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Eff-1 12-02-2020 09:51 AM

I feel like an outlier here because I never was able to tell a difference in daily driving between Shell/Esso/Chevron 91, which I used interchangeably. But I admit I did always have a perception that Shell was the highest "quality", whatever that means.

My current vehicle only needs 87 and I enjoy that it's cheaper lol.

Traum 12-02-2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9009088)
What are they doing to reset/relearn the ECU between tests?

quick update -- straight from the horse's mouth:

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I cleared the codes which reset fuel trims. It learns right after being reset and when learning from scratch Chevron makes around 275whp on the 1st pull. Shell made around 240whp consistently in the first pull. Then they both adapt and gain and then lose power as they adapt to the fuel and it figures out what it can do with the fuel

bcrdukes 12-02-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9009069)
Needs to do petro 91.

Funny you mention Petro 91 because that is a gas station/brand I almost never go to. I've never had good results with their gas and my cars always run like crap after filling up on Petro 91. Most dyno threads always seem to be a comparison between Shell and Chevron, never Esso, Petro, Husky/Mohawk, or Costco. :concentrate:

twitchyzero 12-02-2020 12:34 PM

but Kirkland Signature bro

CorneringArtist 12-02-2020 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 9009131)
but Kirkland Signature bro

Funny you say that because Costco gas uses Top Tier additives, and that seems like it uses a Shell base. Their 91 hasn't caused any issues on my GTI.

Eff-1 12-02-2020 04:13 PM

I might be the only one who thinks this but the best thing about Petro Can is you can tap your credit card on the pump, no need to insert chip and enter PIN.

Manic! 12-02-2020 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bcrdukes (Post 9009126)
Funny you mention Petro 91 because that is a gas station/brand I almost never go to. I've never had good results with their gas and my cars always run like crap after filling up on Petro 91. Most dyno threads always seem to be a comparison between Shell and Chevron, never Esso, Petro, Husky/Mohawk, or Costco. :concentrate:

Only saying petro because that's what we sell, so that's what goes in the R8. Have not really noticed a difference in types of gas from selling ESSO, Tempo, Shell, and Petrocan. The only problem we had was with Shell when they changed the formula and it caused problems with gauges. That was across North America.

Petro is considered top tear, Husky is not. Husky is not building any new gas stations and is now also an ESSO dealer. Basically a middle man between corporate ESSO and the gas station.

We need someone in the gas industry to really explain what's going on.

Traum 12-02-2020 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eff-1 (Post 9009160)
I might be the only one who thinks this but the best thing about Petro Can is you can tap your credit card on the pump, no need to insert chip and enter PIN.

Shell, Husky, and Esso have mobile apps that allow the purchase to be done entirely on your phone. All you gotta do is pretty the physical octane type button on the pump, and pick up the fuel gun afterwards.

underscore 12-02-2020 07:35 PM

With Esso 91 I got significantly better mileage out of my wifes old 97 Prelude. The price jump from 87 to 91 varies wildly all over town though so idk how it works out in terms of actual $/km.

k3mps 12-02-2020 08:12 PM

Well I guess I'll be switching to Chevron 94 after 10 years of Shell.
Airmiles will still be good for my Safeway runs.

I'm interested to see if I'll be able to feel a difference however my car isn't tuned; only bolt ons. Probably not on a day to day basis but 40HP difference on an S4 would be quite noticeable on the road, no?

Question for those of you in the know; if I'm pumping 91 from a nozzle that's also used for 87/89... am I pumping residual regular in the line from the last person to fill up before 91 kicks in or does the fuel go back into their respective tanks after stopping? I think I've only been to one or two Shells in town that had a dedicated 91 nozzle.

Is anyone else switching from Shell to Chevron?

westopher 12-02-2020 08:26 PM

I've started making chevron 94 my regular choice since the shell near me always gouges high traffic times at the pump by like 10-15c. Milage in the e36 actually seems a bit better with shell, but the car feels better with chevron as of the last year or so.

