Saw you grey box yesterday, it's not that shitty lol, lots of hp on the windshield and on the side :lol

In the same vein as my post in the good buys thread about the corolla as most of you know I have a deposit on an Integra Type-S, I got called saying they had a grey one with red interior for me but it’s got $15,000 in extras so they want $70,000 plus tax for it.

I said no sorry I’ll pass I can get way better cars than an Integra for that kind of money… sales guy called back again and asked if I’d be interested at $5,000 in add ons instead of $15,000 he’d try to swing less add-ons and I said you know what I think I’m good I’m not a fanboy, I’ll wait until they’re msrp and he said he’d give me a call when they’re willing to do that.

Also they sent me pics of the interior maybe it’s just me but the red interior is kinda fugly the shade of red looks too lipstick and having the front seats being half-half doesn’t match up well it’s like 2 separate interior packages thrown together to me

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Yeah that looks kinda weird, doesn't look cohesive front to back. Odd design choice.

id honestly go for the CTR. why pay 8k above the CTR for something thats built by hicks in USA instead of takumi craftsmen in Japan? :suspicious:

I seem to recall Doug from Hondata saying that the ITS has a smidge more hardware and ECU tuning potential than the CTR. It's interesting because I (and probably most people) were expecting the drivetrain-related components to be the same.

Of course, it still wouldn't be enough for me to pick the ITS over the CTR.

mind to share which dealership it is ?

You don’t need another one you bastard !

I think the crazy part is that all the 25 - 35 peeps mortgages in the last 3 years are around $2 - 2.6K for a 1BR and 2.6 - 4k for a 2BR a month.

Can't imagine how your outcome will outpace that, but will report back in 10 years lol.

While we're way off topic: you have a Veloster N?! How do you like it? :D

Way to vote with your wallet! :thumbsup:

I dont own one, but driven enough Veloster, Elantra and Kona N to tell you... bang for buck for an "experience", there is no comparison, it is not the fastest/most tidy thing, but the most fun at the price point for keeping a car stock with a warranty? There is nth else (at least of what I've driven) that comes close....

I was going to get a 2nd S2000 as a daily, ended up trying the Veloster N because I heard it was good. I'd say the fun per dollar is pretty close to a S2000 but more practical, reliable, warranty and low cost of ownership. Probably most fun to drive econ box / non full sports car you can buy for under $60-70K.

Edit: Exactly what Dark said.


I'm looking for a S2K replacement and it seems like there's nothing sub $100K that would do 2x the fun for 2x the price. Maybe a GT4/Spyder/GTS? Idk, gotta test drive.

I have to say that when it comes to Porsche, I really agree. More than anything else, it's so necessary to drive it to understand it. I've had the good fortune to have friends give me seat time in their Cayman GTS, 911 Carrera T, and 911 GT3. and each one of them has left me with a very distinct impression that doesn't capture into numbers.

To me - and especially with the 911s - what the spec sheets and even the reviews couldn't capture is the feeling of consistency and perfection, down to the details. Take for example, the action of the shift lever slotting into each gear position: it is precisely the same tactile response into every gear. By contrast, the S2000's mechanical action is right up there, but there isn't that deliberate sense of consistency. Then there's the steering, the throttle, the pedal, yes even the pedal experience is precisely tuned and concise and perfectly weighted, through its entire travel. Even the action of adjusting the HVAC vents. In every other car, they "just get it done". "Oh there's a dead spot". Oh there is a weird torque dip". "Oh there was a thunk this time but not last time, and only turning at 50 kph over a medium-sized cambered bump.": you never get that sense in a Porsche: they didn't "just get it done".

And you could get a lot of this by just sitting in one, but it seems until you combine all those feelings of consistency and responsiveness with driving time where you experience all the interactive perfection in combination with that same consistency and responsiveness from the chassis and the motor singing up the revs, solidly putting Gs into curves, it doesn't finally click that holy shit, this all adds up to so much more than it should.

Driving a Porsche encourages you to savor the details. Too often we're just trying to get 'er done. There is another dimension for us to live, and it's not about how quickly we got from there to here, but how, and how joyfully we did it.

All that perfection and they can't get ims or figure out bore score :troll::troll::joy: but yea what are the gotchas on the newer ones? More than I can afford anyways vw beetle :lawl:

Experiential perfection as presented to the driver. I didn't say anything about how well they do things behind the scenes and how that affects the overall ownership experience.

And more than I can afford either :).

a lot of that "perfection" is due to some strong-ass personal biases and global circle jerking over Porsche products. i don't find them anything special, especially the newer ones that are extremely priced and pretty much have the same new car experience as pretty much anything else out there.

Take a 718 vs GR86 and a lot of reviews lean towards the GR's driving experience as the boxster is now too refined for its own good.

Same with any 911 past the 997.2... just overbloated GT cars until you hit the GT3RS/GT3's. I really really dont get the porsche tax, ive tried to like them but i just dont get it. The only porsches i like are the wack ass ones like the 964, and the 944 or just go aircooled and prepare to die if you ever lift mid corner.

I just saw an ad for a Hyundai Elantra N ...

Never expected a Hyundai to be that fun

I thought P cars only come to life with you really hammer on them, otherwise they are pretty comparable to stuff for much less money. It's when you take them to the edge is where they really shine, somewhere most ppl won't go to for obvs reasons.

Those bastards can hammer out of corners like you won't believe.

I see some Elantra? Forte? With like some muffler delete and the pops sound not bad:notbad:

I haven't driven the gen 2 GR86 but comparing gen 1 vs a Cayman on track, the Cayman was so much more predictable and enjoyable at 8/10ths and up. The whole package of that Cayman made me feel like such a good driver and instilled so much confidence in me. The car kept on going "Trust me bro, we got this corner, we can go faster"

On the road, I agree that it's not THAT different than a lot of products in a similar price range. You'd have to be doing very illegal speeds to really get much out of a Porsche which is the problem.

Hmm a Elantra n Mt is about $45000 after tax how the hell is the type s $80k :suspicious: :fulloffuck:

Cuz the Elantra has trouble selling for $34,000 not even 1 year old (quoting a blue 2023 with 38,000kms that's been on FB marketplace for a month unsold at $34,000) and the Type-S will still be its purchased price a couple years later.

Oh, also the Elantra is incredibly ugly.

The facelift corrects (some of) the ugliness. I think the Elantra is decent but its intended audience either went for the Veloster N, Civic Si, or Kona N

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