I think there's two types of fake engine sounds - the type that is piped in from the engine bay where presumably there's some filtering done and the type that is fully fake and generated by the audio system.

I think the Civic is doing the former which is what even the Miata does. My RDX does the fully fake sounds which I mostly dislike - they've cranked the volume up too much.

i cant hear the difference with or without sound tube in the miata, pretty stupid because in a convertible road noise is going to drown it out

and who cares about a mass-produced 4 popper lol

Honda released the new info on the 11th Gen Civic is

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.am...ew-928x522.jpg

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.am...ew-928x522.jpg

They kept the power low at 200hp and torque is at 192. The Integra would share all of these features including the 6-speed and LSD but I would assume it would have a tad more power at like 220 or so. The 1.5 is capable of making more we saw this in the 10th gen and for 11th gen the engine has been reworked so it's only natural.

Don't forget that makes power a lot sooner now.

Too bad it's ugly.

200hp just not enough for today's civic. Every year the civic gets heavier and bigger yet power is from 20 yrs ago. If the CTR is at 306hp, this civic should be around 240-260hp. Plus its turbo so it wouldn't be hard for Honda engineers to do that. Not like its a N/A engine.

^^ it's enough power according to Subaru :troll:

A couple of thoughts after looking through the paper specs of the 11th gen Civic Si:

- The car looks bland and I really don't like that gloss black trunk spoiler. The regular trunk from the Civic sedan already looks upscale from bearing a lot of resemblance to some versions of the Audi A4, but the trunk spoiler really ruined it.

- This pic alone shows you how much of a porker the Civic has become over time. FailFish
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1634579634.jpg

- Releasing it only as a sedan is a calculated move to ensure that those who wanted a sporty hatch would have to flock to the Integra.

- That 200hp number looks really bad on paper. My first thought was, the 8th gen CSi had that much from the K20, and that engine was soooo much fun to drive.

- In practice, the hp / tq numbers will be more than enough for everyday use, even for highway overtaking or climbing the Coquihalla as long as you are willing to stomp on that go fast pedal.

- Why would anyone do something this dumb? FailFish
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1634579640.jpg

- Having auto rev-matching and the ability to defeat it is awesome. Every modern manual car should offer this.

- Larger brakes than the standard Civic is good. But how much bigger is bigger?

I assume the car has dual exhaust and the loop is to create an equal length for sound/resonance/equal pressure. Unlike the FRS which has one center muffler in the middle, it looks like there isn't any room so they're running two smaller muffers. Right side gets a loop cuz the left side has a shorter run.

If they were unequal one side would get the majority of the gases (back pressure yada yada) and they would need a larger muffler which they may or may not have room for due to the spare/suspension/ride height.

That's what I think but I'm a fucking idiot and inventor of the DVD rewinder.

That exhaust must be inspired by the Mugen twin-loop. But it will be easy for the aftermarket to claim weight-savings now with all that steel.

The Si has been a coupe/sedan for generations.

It’s nice that they trickled down suspension and transmission parts from the CTR.

Some people pointed out the change from adaptive dampers to “tuned” dampers, which is a downgrade.

The twin loop actually loops back into the muffler though. This must be a space constraint and they have to make sure both get equal pressure to keep the noise down.

I get such an empty feeling deep in my soul just looking at this car.

I'm sure it drives nice though :)

The loop is designed to "throw the exhaust around" helping with the exhaust note.

Says so in their press materials

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/u8gAA...Mkz/s-l300.png

man, they got rid of the HDMI port

i dont love it but i dont hate it.
I stil feel like the design and the tech advanced so drastically from the 9th gen to 10th gen. Anything after the 10th gen its just not gonna be as big of a wow factor.

who cares about hp when it'll be faster and apparently better throttle response?

jury still out on the revhangs tho :lol

I think it'll be a tad faster than previous gen but is it fast enough for the price? The GR86 is basically the same price with more power and a platform that works. Yes the SI is a 4-door and has more space but so does the GLI and that looks the same and also has more power.

I think they toned down the SI simply because of the Integra. The Integra will have to be better, faster and more luxurious than the Civic but at what cost.

https://jalopnik.com/the-2022-honda-...-fo-1847881587

Rev hang is still there according to Jalopnik's review of the 2022 hatchback. I don't think there's a lot they can do about this as it's about managing emissions (granted the amount of rev hang varies by engine).

Re: only 200hp for the last bajillion years. While the Integra is probably a reason not to put the 2.0T in I suspect it's just too much motor for what the Si has represented which is a slightly jazzed up Civic. If the Accord's 2.0T can do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds (what a sleeper) what does the Si do with that same motor? Way too close for comfort to the CTR and not in line with what the Si is and has been.

And there's no engine in the line up that offers a nicer balance - 220-230hp isn't available unless they detune the K20C4 and Honda probably doesn't want to do it due to low volume.

The 10Si is a pretty rare car around here because it only came as sedan and coupe (everyone wanted a hatch) and it just isn't that much better than the Touring for most people.

I think the 11Si is still going to be a rare car because it just doesn't do enough to differentiate itself.

About the 2.0t, it won't happen because it would make the car hit WRX level prices which is more than what Honda wants.

Haven't driven the 10Si, but the rev hang on the 9Si was atrocious. It was so bad that I refuse to buy one and my friend sold his in 6 months for an STI.

The 8Si also has it, but nowhere nearly as bad as the 9Si.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that someone considering this 11th gen Civic Si would also cross shop the GR86 though. GLI / GTI / WRX -- yes, those would be comparable vehicles to consider. And really, each of them has their own appeal and shortcomings.

From the press materials

I'm just thinking, people that are buying sporty vehicles may cross shop with the gr86. Yes I get it's a lot smaller but it's in-line with the SI's performance

I had an 8th gen Si and I got rid of the rev hang with Hondata. It was night and day difference (think RSX-S)

https://www.acura.ca/en/future-vehicles/integra

livestream of the Acura premiere on November 11th at 5:35pm PST.

Where is it?

Livestream on Youtube