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That shifting through the gears (and generations) video is a perfect example of great concept / horrible execution.
The concept of the ad is really quite brilliant -- 5 generations of Integra; 5 passes through the rev range in each successive generation.
Unfortunately, what the ad agency didn't realize was -- only the first 3 gens sounded like the angry hive of bees that old skool Honda fans have come to know and love. By the time we shifted into 4th gear / 4th gen, something was starting to go amiss. And then by the time we hit 5th gear / 5th gen, it sounds exactly like the total disappointment that it will probably be -- fantastic on paper specs, massive letdown in real life...
The problem is with some N.Americans believing the RSX isn't an Integra when it absolutely is. In Japan, the RSX has always been branded as the Honda Integra.
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Seems wrong to see RSX-S on the floor mats when this is a Integra. I understand why but that car is not quite a Integra for many people.
I met someone who participated in a focus group for one of these - they were asked if they wanted to buy one of these for 33.5K. Base engine is the Si engine, 2.0T wasn't mentioned.
Anyone curious if they might develop a DCT over CVT in the Type S to match its competitors? If it does, I might pull the trigger. As much as I want to go manual (and is the rightful experience), I've got a bad left leg and have always had a soft spot for Honda. From what I heard the ILX DCT was alright.
I'm not sure? As I've always thought they just exploded after 100k km. As aren't clutches wear items and I've never heard of anyone rebuilding them locally. Same with cvts if you want something reliable, I doubt they will last over 200k Kms like traditional 5 or 6 speed boxes.
Not sure if I'm reading the room right, but seems to be a little more negativity about the car than I expected.
I for one, am excited they're bringing back the Integra and am not surprised one bit it'll be a badge-engineered Civic. In this day and age, everything is on the same "car platform" anyways and engineers just pick and choose what they want from the parts-bin and add some style. I'm not super well versed in Integra history but weren't the previous gens basically civic based anyways? And with how well the new civic hatchback is being reviewed, seems like a great base to start it with.
Anyhow, just hope it doesn't turn into something like that old ILX with little styling, little power, and too much sticker price.
As someone who's had 2 dc2s and friends with older gen, sedans, they are nothing like civics. Civics never got b18s. They only got watered down engines at least in north America
Hm, so a part of what made the Integra feel more special was because they limited the engine choices in the civic and made them exclusive to the Integra. Got it. So safe to assume we'd be happier if they didn't sell the 11th gen Civic with the turbos or higher HP engines, and made us jump through hoops and pay the Acura premium for them? We're spoiled for choice in todays world eh.
I don't think that's what he meant, while the 1.5T works well in the civic we would like to see something more than the 1.5. Maybe the 2L from the RDX would be nice.
The Integra and civic were always closely related but they never really shared the same shell. This Integra looks to be the same as the civic with some new sheet metal. Kinda like the CSX, I don't think it's wrong but once again hoping for more.
Does this mean there’s a return to the ages of Integra parts upgrades on pedestrian Civics again? Thicker sway bars, seat swaps, front-end conversions etc. Unfortunately, the Civic is already so well-equipped nowadays, I don’t see how more premium an Integra can get in its class.
Maybe a reverse mod until a real ITR returns; Integra with CTR engine swaps and chassis upgrades
I was thinking about this, back when we last had Integras not RSX, there was a huge power difference pre 2000. Civics had d series that made like 100hp, base Integra with b18 made 140, gsr 170 and type r was double at 200. Even early 2000s civics made like 120 130 if you got the VTEC el. RSX base was like 160 and type s was 200. Then things got watered down when you had the civic si/ CSX with the k20 that was shared with the RSX.
It's worth bearing in mind that the K20-powered 8th gen Civic Si didn't arrive until the 2nd half of 2005. By that time, I'm sure that Honda has already internally decided to phase out the RSX, so the period when the the K20 Civic Si and the RSX-S overlapped wasn't really that long. And on paper, the RSX-S was still something like 7 or 8hp more than the CSi.
But yeah, for the most part, the Integra had the far more powerful engine over their Civic cousins, which is why the car was much favoured over the Civic. With this 5th gen Integra, however, it doesn't seem like that'll happen. We are only expecting the Civic Si engine in the base Integra, and the CTR engine in the Integra Type S. IMO, Honda really needs to do more to differentiate the Integra from the Civic, and the most sensible route would be to add 1 or 2 electric motors to the rear wheels to make it an AWD mild hybrid.
The first 4 generation of integras (include RSX for North America) are pure engine sounds. Now don't all the new civic and CTR have "fake" engine sound in the interior? So the sound we hear in this ad is probably engineered sound vs the true engine sound?
The first 4 generation of integras (include RSX for North America) are pure engine sounds. Now don't all the new civic and CTR have "fake" engine sound in the interior? So the sound we hear in this ad is probably engineered sound vs the true engine sound?
I think there's two types of fake engine sounds - the type that is piped in from the engine bay where presumably there's some filtering done and the type that is fully fake and generated by the audio system.
I think the Civic is doing the former which is what even the Miata does. My RDX does the fully fake sounds which I mostly dislike - they've cranked the volume up too much.
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Thicker sway bars, seat swaps, front-end conversions etc. Unfortunately, the Civic is already so well-equipped nowadays, I don’t see how more premium an Integra can get in its class. 
