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Thing with telling it constantly is paying lip service, it also waters down the seriousness of the situation.
Well, maybe we should do more than lip service rather than complain about a month of driving awareness of it?
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Look at BLM, eventually it just became a full on free for all riot, did much come out of it?
So when the cops starting beating the protestors and the protestors defended themselves BLM became a "riot" and not a movement? While there were a few cases of the protesters starting fights, the VAST majority of violence were started by the police. Riots happened b/c the police used the state's authority to beat, attack and arrest people for peaceful protests.
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Telling the truth, I support fully.
Changing school names, abstaining Canada day celebrations, not so much.
I don't know but if I had to attend a school every day that's named after a person who openly oppressed my ancestors due to their race I might not like it and may suggest that we rename it something that doesn't remind me daily that my country used to be virulently racist against me...like let's see who implemented the Chinese Head Tax....<checks notes> holy fuck, it's John A Fucking McDonald! Our first Prime Minister! The same asshole who formed the RCMP with the goal to eradicate First Nations people! Fuck that guy!
Just as the Germans don't put statues of Hitler in front of city halls to remind of his terrible acts (they also don't name schools after him), we don't need statues of John A McDonald to remind us that he was actually an asshole (Edit: And we don't need to name schools after him) (even for his time).
Ask anyone who lives in Kelowna if they ever dare set foot in Westbank... it's like the Compton of the interior.
I think you're confusing Westbank with Penticton. Westbank First Nation does very well for themselves, there's tons of businesses, residential areas, etc on their land and the only way to tell what parts of West Kelowna are and aren't on their land is to look at a map. What I've seen of their undeveloped land (I think it's used for cattle?) on the other side of the lake is the same story, neatly fenced, lots of professional signage, etc.
Penticton Indian Band on the other hand was always pretty rough when I lived down there. It's been a while since I drove through it but it was one of those places where you knew exactly where you were just by seeing it. I went to some kind of ceremony thing there once when I was a kid (which was really cool) but a lot of the place was a bunch of bad res stereotypes.
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Too much of the government just throwing money at the problem and then being like "Well... we gave you money, what else do you want?" and not really tacking the issue of independence or addiction or societal acceptance, etc. Part of where it all falls apart from a hypothetical standpoint is the entire idea of being inclusive and treating everyone the same doesn't jive with status and cultural preservation.
That's a super common issue too, just look at all the lottery winners and pro athletes who blow it all. Throwing money at people almost never works and imo it's a cop out. At the very least they should be offering some kind of financial advisor training or assistance or something to go with it. I dunno how many would actually take them up on that but it couldn't hurt.
I'm actually curious how much some of the programs even get used and how much actual FN input there is into how they're set up and operated. I lived in Thunder Bay for a bit which has a huge FN population, a big university, and a big college. This is just an assumption based on appearance, but walking around town you'd see and meet a bunch of FN people. But in a year of going to school and living on campus, I saw one dude on campus. I even met a highschool kid who lived across the street from the uni who had no interest in going to school there. Granted that's just one kid but to me at least it seems like there's issues with how these programs are being implemented.
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
I don't know but if I had to attend a school every day that's named after a person who openly oppressed my ancestors due to their race I might not like it and may suggest that we rename it something that doesn't remind me daily that my country used to be virulently racist against me...like let's see who implemented the Chinese Head Tax....<checks notes> holy fuck, it's John A Fucking McDonald! Our first Prime Minister! The same asshole who formed the RCMP with the goal to eradicate First Nations people! Fuck that guy!
Just as the Germans don't put statues of Hitler in front of city halls to remind of his terrible acts (they also don't name schools after him), we don't need statues of John A McDonald to remind us that he was actually an asshole (Edit: And we don't need to name schools after him) (even for his time).
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Prime Minister John A. Macdonald acknowledged the necessity of Chinese labour. When the government of British Columbia tried to ban Chinese immigration in 1882, Macdonald said in the House of Commons, “either you must have this labour or you can’t have the railway.” (See The “Other” Last Spike.) But as construction of the railway neared completion, Macdonald willingly yielded to prejudiced and discriminatory politicians, trade unionists and public opinion. In 1884, he appointed the Royal Commission on Chinese Immigration to investigate the restriction of Chinese immigrants. (See also Royal Commissions.)
He is our first prime minister and did founded the country. We gotta give him some credit.
Sure, he did things that we see as wrong today but was it wrong in his lifetime?