The Producer 12-02-2020 08:37 PM

i got in trouble from the 70 year old gas jock at the edgemont chevron for using 91 in the 996

he walked past , didn't even look over his shoulder - just told me "you're using the wrong stuff"

:pokerface:

:alone:

westopher 12-02-2020 08:48 PM

I mean, was he wrong?:lawl:

The Producer 12-02-2020 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9009199)
I mean, was he wrong?:lawl:

i mean - he hurt my feelings :okay:

Traum 12-02-2020 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by k3mps (Post 9009192)
Question for those of you in the know; if I'm pumping 91 from a nozzle that's also used for 87/89... am I pumping residual regular in the line from the last person to fill up before 91 kicks in or does the fuel go back into their respective tanks after stopping? I think I've only been to one or two Shells in town that had a dedicated 91 nozzle.

The fuel from the previous fill up stays in the hose. So if you are filling up with 91 and the last person bought 87, you'll have at least the entire hose's worth of 87 gas, if not a tad more.

Eons ago, Shell used to have a separate nozzle for V-Power, but I don't think I have seen separate setup like that for a very, very long time. I think Chevron is the only one that does it now.

twitchyzero 12-02-2020 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CorneringArtist (Post 9009148)
Funny you say that because Costco gas uses Top Tier additives, and that seems like it uses a Shell base. Their 91 hasn't caused any issues on my GTI.

yes been putting in shell since not being able to fuel from costco bellingham
will scope out some esso pumps if they're really also top tier
port injected higher compression still gets chevron 94

white rocket 12-02-2020 10:22 PM

I have used Chevron 94 on any vehicle that was even remotely considered "performance" for as long as I can remember and I'll always seek out a Chevron even for 87. Not sure where the loyalty came from but thanks to these videos my undying zero research driven love is now justified. Lol!

snowball 12-02-2020 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Eff-1 (Post 9009160)
I might be the only one who thinks this but the best thing about Petro Can is you can tap your credit card on the pump, no need to insert chip and enter PIN.

Loving those new app; now how to fill my car without touching the handle...

Dbone 12-03-2020 05:15 AM

There's an app that will work the handle for you?:woot2:

bcrdukes 12-03-2020 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by snowball (Post 9009210)
Loving those new app; now how to fill my car without touching the handle...

It's called full service. :troll:

UnknownJinX 12-03-2020 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bcrdukes (Post 9009126)
Funny you mention Petro 91 because that is a gas station/brand I almost never go to. I've never had good results with their gas and my cars always run like crap after filling up on Petro 91. Most dyno threads always seem to be a comparison between Shell and Chevron, never Esso, Petro, Husky/Mohawk, or Costco. :concentrate:

When I was in Alberta, I used Petro-Canada 94 in my Camaro and it was fine. Curious how that would do against Chevron 94.
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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9009164)
Only saying petro because that's what we sell, so that's what goes in the R8. Have not really noticed a difference in types of gas from selling ESSO, Tempo, Shell, and Petrocan. The only problem we had was with Shell when they changed the formula and it caused problems with gauges. That was across North America.

Petro is considered top tear, Husky is not. Husky is not building any new gas stations and is now also an ESSO dealer. Basically a middle man between corporate ESSO and the gas station.

We need someone in the gas industry to really explain what's going on.

Petro-Canada dropped out of Top Tier a while ago. No idea why, some have rumoured that they just don't want to pay the fee.

herman 12-03-2020 01:56 PM


This popped up in my YT feed after watching Vancity Audi.

Guy on the island compares Chev 94 winter blend against Shell 91 summer blend. Shell wins.

Is it possible in the GVRD, in November, Shell was moving winter blend while Chevron was still clearing out their inventory of summer fuel?

boibuddha 12-03-2020 04:02 PM

For my car (2018 Civic Si), Chevron 94 runs better than Shell 91.
I run an E10 blend with a fairly aggressive OTS tune (24.5 psi + ~30 deg. adv. timing) and monitor stuff daily.

Even blended with ethanol, my car detects minor knock on Shell 91 while my car warms up; it never does that on Chevron 94. That knock goes away once warm though.

Here's how I rank gas in the lower mainland for my car (determined by knock readings):
Chevron 94 E10 blend > Shell 91 E10 blend > Washington Shell 92 > Co-op E10 blend > Chevron 94 > Shell 91 > Costco 91 >> Petro 91 (car hated this stuff, possibly bad gas)

As already stated, Chevron 94 can be inconsistent. It seems like 1/5 tanks isn't as knock resistant as the others.

trollface 12-04-2020 07:35 AM

What blend should I run in my 2006 camry?

Jmac 12-04-2020 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by trollface (Post 9009334)
What blend should I run in my 2006 camry?

Chevron 94 with octane boosters


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