are gran coupes popular outside of vancouver, model Y's aside?

The Integra was always a four-door sedan or coupe with a "hatch".

If they wanted to make a true two-door FF coupe (that no one wants), it wouldn't be difficult since the 11th-gen Civic is still using the 10th-gen platform, which had the short-lived coupe.

3300 lbs would be a porker! I think the 10th gen Civic hatch (FK7) is only around 3000 lbs, while FK8 only around 3100-ish lbs. If the revived Integra gains that much weight over the Civics, they are gonna be a major disappointment.

IMO, even the FK7 is too big for an Integra (and it is also too big for a Civic, but I digress...). If that camouflaged monstrosity is really an Integra test mule, I am gonna be so sad... :okay:

CTR is 3100lbs according to Honda and SH-AWD adds 210lbs on the TLX so that's 3300lbs there. Add in some sound deadening and luxury features and we're at 3400lbs. An Audi S3 is 3440lbs and an AMG CLA35 is 3500lbs so that sounds about right.

This probably means though that Acura needs to use the CTR 2.0T instead of the TLX 2.0T to be competitive with the S3/CLA35 or it's going to be another sad trombone like the TLX Type-S.

Size wise I'm not sure shrinking it down from a CTR (180in) down to something more "Integra-like" would even save that much weight - maybe you save 100lbs but you end up making it too small to generate enough sales.

Supafamous, I see where your math is coming from, and 3300+ lbs would really, really be a sad thing to see. Ugh... FailFish

Sad to see all the modern cars being such porkers...

To be fair though, the 1G TSX tipped the scales at around 3200lbs and I'd say there's good odds that the new Integra is similar in size so adding SH-AWD, more luxuries, 70-100hp etc and gaining 200lbs isn't bad. I bet the base trim with the 1.5T/FWD actually weighs in under 3200lbs and will be a much better car than the 1G TSX. Of course what the enthusiasts want is a new Integra and not a new TSX but I don't think that car is going to sell enough.

FWIW, the RSX tipped the scales at around 2800-2900lbs, the most recent Civic coupe was around the same and if Acura goes down to that size they would probably be around 3200lbs with SH-AWD.

too hard to get it below 3100 these days without sacrificing space/size

wishing renault nissan brings back the Silvia using the A110 chassis :sweetjesus:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/roa.h-cd...-alpine-05.jpg

In an attempt not to derail the thread topic, I'd be curious to see if privateer teams would even adopt the current TLX-S or the proposed Integra as part of the IMSA race series. Historic teams such as Team Penske have done well with Acura but seemed to have only adopted the NSX for the current race program.

Meanwhile in China, The Integra is a Chinese spec version of the Honda Civic

https://www-carscoops-com.cdn.amppro...c-for-china%2F

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...etta-compared/

If the new Integra is based on the 11G Civic I think it'll be a nice car. The Civic Touring just gave a beat down to the compact sedan market in this C/D comparo. I hope the Si version is is a modern day TSX.

I'm not in the market but the new Civic sure seems like a really, really nice little car - sharp styling, nice interior, solid performance, lots of room, handles well. The hatch is probably a better answer than the GTI now for the question of "If you could only have one car to do everything".

^^ man but the civic design has been so ugly for years. Even the Corolla looks better

8G to 10G Civics weren't exactly pretty cars - if the 10G weren't so ugly I might happen to own one right now - but the 11G looks sharp to me. Conservative yes but the lines are crisp and some of the colours look great on it (morning mist in particular). I imagine the Si and Type R will be appropriately more sporty looking.

OTOH, the current Corolla seems like a drag queen with too much make up on IMO.

I'll reserve actual judgement for real life... and I'm usually a sucker for grey-blues or light blues... but morning mist look straight up granny spec to me online hahaha

https://www.civic11forum.com/cdn-cgi...aint-jpg.1211/

It kinda looks like that baby blue that was available on 95 accords

tbh that front grille in some colors looks like cleft lip to me

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1632332750.jpg

I think the rear 3/4 view is the best look for both the styling and colour. The front does have a bit of a cleft lip going on but way better than the 10G with the chrome version.

The wheel gap is small for OEM - I'm not sure I would bother lowering it. Guess I'd have to see what kind of wheels I'd fit on it but I think the wheels look fine as well.

My grand auntie (Aged 70+ at the time), owned an 94/95 Accord EX-R in that blue mist colour back in the day, so yes, 100% agreed it's granny spec lol

According to Autotrader.ca, the 2022 Civic hatch with the 2.0L NA engine (as LX trim) is gonna be sold for $28k. The Sport trim with the 1.5T engine will ask for $31.5k, and then there is the top Sport Touring trim at $35k:

https://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatur...ale-october-1/

First of all, those prices really seem rather pricey, even when I'm taking its level of standard equipment into account. Extrapolating those prices to the Integra, it is only going to mean the Integra will cost even more. Ugh...

Can't say the same about the interior of the Corolla. The new Civic is miles ahead in terms of interior.

As for the exterior, it is subjective.

If we're talking interior, the top of class award would really go to the Mazda3. Unfortunately, people just don't like Mazdas nearly as much, even when their offerings are super solid, and their used prices tend to be more reasonable. The solid rear axle on the current gen Mazda3 takes a bit of fun and handling away from the equation, and the car really doesn't drive as well as the Civic now, but it is still a huge value if you ask me.

I dunno about now but I thought Mazda moved really up market with their prices, the 2.5t is like $40k? I remember last gen Mazda 3 you can get a pretty loaded one for like $28k

The cheapest Mazda3 with the 2.5T engine comes in at $35k, and is AWD as well. So you are basically correct that the OTD price is gonna be ~$40k, but since we are talking about the MSRP only for the 2022 Civic, we'd have to stick to using the $35k number for the Civic as well.

In comparison the 2022 GTI starts at 31.5k and goes to 39k - I figure the Integra is going to have pricing similar to the GTI depending on the spec.

But yeah, the Civic hatch sure gets expensive at the top end.

The transformers last gen was already 32k for the top touring trim. I didn't think they were going to make it any cheaper.

The Civic Hatch pricing is crazy, $35k for the Sport Touring vs $30,265 on the sedan. ($4,375 difference)

But this tells me the Integra should start around $32k. A bit more than the ILX with the top trim probably an A-spec around $45k. Acura has enough money to make the Integra pretty nice but it will have the hard points of the current civic.