He could've gone out and said the general perception is wrong, guarantee he would be kicked out like JWR with the liberals.
If you use modern day morals to look back, 9 out of 10 times is what the fuck were we thinking. Now flip back to being in the 1800s... such actions were not that fucked up.
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He is our first prime minister and did founded the country. We gotta give him some credit.
Sure, he did things that we see as wrong today but was it wrong in his lifetime?
He could've gone out and said the general perception is wrong, guarantee he would be kicked out like JWR with the liberals.
If you use modern day morals to look back, 9 out of 10 times is what the fuck were we thinking. Now flip back to being in the 1800s... such actions were not that fucked up.
Well yeah, killing coloured people for sport was de rigeur by any white ruler back in the 1800's. King Leopold II turned the Congo into his personal playground and killed about 10 million people and his people made it a sport to cut off people's hands (they didn't kill them so others would see what happened if you didn't obey). The British starved India and killed millions in the late 1800's.
I mean it was just how a white dude would flex back then, that's just the equivalent of modding your diesel truck to coal roll a pussy cyclist today.
I'm a simple man and I just think that targeting tens of thousands of people (or more) of a specific race/culture for death is genocide regardless of when you did it. I don't care about other messed up stuff of our past like calling women witches if they were good at healing people or lobotomizing people with mental health issues or torturing gay people (ok I care about that). I'm just calling out that committing genocide is wrong regardless of what century you were raised in and John A McDonald most definitely committed genocide against the natives. The Chinese Head Tax is just the cherry on the cake for saying that our first PM wasn't a particularly good man and he doesn't deserve statues or schools named after him considering the harm he also did.
We don't celebrate our average leaders, we celebrate our greats ones. John A. McDonald is not one of the great ones and we're not putting up statues of Justin Trudeau for getting us through the pandemic either. The Sedins will get statues but that bum Kassian will never get one.
maybe i'm just a negative nancy but please tell me what's worth celebrating
the wider audience finally realized the horrific conditions that are most care homes
26,000+ dead, many of which are unnecessary..it's not about being woke, seniors regardless of country are always forgotten
i already said enough about the travel restrictions in other thread...too slow to respond and now too slow to reopen
scandal after scandal..i know most countries are worse but that would be a cop-out excuse
and now we're just getting into the real extent of understanding the genocide
i'll continue honouring remembrance day but celebrating the birth of colonization always seemed fucked to me and the pandemic response is downright embarassing for all canadians..one of the lowest point in our collective history outside of wartime, convince me otherwise
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If one is to continue honouring remembrance day, the bottom line is, those soldiers were fighting for their country. Fighting under the ensign. Canada was founded by colonists, but everybody worked hard to make this country what it is. Immigrants who came to this country and struggled against all odds. To get that citizenship under the maple leaf. Proudly singing the national anthem. Olympians tearing up as the Canadian Flag is raised. Canada Centennial, Canada 150, Expo 86, Vancouver 2010, etc. I will celebrate this country no matter what, because "This is my home."
I think we need to take a break and stand back and be thankful for what we have here. It is a great country. Not perfect, of course. Shit like this happens around the world. No excuse, but to throw out the baby with the water............... anyway. It's like cancer, we need to deal with it before it destroys everything. I know what I'll be doing on July 1st.
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Native christian.......... there's the root of the problem.
christian belief of, "my way or the highway." I was told by a Born Again co-worker once, that jesus loves you and so do I. I want you to find god and let him into your heart. Let god save you., etc. etc. etc............
As a child, I was forced to memorize and recite the lord's prayer. Bible reading in class in the morning. This was in a public school, ffs. Don't know when it happened, but it changed. Could be because students at Strathcona Elementary were non-christian, or the school board finally separated church from state like it was meant to be. Still, as late as the 1980's school districts in the Bible Belt (Fraser Valley), in-class bible readings were mandatory.
It's all about control. Like unions. The first time I attended a union meeting, I was immediately turned off by the rules and being called a brother. I know who my brothers and sisters are and they aren't any of you guys, that's for sure.
Oh look, huron peoples were nearly wiped out. Masacres and atrocities by the iroquois........ nuff said.
I'm surprised it took till now for these catholic churches to be torched. Were the natives that much under the control of the church that they feared god and the priests?
Why would you continue to believe in that religion after what they did to your people?
Food for thought. Nothing more. Nothing less.
god bless
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Yeah, pull down a statue............... then some below average, nobody gets up on the platform as if he just won the Stanley Cup.
