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by MG1

I go out of my way not to buy/support anything that comes out of there. It doesn't matter how much more buying from elsewhere is.

Dirty tactics, shitty treatment of their workers, human rights violations, cutting corners, putting consumers at risk......... all in the name of making money and taking control of power.

BTW, it's the regime, not the people I dislike

lots of disgusting practices in other developing markets too

cbc marketplace did one on PPE from malaysia, promising foreign workers a better life only to find horrible conditions, physical abuse etc.

vietnam condom plant reusing old ones

sry for straying from the scranton joe discussion

[MG1]

What I find interesting is how CBCs who's families have been here for generations view some of the odd (for lack of a nicer word) behaviour of the new immigrants/visitors. How it hurts them to see the hard work of their ancestors, who have toiled to build up a good reputation amongst other Canadians - enduring generations of racism and brunt of jokes, get destroyed in an instant.

I recall one RS member commenting, "Please let it not be Chinese..........." after hearing of someone doing something distasteful. I'm not sure if there are any groups out there that help these people acclimatize to our accepted practices and norms of social behaviour. I was going to say, "culture," but that isn't the right term, is it?

[MG1]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

lots of disgusting practices in other developing markets too

cbc marketplace did one on PPE from malaysia, promising foreign workers a better life only to find horrible conditions, physical abuse etc.

vietnam condom plant reusing old ones

sry for straying from the scranton joe discussion

True, but the people from mainland china are travelling abroad with loads of cash along with their crass. Not all, of course, but a noticeable amount. Stories of how some of them desecrate monuments and historical sites for shits and giggles.


Yeah, we should get back to the thread.

[CivicBlues]

The thing is, when white people do something despicable (which in Canada, the vast majority of such acts are) nobody ascribes it to their nationality or ethnicity.

[320icar]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

The thing is, when white people do something despicable (which in Canada, the vast majority of such acts are) nobody escribes it to their nationality or ethnicity.

That’s because we live in Canada? So if a Canadian says some weird racist shit, you don’t have to call them a Canadian if they look like white trash from Alberta. But if an American came up here shopping and went on a racist tirade at the outlets, you damn well know they would specify they were American.

The same way when I talk about my focus RS on the focus RS forums, I don’t have to remind people I’m referencing my focus RS.

Edit: unless I misunderstood what you mean. Feel free to correct me/clarify

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by 320icar

That’s because we live in Canada? So if a Canadian says some weird racist shit, you don’t have to call them a Canadian if they look like white trash from Alberta. But if an American came up here shopping and went on a racist tirade at the outlets, you damn well know they would specify they were American.

The same way when I talk about my focus RS on the focus RS forums, I don’t have to remind people I’m referencing my focus RS.

Edit: unless I misunderstood what you mean. Feel free to correct me/clarify

so White = Canadian? There are tons of European immigrants in this city, no doubt some involved in crime as well. Not to mention that if a white criminal is apprehended no one speculates on their ethnic origin or cultural proclivities. If a brown gangster is killed it's all "oh it's their culture of spoiling them" even if they were born here and hold citizenship.

[Hondaracer]

Well..the brown thing it’s still that culture that perpetuates that behaviour in many cases.

I know a teacher who used to teach at a predominantly brown school in Surrey and he said there were numerous occasions during parent teacher interviews where the son and mother would come in and the son would actually raise his hand at the mother like he was going to backhand her if he felt the conversation was going the wrong way..lol

[CivicBlues]

Well all I know is no one is going around saying "Downtown Eastside culture" or "Eastern" Canadian/Quebecois culture (where many of our bums are from) is to blame for this shitty happenings Downtown/Strathcona as of late.

[Hondaracer]

Well, given the amount of natives in those situations you could call that true Canadian culture..

[320icar]

I’m well aware of Canada’s white immigrants, my family is one of them

[MG1]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Well, given the amount of natives in those situations you could call that true Canadian culture..

Are they truly indigenous, though? I thought they crossed over to NA many moons ago.