Emissions based residential parking permit fee up to $1k a year

[StylinRed]

Been ages since I made a thread, sorry if it's posted somewhere already :P

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/06...rking-permits/

Vancouver considers charging up to $1,000 for parking permits for some new vehicles

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – Proposed changes aimed at reducing pollution in Vancouver could see some drivers forced to pay an annual climate change tax, on top of their insurance.

The city’s “Climate Emergency Parking Program” proposes Vancouverites who own a 2023 or newer “high-polluting” vehicle — described as a gas-powered luxury sports car, large SUV or full-size pickup truck — would be charged $1,000 per year to get a residential parking permit.

Owners of 2023 or newer vehicles deemed “moderately polluting” — gas-powered sporty sedans or higher efficiency small SUVS — would have to pay $500 for the same permit.

[StylinRed]

Oh noes it is posted already Bleh shoulda known

[trollface]

So is a TRD Carmy a sport sedan and a RS6 Avant not a sports sedan?

[Great68]

Brutal.

Really who this penalizes most is people who can't afford to have their own driveway to park in.

[JDMDreams]

Time to get a Bentayga hybrid, or a P1

[Qmx323]

Originally Posted by trollface

So is a TRD Carmy a sport sedan and a RS6 Avant not a sports sedan?

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...43303&id=43005

Based on this, my accord is at 344G/Mile, TRD Camry is 354G/Mile and an RS6 Avant is at 514G/Mile

So divide that by 1.6 to convert to g/km...

Accord 2.0T - 215g CO/KM
TRD Camry 221g CO/KM
RS6 Avant 321g CO/KM

So a TRD Camry/Accord 2.0T is a Tier 2 based on this chart, and the RS6 is Tier 3.

[trollface]

Originally Posted by Great68

Brutal.

Really who this penalizes most is people who can't afford to have their own driveway to park in.

And people who work in trades, then we turn around and moan and groan about how we have a trades shortage.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Great68

Brutal.

Really who this penalizes most is people who can't afford to have their own driveway to park in.

renters probably shouldn't be buying brand new guzzlers

few dollars a month is alright if property taxes werent like 7k and it's just a slippery slope to ask for more

i think this is acceptable if they give a detailed report of where they're spending the extra $60M, there better be more chargers and less bike lanes

[trollface]

This is the first of many to get back that Covid Cash we've been handing out. Just watch.

[yray]

everything in 2023 is going to be a plug in hybrid or mild hybrid... so what's the fucking point

[Euro7r]

My understanding from this is, this only applies to friggin City of Vancouver only. So literally you could be living on the border of Vancouver/Burnaby, just drive across the other side and park on Burnaby for free . This will affect renters, those on fixed income and those that are possessive of parking in front of their house (LIKE MY DAD LOL).

[DaJo]

If this goes through all our old (2022 or older) sportscars will go up in value as they're exempt from this ridiculous fee!

[Teriyaki]

Naice. So used car market stays propped up even more....

[mr00jimbo]

Relevant Simpsons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVo38a46zdc

[Traum]

If you focus on the ridiculous Tier 2 / Tier 3 permit fee, I'd say you have just gotten tricked by the devious CoV City Council. That Tier 2 / 3 stuff is only a strawman argument meant to divert your attention away from the real meat of the policy change -- the $45 per vehicle overnight parking permit fee.

The trick is a good one to attract eyeballs because of how ridiculous the amounts are, and it plays well with the full leftard agenda that the CoV City Council has always leaned. But realistically, if someone can afford a new ICE sports sedan, how likely are they going to park on the street? (If you don't park on the street, there is no need for the residential parking permit.) The bottom line is -- CoV is not going to collect a lot of money from those $500 or $1k permits.

Instead, the real deal that they are after is the $45 per vehicle permit fee that every car would have to pay if they park overnight on the street. Anyone who lives in East Van will know that most residential streets are fully lined with parked cars.