Oh, wait.......... we need to rename Lord Stanley's Cup. While we're at it, the game of hockey should not be allowed. Lacrosse, maybe. Don't drive cars, use running water, sewage system, cash, bitcoin, etc. No books, either. No written language. Tell history through stories............
Okay, this heat is getting to me......... this has nothing to do with the tragedy of the existence of residential schools. When people can't come up with real solutions by working through this tragedy, it always boils down to destruction. Destroying stuff is easier than building something positive. Out of the ashes comes not new growth, just more destruction.
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Churches are getting vandalized and burned because the church has done nothing.
This is how Reconciliation is done.
In 1846 there was a battle in India, Sikhs vs the British at the Sutlej river a historically significant river to the Sikhs. The British name a warship after it called the Sutlej. That ship is used to attack the Nuu-chah-nulth community of Ahousat on Vancouver Island. The only survivor is a toddler. They take her. A few years latter she dies. When Sikhs found out about this 150 plus years later You know what the community did? We held an event and donated 200k to the Ahousat first nation. I was lucky to be there.
Native groups should not have to start gofundme campaigns to guy ground penetrating radar. The roman catholic church a organization worth billions should at bare minimum fund the search for the bodies.
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The issue here is that when you lose your temper, it hinders your arguments.
Those on the other side will just use it to diminish your cause. Revenge doesn’t get you equity.
I don’t care about the churches. I truly don’t, but I do care that there are people, especially indigenous people who do take solace in a Sunday service that are now without a church to have that service. The chief of the penticton band expressed the pain many members of his band have experienced due to these actions.
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“There’s a lot of anger and hurt in our community, from the residential school survivors and elders,” Chief Gabriel said, stressing that any act of arson was unacceptable if it turned out that the fires were deliberate. “A lot of families, including my own, had events like funerals, marriages and baptisms in that church. Elders were attached to the church and some feel hurt by its loss.”
As with many of the BLM riots there are people who are undemocratically and unjustly taking it upon themselves to represent entire groups with actions that are not condoned by the movement.
I don’t have the solution. I’m just a middle class white guy and the last thing anyone needs me to do is make that decision. We’ve seen the results of that. But I am listening, and this is not representative of the majority of indigenous people who want a meaningful dialogue and solutions to their treatment as second class citizens.
Frankly I believe it’s the Canadian governments duty to hold themselves and the Catholic Church accountable. They can start by taxing churches, and taking care of clean drinking water and infrastructure. Cost was no object for the pandemic response, and clearly this will be a sliver of that money.
If they hurry up with meaningful solutions this will be a much less heated and destructive issue.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Manic, I'm going to put a spoiler out on that and a tag because that story is sickening.
I know why you are hiding it but it should not be. It should be posted on billboards all across the country. But hey at least the baby was not aborted.
Imagine if you walked into a room and saw someone raping one of your children. Would you pull out your phone and call the police or would you beat the shit out of them?
If someone in your family was killed and you found out who did it 30 years later would you want reconciliation or would you want the person in jail?
People seem to be more upset about the burning of buildings and the taking down of statues than the rape and murder of children.
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Churches are getting vandalized and burned because the church has done nothing.
This is how Reconciliation is done.
In 1846 there was a battle in India, Sikhs vs the British at the Sutlej river a historically significant river to the Sikhs. The British name a warship after it called the Sutlej. That ship is used to attack the Nuu-chah-nulth community of Ahousat on Vancouver Island. The only survivor is a toddler. They take her. A few years latter she dies. When Sikhs found out about this 150 plus years later You know what the community did? We held an event and donated 200k to the Ahousat first nation. I was lucky to be there.
Native groups should not have to start gofundme campaigns to guy ground penetrating radar. The roman catholic church a organization worth billions should at bare minimum fund the search for the bodies.
I wouldn't say the church has completely done nothing, I came across this article on fb. It's an old article from 2016.
"Media reports in recent weeks have accused the Catholic Church escaping its financial obligations toward the global residential schools settlement due to a legal error by a bureaucrat in the federal government. The federal minister of aboriginal affairs has lent support to this view in her public comments. So did the Church “weasel out” of its obligations? The answer is no, but it’s a complicated tale"
I know why you are hiding it but it should not be. It should be posted on billboards all across the country. But hey at least the baby was not aborted.
I get why you think it should be, but a lot of people would have a rough time reading that and it wouldn't have the effect you desire. Hell I shouldn't have read it myself.
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
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