Whatever happened to the Kia Stinger, i recall it getting some attention when they first came out with it. I think it had the sportback tailgate copycat of Audi A5/A7, that looked a lot better than this Elantra N ..

That does look significantly better... altho I wish they kept the 2023 wheels instead of these Alfa Romeo wanna-be ones.

Kia dealers fucked it over - they treated it like it was a GT3 RS, wouldn't give test drives without credit check, etc. I went to look at one and never even sat in one because the dealer experience was so shit.

I thought demand for the Stinger cooled down before it reached its facelift - I had no problems checking one out in 2021 and they were readily available at all dealers. Ultimately I couldn't rationalize its price tag relative to a new A5 or slightly used S4 /S5. Eventually, I picked up my EV from the same dealership and the F&I experience was a shitfest.

I just watched the reviews, kona n is pretty interesting but it's more money, dct only, no sun roof no cool bucket seats like the Elantra and fwd only. Like a baby fwd golf r :troll:

I went on the site and Veloster doesn't exist anymore and the later versions I actually don't like, it didn't look as cool as the original one. The front end looks too generic.

I think they got greedy, I was interested in the stinger when it first came out but it was like $60k after tax and I sure as hell ain't paying that much for a Korean car, same with the g90 I see them for $110k. If I was spending that much I won't buy Genesis. I still don't think they have the reliability or brand recognition and definitely not resell to ask for that much.

The Korean cars (Hyundai and Kia) change their styling so drastically from each generation. Just look at the existing Santa Fe and compare it to the upcoming model.

You know, I never understood why they did that. (IMO) a part of the reason why Honda and Toyota were so successful with their cars is because they build familiarity and loyalty with each successful generation. Same thing with VW (Golf) and Porsche (911). But with Hyundai / Kia, I feel like they are making the consumer take a gamble each time because each generation of the car, or their product offering in a certain segment has no continuity with the previous generation(s).

If I don't even know what I am getting into, how can I have enough confidence to put big money down for it?

Yeah so much this! I've had my s2k 15 years, and while I do ok at the track (typically high 1:40's at Laguna Seca), I still feel nervous at every turn: it is essentially an act of faith based on pure practiced muscle memory. It doesn't feel like I will make it but my mind overrides me that logically I know I will, plus margin on top.

But with each of those Porsches, by the time I'd had half an hour in each, I already felt so confident that I was feeling that same thing Roast is talking about: "bro we can go faster! trust me!" turn after turn. That planted, communicative feeling was so inspiring.

I think the stinger was like a $51 - 64K out the door car. Nobody is spending that on a Kia. You buy the N's for driving experience, not so much look. There's nothing really anything in its price segment and I'm happy that it's there. Maybe a $30K Cayman would be better? But no warranty / probably costs more than $12 - 15K to run for 6 years.

Are local dealers selling at msrp? wonder what the wait time is on one

Well they doubled down on that bullshit and made the gensis. Who’s gonna spend 100k+ on a Korean Bentley ?

^ Littledragon :troll:

Brings back memories of last year's Stock & Noob meet when he was sitting in the parking lot and you called out his car lol

kinda like the Yaris incident this year

A friend was offered a GR Corolla at MSRP subject to trade so I can't see these being far off.

Subject to trade is how they ding you though, they undervalue your trade by 5-10k so it's all a wash of having 10k surcharge.

Yah me and my buddy both had deposits on the GR Corolla and we both refunded them at the same time... but only he got a call back the other day because he was listing a 2022 Subaru BRZ as a trade-in... that must have had them salivating something fierce lol

My friend never placed a deposit so he was surprised to be offered one this soon (he bought a Supra from them previously). It's half a step better than requiring a lowball trade with mandated accessories though.

Hmm if I had a J29 Supra with the I6, not sure I would want a GR Corolla...

I was thinking of trading in the golf R for a type S but if they are going to tack on “mandatory” addons and packages then I’d rather just keep my car.

If you are thinking of trading in your Golf R, you should sell it to Trollface for $10k instead! EleGiggle

Was marked up $1 - 5K for a bit. The US has the best mark-up the VN went for $34 - 40K USD which is close to $50K CAD, we can't import it down south though.

But the 2022 VN qualifies for the 15 year ICBC collector's plate, there's < 1,500 worldwide production for 2022 MY according to Hyundai.

The KDM genesis + Stinger are 10x nicer, I'd buy it if it was the same interior as the leather you get over there. They're also priced 20-30% less in Korea which is cool. The Kia Carnival taxis are nicer than a Toyota Alphard too.

Oh I was talking f about markup on type S

https://i.postimg.cc/1Rk5YGQz/IMG-7559.jpg

I went to A&W this morning and saw this type S. in person it’s not “different” vs the standard integra. Quite stealth. The extra large wheel hunches aren’t that noticeable.

I’m wondering if this is trollface’s new ride since he frequents the seafair area.