Here is some quick back-of-the-envelope math that I am running.

ICBC data says there are 270k passenger vehicles registered in CoV at the start of 2016. Assuming a 1% growth in vehicle numbers per year, that puts us at ~283k vehicles at the beginning of this year. If only 1/3 of these vehicles park on the street (and therefore require that $45 overnight parking permit), CoV is looking at a new revenue stream that will generate an additional $4M per year that requires minimal work on their part.

CoV has an annual budget of ~$1.6B, so a paltry $4M may not sound like much. But everyone knows that the CoV City Hall is brokea$$ poor, and has been trying to come up with new and creative ways to milk more money out of us to support its spendy habits.

[underscore]

Maybe I'm missing something here, how exactly do vehicles pollute while parked?

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by Traum

the $45 per vehicle overnight parking permit fee.

The trick is a good one to attract eyeballs because of how ridiculous the amounts are, and it plays well with the full leftard agenda that the CoV City Council has always leaned. But realistically, if someone can afford a new ICE sports sedan, how likely are they going to park on the street? (If you don't park on the street, there is no need for the residential parking permit.) The bottom line is -- CoV is not going to collect a lot of money from those $500 or $1k permits.

I'm wondering if this is also a passive way of dealing with the homeless issue in Vancouver cause you know #Vanlife

The city made the news when they tried to move out all the RV's and campers that were parked on Slocan beside the Italian Cultural center. Terminal ave under the bridge used to be a hot spot and so was Malkin ave at Strathcona Park to name a few.

[320icar]

Useless, but feel free to sign/spread the petition

https://www.change.org/p/vancouver-m...d-27da54c42176

And the city is putting out a survey, so feel free to tell them how you really feel

https://shapeyourcity.ca/parking

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

renters probably shouldn't be buying brand new guzzlers

few dollars a month is alright if property taxes werent like 7k and it's just a slippery slope to ask for more

i think this is acceptable if they give a detailed report of where they're spending the extra $60M, there better be more chargers and less bike lanes

You are leaving out some students from abroad that are renting with a nice car.

Either way, I'd imagine that if they really care about their car, they'd find a place with a garage or driveway anyway. I doubt they'd give a flying F to the fee itself, though.

If the fee is $1000 every year, I'd rather negotiate something with the landlord if there is a driveway. Even a bump of $50 per month means a $400 saving over this BS fee.

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[supafamous]

There's really two things happening here 1) Parking permits for $45 and 2) Pollution based permit surcharge.

The latter is kinda silly - this should be a provincial or federal level endeavour. If people buy cars that burn a lot of gas (or does a lot of damage to the environment) then charge for it at the prov/fed level. Managing pollution via parking (when there are alternatives like parking on private property) will do little to address pollution. Tax it at the pump, at purchase, or attach it to other operator fees like car insurance.

The former is something I'm a big fan of, there's no such thing as "free" parking - either taxpayers pay as a group out or individuals pay for it. Charging a $45 fee doesn't come close to getting individuals to pay their fair share. I'm surprised it's so little - it's so low that I suspect it'll barely cover operating and enforcement costs.

[JDMDreams]

^ but it is taxed at the pump + insurance. I recall Translink gets a cut. Why do I as a driver have to pay for something I get no benefit from. Public transit and bike lanes. While bikers pay nothing to hog the roads and not follow stop signs. We should get getting dedicated car lanes not bike lanes since we're the majority that's paying for everything.

[BlackV62K2]

Originally Posted by Traum

If you focus on the ridiculous Tier 2 / Tier 3 permit fee, I'd say you have just gotten tricked by the devious CoV City Council. That Tier 2 / 3 stuff is only a strawman argument meant to divert your attention away from the real meat of the policy change -- the $45 per vehicle overnight parking permit fee.

The trick is a good one to attract eyeballs because of how ridiculous the amounts are, and it plays well with the full leftard agenda that the CoV City Council has always leaned. But realistically, if someone can afford a new ICE sports sedan, how likely are they going to park on the street? (If you don't park on the street, there is no need for the residential parking permit.) The bottom line is -- CoV is not going to collect a lot of money from those $500 or $1k permits.

Instead, the real deal that they are after is the $45 per vehicle permit fee that every car would have to pay if they park overnight on the street. Anyone who lives in East Van will know that most residential streets are fully lined with parked cars.

Here is some quick back-of-the-envelope math that I am running.

ICBC data says there are 270k passenger vehicles registered in CoV at the start of 2016. Assuming a 1% growth in vehicle numbers per year, that puts us at ~283k vehicles at the beginning of this year. If only 1/3 of these vehicles park on the street (and therefore require that $45 overnight parking permit), CoV is looking at a new revenue stream that will generate an additional $4M per year that requires minimal work on their part.

CoV has an annual budget of ~$1.6B, so a paltry $4M may not sound like much. But everyone knows that the CoV City Hall is brokea$$ poor, and has been trying to come up with new and creative ways to milk more money out of us to support its spendy habits.

I mean, they need to figure out how to pay for all those hotels they are buying up to house people + give them a house warming gift basket of free drugs.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

^ but it is taxed at the pump + insurance. I recall Translink gets a cut. Why do I as a driver have to pay for something I get no benefit from. Public transit and bike lanes. While bikers pay nothing to hog the roads and not follow stop signs. We should get getting dedicated car lanes not bike lanes since we're the majority that's paying for everything.

Cars are MASSIVELY subsidized - as a car owner you don't pay anything close to the damage you do to the world. There's a number of studies that show that for every dollar you pay to run your car it costs the rest of us anywhere from $3-9 whereas things like walking and biking (and sometimes transit) have positive impacts (healthier cities, lower pollution, less resource intensive etc) (Source: https://thediscourse.ca/scarborough/full-cost-commute and https://www.rideshark.com/2017/03/13...ofyourcommute/)

As for paying for public transit and bike lanes you benefit in two ways: 1) Generalized benefit of cleaner environment and healthier citizens (lower health care costs, less accidents) 2) Less cars on the road so you can get around faster.

Because land was abundant in the early 1900's it was an easy con for automakers (and oil companies) to get govt to subsidize roads and parking. Nearly a third of all land is used for cars in the form of roads and parking, in the early days this was no big deal but in today's world (with a housing crisis caused by a lack of land) this is completely insane. Fun Fact: It was automakers who lobbied to make jaywalking illegal - jaywalking didn't even exist before cars. The downstream impact of making jaywalking a crime (combined with discriminatory policing) is that more minorities are in jail. Fun!

There is ZERO chance you'll ever be able to pay the actual costs of what operating a car costs the rest of us but at the very least we should try to recapture some of that and a parking permit is a trivial charge.

[trollface]

That's nice and all but biking and walking are not exactly practical for many aspects of life. These studies always make it sound like alternatives have zero impact.

No one ever puts a dollar figure to not getting smoked by a G wagon on your 5k road bike that will get stolen in the next ten mins and cops will have to run around Hastings looking for scraps. My buddy was riding a bike literally 4 weeks ago, driver couldn't see him in the sun/trees/glare and cut him off. This was a low-speed impact and will prob affect him for the rest of his life. Who wants to put a dollar figure to this?

Everything we do has a huge impact on the world, but I'm not going to set myself on fire to keep others warm if you catch my drift. Here is novel idea, why don't they take the tax we pay over and over and over again on USED PRIVATE SALE CARS. The Miata that had tax paid on it 4-5 times on more charging stations. Where does that money go?

[CivicBlues]

The $45/year parking fee for all is not a huge issue. But it's a slippery slope: what's to prevent a future city council raising the price to $400/year if they so deem their budget to require it...sorry I mean if "the climate emergency necessitates it"?

Well, that's what they did to the WestEnd residents who are now buying in to the parking permit program